Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

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Booyah!!

Hello world!!!

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Disclaimer: This is a reads list, the mod did not edit any of this post.

{gerryoat}

{drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald, Indigo}

{BigYoshiFan, Jaack}

{ironstove, kuror0, Ramcius}

{LemonTree, PeregrineV, Pine}

{Manuel87}

{Alisae}

{ConManMick, PenguinPower}

{Pepchoninga}

Since I feel nice I'll explain my reads in the next post so I have something to go off of, when I self-ISO and so you guys thoroughly understand my thought process.

I feel like I've been hung out to dry between two trees.

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Two strongest scumreads are Gamma and Pepcho.

Vote: Gamma Emerald

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Disclaimer: This is a reads list, the mod did not edit any of this post.

{gerryoat}

{drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald, Indigo}

{BigYoshiFan, Jaack}

{ironstove, kuror0, Ramcius}

{LemonTree, PeregrineV, Pine}

{Manuel87}

{Alisae}

{ConManMick, PenguinPower}

{Pepchoninga}

Since I feel nice I'll explain my reads in the next post so I have something to go off of, when I self-ISO and so you guys thoroughly understand my thought process.

I feel like I've been hung out to dry between two trees.

Any reason you choose the vanity vote tho?

Quoting the first vote count when you make your first post talking about how you forgot about this game.

don;t like it.

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TR= town read

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That's getting boring. I'll stop at Page 10.

drealmerz7
Ramcius
Gamma Emerald
ConManMick

If you're not there and you posted between page 1 to 10, your posting is fine.

EBWOP

Perhaps a vote on Gamma to go with it.

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Two strongest scumreads are Gamma and Pepcho.

Vote: Gamma Emerald

Adding ironstove and slightly Mick

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This is where i am at right now.
Scum:
gerryoat, Gamma Emerald, Pepchoninga

Let me break down why manuel might be scum

1.) his first scumread is me, and I was a polerazing slot this so far because of the fact i drew a lot of attention from the fake shot thing (that wasnt even my idea lol). I think he saw this as an opportunity to out a safe SR on me. Since there was just a recent spotlight on me, i'm a safe first scumread.

2.) His second scumread is Gamma, who hasnt talked in 2 days I believe. This is another safe scumread because not only is he not here to defend himself, but he can just say he thought that gamma is lurking right now. Since this is a the lurker, it makes it a good middle scumread.

3.) His third scumread is Pep. Who is looking more and more like lynchbait. If you see the amount of pressure and votes that have been piling up on pep, I think that he thought this was a safe last scumread just to throw in at the end, because since others scumread him, he won't be questioned much on it.

All in all, i think these scumreads are artificially and carefully crafted as scum.

VOTE: Manuel

pedit: fixed quote origin

someone tell me if they agree or not and why

dont ignore

Aside from you, I dislike the same people as scummy.
2. Seems a justification, because most of Gamma's stuff so far has been fluff, or even fluffernutter.
3. Lynchbait would seem to indicate a pattern of behavior, not just behavior in a single game. You would have to prove the allegation of lynchbait in order for me to accept it as being applied to Pep. To me, it seems like much of his play is justifying why he looks scummy (playstyle) when me makes scummy posts.

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All in all, i think these scumreads are artificially and carefully crafted as scum.

He really only gave a case on you, so not sure how/why you are claiming they are carefully crafted, and why they are artificial.

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The only thing I think is shitty is his TR on Pere. To me it just feels baseless and low effort.

I think it indicates a greater intelligence and awareness.

Seriously, it's the little things that add up to the reads, and I've gone with single posts before to decide how I feel about a player.

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i'm ok with the mick wagon i guess. but i think manuel is more scummy. mick was drunk when he made those awful posts so it makes me wanna give him the benefit of the doubt

So you asked me for my scumread on you.
I gave my reasoning and have yet to see anyone that is defending you to argue about the points i made.
The best i got so far is " I think there is a decent amount of reaching in his case on gerry"
But that statement is just a way to devalue my points without arguing about them.

2.) His second scumread is Gamma, who hasnt talked in 2 days I believe. This is another safe scumread because not only is he not here to defend himself, but he can just say he thought that gamma is lurking right now. Since this is a the lurker, it makes it a good middle scumread.

3.) His third scumread is Pep. Who is looking more and more like lynchbait. If you see the amount of pressure and votes that have been piling up on pep, I think that he thought this was a safe last scumread just to throw in at the end, because since others scumread him, he won't be questioned much on it.

I have played 2 games with town!Gamma and in neither he was inactive. That can be because of RL so i wouldnt read him scum for that alone but on top of that the only posts he made when he was active were mostly unhelpful spam. For somebody with 52 posts thats quite an achievment. And i dont remember Gamma going that hard into unhelpful spam. In our last game together he even suggested replacing out because of the earlygame spam.

Pep tried to throw shade at me and i called him out for it so tell me how exactly i was using the arguments others made for my scumread? You say he is looking more and more like lynchbait. Doesnt that imply that you yourself think he is scummy? How do you come to the conclusion that he is lynchbait?

Btw you are trying way to hard to tell everyone that you are town. What is the reason to mention that every time you get a chance?

My primary reason for not scumreading gerry at this point is we just finished Wordplay Mafia, where he was town and had similar posting style.

Went back to check- here is his iso-

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=68819&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=28282&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go

In both games he goes to figure out Transcend's alignment. Turns out he was scum last game, and gerry called it, but otherwise he appears to be scumhunting in both this game and Wordplay.

Since this is day1, and I feel gerry can contribute more and better in future days, I have a townread on him for now, and am pretty much against his lynch. The person most likely to move me from that read today would be gerry.

I would like to hear about your Pepo scumread, and your drealmerz townread.

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i'm ok with the mick wagon i guess. but i think manuel is more scummy. mick was drunk when he made those awful posts so it makes me wanna give him the benefit of the doubt

So you asked me for my scumread on you.
I gave my reasoning and have yet to see anyone that is defending you to argue about the points i made.
The best i got so far is " I think there is a decent amount of reaching in his case on gerry"
But that statement is just a way to devalue my points without arguing about them.

2.) His second scumread is Gamma, who hasnt talked in 2 days I believe. This is another safe scumread because not only is he not here to defend himself, but he can just say he thought that gamma is lurking right now. Since this is a the lurker, it makes it a good middle scumread.

3.) His third scumread is Pep. Who is looking more and more like lynchbait. If you see the amount of pressure and votes that have been piling up on pep, I think that he thought this was a safe last scumread just to throw in at the end, because since others scumread him, he won't be questioned much on it.

I have played 2 games with town!Gamma and in neither he was inactive. That can be because of RL so i wouldnt read him scum for that alone but on top of that the only posts he made when he was active were mostly unhelpful spam. For somebody with 52 posts thats quite an achievment. And i dont remember Gamma going that hard into unhelpful spam. In our last game together he even suggested replacing out because of the earlygame spam.

Pep tried to throw shade at me and i called him out for it so tell me how exactly i was using the arguments others made for my scumread? You say he is looking more and more like lynchbait. Doesnt that imply that you yourself think he is scummy? How do you come to the conclusion that he is lynchbait?

Btw you are trying way to hard to tell everyone that you are town. What is the reason to mention that every time you get a chance?

My primary reason for not scumreading gerry at this point is we just finished Wordplay Mafia, where he was town and had similar posting style.

Went back to check- here is his iso-

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=68819&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=28282&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go

In both games he goes to figure out Transcend's alignment. Turns out he was scum last game, and gerry called it, but otherwise he appears to be scumhunting in both this game and Wordplay.

Since this is day1, and I feel gerry can contribute more and better in future days, I have a townread on him for now, and am pretty much against his lynch. The person most likely to move me from that read today would be gerry.

I would like to hear about your Pepo scumread, and your drealmerz townread.

Glad to see you might have flipped town this game. Good post plus good use of meta. I called Transcend being scum that game right away, just like i'm calling him being town this game. He has a way of going about things he does as both alignments imo.

That same intuition tells me Manuel is town. Look at 801. Scum has no need to go through so much trouble to back up their read, especially on day1. And a lot of it comes from your sussing out of Transcend.

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Hello.

Hi Elena, which scumteam are you on?

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Is it me or
DID PEP JUST BREAK MY GAME

He fiddled with the flux capacitor.

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Unless they skipped red, you're saying there are 3 scumteams?

Probably 4.

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Reads by group, town at top

Manuel87
Ramcius
gerryoat

Alisae
BigYoshiFan

drealmerz7
Transcend
Pine
Jaack
Elena Fisher

Indigo

kuror0
Lemon Tree
PenguinPower

Gamma Emerald
ConManMick

Pepchoninga
ironstove

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Vote: ConManMick

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Pere you scumread Mick because? I mean whats your reasoning behind it.
You're voting Mick but not Pep or Iron when you scumread them more over Mick because?

Posting on Jan 10th.

Mick is bigger wagon, and this is 40+ pages already, when there is not 40+ pages of content.

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That same intuition tells me Manuel is town. Look at 801. Scum has no need to go through so much trouble to back up their read, especially on day1. And a lot of it comes from your sussing out of Transcend.

not with his bad reason for having a fos on me he isnt.

You are quite aware that town can scumread you, even if you don;t think they should.

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Gamma Emerald
ConManMick

Pepchoninga
ironstove

???? why not vote ironstove and why did you vote mick instead?

Don't feel like leaving one vanity wagon for another at this point. No one else wants to vote Gamma or Ironstove, and I don't want 100 pages of PAGETOP!

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I mean, i'm fine with either but like. I'd much rather get ironstove.

Also can you really teamread con and pep?

or are these separate teams?

Not at the team stage yet. I have some interactions noted, but they mean nothing at this point without more info.

Right now shooting for "Not town", with the exact type to be specified as and if needed.

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Pere, you want to know what is concerning me when it comes to you?
Our reads were similar. Key word is were tho.
Like, they were very similar and that wierds me out a bit.

It's day1. I'll argue most of them.

What are your reads as of right now?

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Pere, you want to know what is concerning me when it comes to you?
Our reads were similar. Key word is were tho.
Like, they were very similar and that wierds me out a bit.

It's day1. I'll argue most of them.

What are your reads as of right now?

{Me}
{Garry, Trans}
{Ironstove, Pine}
{Elena, Pep, Yoshi}
{Lemon, drealmerz, Jaack, Pere, PenguinPower}
{Ram, kuror0, Manuel, Mick, Gamma}

Why are Iron and Pine such strong townreads to you?

And a brief reason for each of the last row?

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When it comes to Kuror0, Manuel, and Mick. I don't like Mick's Ironstove vote mostly because I think Ironstove is playing the lynchbait card. Iron is lynchbait and is being pushed as lynchbait sorta suggests he's town.

Hmm, it might be a possibility that Kuror0 and Mack are paired, maybe even with Manuel.
Garry says that Kuror0 misreps him and Mack instantly jumps on Garry for misrepping.
Not to mention I say something about misrepresentation and he answers that when it was directed towards Mack, which also seems wierd. I don't think Kuror0 had any reason to answer my quesiton so him suddenly answering it seems wierd.
Also what I find wierd is that Manuel never interacted with Garry and he thinks that Garry is scum until Manuel gives a case on Garry.
So yeah, I'll be adding a body to the Mack wagon and maybe a flip will help me sorta understand what happened there.
VOTE: Mack

I haven't been liking Ram's posts.
And as for Gamma I don't like how he used the shitposting to blend in. Doesn't seem like what I expect from Gamma.

Also Pine is a strong TR mostly because his response to me saying get your own reads seems to be coming from town.
With that said I do want some more content from him.

Iron

747 seems pretty scummy to me.

If he knows he's lynchbait then it seems like the answer would be to scumhunt.

ConMick

His 438 says why he voted iron- how did you come up with the "lynchbait" interpretation?

Manuel

Not sure what this means:

Also what I find wierd is that Manuel never interacted with Garry and he thinks that Garry is scum until Manuel gives a case on Garry.

Why is it weird to think someone is scum and give a case on them? Sounds like SoP.

Ram

To me, seems to be calling Pepo out on his posts, and whatever Pepo is selling as his reasons, Ram is not buying.

Pine

Meh. Maybe.

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Monday check-in- back later

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The game has doubled over the weekend.

I'll start plowing through- but is there anything relevant to know before I do so.

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transcend is very likely scum

And this will become evident in the pages I read, or did some defining moment happen?

clumsy has claimed mason

Who is clumsy?

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Clumsy= Ramicus

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Cloudkicker is an amazing person and replaces Gamma Emerald effectively as of now.
Please give them a very very very warm welcome!

Welcome Cloudkicker!

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160 pages?

lol-no

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Vote: Gerrygoat

You were a strong scumread of Manuel most of the day.

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@inspectorscout- I will not be around much this weekend. V/LA Jan27-30

Noted!

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Still think that gerrygoat is town and NKA should be put to rest.

OK, and why.

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Still think that gerrygoat is town and NKA should be put to rest.

OK, and why.

Scum hunting is purely genuine. I see a genuine non scum motivated thought process from him and i still think he hard town slipped.

Bad phrasing on my part.

OK, you think Gerry is town.

Why do you want to

not

use night-kill analysis?

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Because I've been framed by it and I've used it before and i was dead wrong. Sometimes, it's accurate. Sometimes it's not. Using it to base your reads is not an accurate technique imo. Pure scumhunting is significantly better.

Pedit: yeah totes a scum slip

That whole analysis was analyzing the black team.

There's no absolute way i can analyze the white team except via NKA which i just got done explaining isn't reliable. I need flips.

It's not the sole reason, but part of the total vote package.

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Vote: Gerrygoat

You were a strong scumread of Manuel most of the day.

uh, did you not check his recent things before you left. he actually thought i was town towards the end. i dont blame you tho cause you know, you probably didnt read the last 80 pages lol

As of 3121, he wanted to lynch you as scum.

Where are you referring to?

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I have strong doubts that any scum team made a kill decision in order to frame a town player.

@Frogger- why would White scum kill Cloud just to frame you?

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I have strong doubts that any scum team made a kill decision in order to frame a town player.

@Frogger- why would White scum kill Cloud just to frame you?

Are you kidding me? Happens all the time.

Really? I've been scum lots of times and never recall framing someone for the night1 kill. Do you have links to back up this theory?

Scum would kill cloud because Cloud was hard pushing me yesterday. In their view the easiest way for me to relieve pressure of myself would be to have the person who was hardcore pressuring me gone. Other scum would have no idea of my alignment prior to the cloud kill so why are you assume from their point of view they think they are framing a town player??? Because you're other scum and know I'm town?

Why would 1 of 2 mafia teams kill another player just to frame YOU?
I mean, why not just shoot you.
Are they framing you because your so spot-on with your reads? 3885
The question still stands, why does framing YOU on night1 become so important for a single scumteam in a multiball game?

Even then...NKA is a wifom game, which is why I've never put much stock into it (barring a guilty like a track or watch but then it's not wifom anymore), and those who bring up NKA as a reason to suspect someone the next day tend to be more scum than town.

Humor me.
Based on posting from yesterday, who do you think was trying to frame you for Cloud's death?

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I have strong doubts that any scum team made a kill decision in order to frame a town player.

@Frogger- why would White scum kill Cloud just to frame you?

Other scum would have no idea of my alignment prior to the cloud kill so why are you assume from their point of view they think they are framing a town player??? Because you're other scum and know I'm town?

I think Pere might have just scumslipped that I'm town. From other scum's POV they have no idea I'm town prior to the cloud kill, but after the kill they know I'm town based off how cloud pushed me. I think pere slipped that they were framing town (when they couldn't possibly know at the time) knowing now I'm town.

I don't know if you are town.

But, you've been set up by Cloud's team to be the lynch today, (those wily bastards), so I guess we'll know when we lynch you.

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but after the kill [other scum] know I'm town based off how cloud pushed me

Unless you think me and cloud were scum theater then just LOL.

There are 2 teams.

So Kabuki away.

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Pretty clear scumteam trying to frame me for that push when Pep was scummy as shit and also pushing clum the day before.
Pedit: I think there on w/e non blackmafia is btw

You are being framed too?

Holy shit, it's a pandemic!!

I better go check out your iso, to see what you are being framed for.

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Everyone who joins the pep wagon I will not vote all of day 2 regardless of my read on them.

And what

if

I flip town?

WHY

IF

YOU FLIP TOWN AND NOT WHEN

^
Can we like lynch this already?

No, he was talking about pep. his ^ was in agreement to me

That's not the way I read it. What else do you have?

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Vote: Gerrygoat

You were a strong scumread of Manuel most of the day.

So what?

Manuel was killed for a reason. What reason do you think it was?

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Really? I've been scum lots of times and never recall framing someone for the night1 kill. Do you have links to back up this theory?

Sure:
In BEES I was scum and framed lalaladucks: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7282883
In Frog Mafia I was the mode and watched BBT get framed: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7260711
In Pun mafia I was town and got framed: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7316643

just to name a few.

FYI, the first 2 are links to posts where you talk about how you saw people being framed in other games, not actual links to those games.
Maybe the last will be better, but since the post you linked to looks to be the endgame, then it's prolly not night1.

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Several things.
-Is there anyone else in the neighborhood or would it have just been you and Cloud?
-Does anyone else claim to be neighborized?
-Mafsilver is garbage, they should use MafBlack. But that color seems fine.
-Before we end the day, we need another vig list. This can wait a bit.
-I have a few reads that are starting to adjust, but I want to hold onto those for now
-Jae please clean up your spot. I don't want to lynch you. What do you think of everyone's reads on your slot?

1.) No. It woulda been just us
2.) No, cause I'm neighborized lol
3.) Probably
4.) Yes i agree
5.)OK
6.) lol

Anything said by either person in therE?

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Vote: Gerrygoat

You were a strong scumread of Manuel most of the day.

So what?

Manuel was killed for a reason. What reason do you think it was?

So that you can frame Garry for the NK.

A. Why would I specifically, as scum, want to kill Gerry?
B. If I wanted him dead, why not just shoot him?
C. Are players killed only to frame other players, in your experience?

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@PV i just showed you i wasnt his SR. I think you're town, but you're being weird.

either you didn't read, or you're pushing for a weird reason

I'll come back to this.

idk why you guys think maf would be worried about framing someone when they are trying to kill other maf or PRs imo.

This +1

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The question still stands, why does framing YOU on night1 become so important for a single scumteam in a multiball game?

Because it's working and the easiest way for said scum team to not have anyone in their team be lynched.

Yourself, Gerry, and kuror have all decided that I'm scum because of the cloud kill, and several others were already suspicious of me. It's the easiest way to build up a lynch against me, regardless from that scum team's POV if I am town or other scum.

So why you assumed they were framing a town!me is beyond me, unless you know I'm town and you are other scum.

Actually, no.

I have no read on you.

What I am seeing is you becoming suddenly defensive, as if trying to give yourself a free pass from scumhunting today, because you'll be too busy trying to hold off from being lynched after being framed.

You have given ZERO reasons why anyone would bother, yet are basing your play on it.

So keep defending.

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A. Why would I specifically, as scum, want to kill Gerry?
B. If I wanted him dead, why not just shoot him?
C. Are players killed only to frame other players, in your experience?

A. Scum like having a justified vote, so if you could easily frame someone as scum for a NK, then you could push a lynch.
B. Because you want to lynch him. Garrybote was scumread by some people D1. If you attempt to frame him you could easily push for his lynch.
C. No. I personally think Manny was killed because Clumsy pointed him out to be an obv mason partner.

A. Justified votes being all the rage?
B. Not particularly. The more people randomly defending him though, piques my interest in the idea.
C. Really? Where was that?

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What I am seeing is you becoming suddenly defensive

LOL

Cloudy chides me for being not defensive enough and PV for being too defensive.

Defense is NAI.

More defensive relative to the scumread on you.

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as if trying to give yourself a free pass from scumhunting today

Are you kidding me? I've already put cases on Gerry, Transcend, and I think you scumslipped.

Your scumreads yesterday consisted of Pine, Yoshi, and Jack.

Now they are Gerry, Transcend, and me?

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PV making shit up right now.

Which part am I making up?

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A. Justified votes being all the rage?
B. Not particularly. The more people randomly defending him though, piques my interest in the idea.
C. Really? Where was that?

A. Justified vote as in "Oh Manny was killed. Manny scumread Garrybote. That must give me a really strong reason to vote Garrybote."
B. I think people are defending him because you jumped on him for a NK.
C. Clumsy's ISO. Clumsy hardtownread Manny.

A. And you think that it's no reason at all?
B. Who, Gerry? Nobody is defending him. He's doing it all yourself. YOU are jumping on me for thinking Manuel's scumread might have killed him to get Manuel to stop going after him.
C. So did I. Am I a mason too?

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as if trying to give yourself a free pass from scumhunting today

Are you kidding me? I've already put cases on Gerry, Transcend, and I think you scumslipped.

Your scumreads yesterday consisted of Pine, Yoshi, and Jack.

Now they are Gerry, Transcend, and me?

Pine flipped town. Yoshi I still think could be scum, but we'll wait for his result. Jaack is the claimed vig and there were 3 kills last night including his claimed vig kill of Pine.

I fail to see the issue.

OK, I'll point in out when I have more time.

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PV Let's play a little game.
I spy with my little eye
during the night
nothing because I was asleep

What did you spy during the night?

You sleeping.

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A. And you think that it's no reason at all?
B. Who, Gerry? Nobody is defending him. He's doing it all yourself. YOU are jumping on me for thinking Manuel's scumread might have killed him to get Manuel to stop going after him.
C. So did I. Am I a mason too?

A. Never said it wasn't a reason.
B. Misread mybad.
C. He was higher then you. That means you aren't a mason.

A. Just that you don't like it? You're acting like it's not a reason.
B. --
C. ??? What does that mean?

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fuckin stalker.
Guess my theory is wrong then.

Feel free to share it.

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Wait PV do you TR me?

Not really. I don't have a read on you.

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unvote

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8 days until deadline?

Back later.

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PereV as well but from what I gather that's not going to happen.

I'll take specific requests, but at this point in time, both scum teams can appear to be scumhunting while still being scum, so you can't call them out on that.

There are no good interactions with Cloud. He has the scumposting style that makes everything look like garbage.

Frogger and Elena both claimed to being framed by Cloud's death, which is either just dumb, or some really nervous scum reaction. He wanted to kill BigYoshi all day, yet Yoshi is not feeling framed.
I dunno, the whole Cloud thing needs more scrutiny.

I still think Manuel was killed for a reason. And it bothers me that Alisae is claiming because you so obviously outted him. I read, and I did not see that, I also was not looking for it. It makes me wonder why she was.

Anyway, lots of pages behind and even some replacements, so will slog along.

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I kno right

Elena is scum guys! I mean it. I know it.

Why is there 100 people voting you to die?

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Well were in a bit of a disagreement on who's on what scumteam but at least our reads are semi right . May I ask who you think my partner is or do you not have that solved yet.

Like, just one partner?

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY PV!

Thanks!!!

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Frogger and Elena both claimed to being framed by Cloud's death, which is either just dumb, or some really nervous scum reaction.

He wanted to kill BigYoshi all day

, yet Yoshi is not feeling framed.
I dunno, the whole Cloud thing needs more scrutiny.

The bolded is just false. Cloud wanted to kill me all day. I had to help push cloud into voting Yoshi

cloud vote yoshi

can you at least say please? im trying to grudge vote here

can you at least say please? im trying to grudge vote here

please

lol oupsy

VOTE: mario's dinosaur

He ended up scumreading Yoshi for Yoshi's claim (which is funny because he called me out for scumreading Yoshi's claim), then backed away from it eventually and finally ended up townreading Yoshi and tunneling me.

Transcend just reread the yoshi claim in mind that yoshi is actually town and read froggy

So Yoshi would have little to no reason to think he was framed.

Elena I have no idea why she would think she's framed.

All I said was its possible I was framed, because everyone started suspecting me because of the Cloud kill. So it seems like a plausible option that someone planted the Cloud kill to frame me. I never said that *was* the reason...just a possibility.

I just don't see you being framed as the reason Cloud was killed. He started out trying to get you to vote Pine, then you did something that bugged him or a scumbuddy, becasue this:

Ive had a hard gut scumread on froggy for the past 2-3 pages

The only thing I see between 3275 and 3375 is you express a suspicion of Jack. But since he's vig, and all your other "scumreads" from then are dead, not sure why he turned from agreeing with you to wanting to kill you.

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Anyway, I like this better.

Vote:Alisae

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That's fair. I wasn't saying me being framed was the reason cloud was killed either. I was responding to people saying "Frog killed cloud" with "its alternatively possible i'm being framed". I'm not suggesting I was, but when multiple people start FoS'ing me for the cloud kill, it certainly to me reads that me being framed is within the range of outcomes of why cloud was killed.

Well, if the White scumteam killed Cloud at night, did they make any move on him during the day?

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I ask again

Why the fuck is Elena indestructible

She's basically confirmed scum

How confirmed?

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That's fair. I wasn't saying me being framed was the reason cloud was killed either. I was responding to people saying "Frog killed cloud" with "its alternatively possible i'm being framed". I'm not suggesting I was, but when multiple people start FoS'ing me for the cloud kill, it certainly to me reads that me being framed is within the range of outcomes of why cloud was killed.

Well, if the White scumteam killed Cloud at night, did they make any move on him during the day?

The white scumteam had to have killed cloud, not if. Jaack vigged pine, and cloud wouldn't have been killed by his own scumteam.

As far as did they make a move on him, I don't think so. Cloud didn't get a single vote yesterday after replacing in.

Gamma was here and posting way before Cloud. Check him out.

As vig, I'm going to vote to kill scummiest, then at night I probbably shoot them.

Did anyone vote Cloud or Gamma at all day1?

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6000!!!!!

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Am I the only one slightly skeptical about Jae's ability to clear? Like, less "I don't think they can", and more "I'm worried about the possibility of them (Jae and Alisae) being scum together." I think I mentioned that it would also be an okay idea to check Jae for PTs, because if we clear there, that's 100% 2 more confirmed townies.

Just me? Okay. ._.

No. The fact he can only clear Alisae makes it sound even more crappy.

But, willing to listen to his claim.

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Actually i don't have any final thoughts lol

A summary of your reads, then?

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And that's the end of NY 201!

Thank you all!

Thanks!! Really liked it!!

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Good job scum Gerry!

Next time though......