Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[SirCakez]

Nacho is asking you how town!Mono would ask those questions or accuse Fate of what Mono accused Fate of doing, in regards to the questions he listed. (I think I read that right)

Yes I understand that, I mean I have no idea what he's referring to by " Fate asking a question to Pine is equivalent with Gin's buddy buddy interactions with Pine" or "Mono expected Fate to follow up with Pine's answer".

[Nachomamma8]

I've been skimming honestly, it all started blending together
A concise explanation of your read on Mono would be awesome

Why are you townreading Mono?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Nacho is asking you how town!Mono would ask those questions or accuse Fate of what Mono accused Fate of doing, in regards to the questions he listed. (I think I read that right)

Yes I understand that, I mean I have no idea what he's referring to by " Fate asking a question to Pine is equivalent with Gin's buddy buddy interactions with Pine" or "Mono expected Fate to follow up with Pine's answer".

Are you doing a thing called reading? If so follow up, the thread?

[Nachomamma8]

Fate asking a question to Pine is equivalent with Gin's buddy buddy interactions with Pine

Still can't over the fact that he interacted Pine by directing a question right at him, then never followed up on it, then ignored us after repeated attempts to get him to explain it, then threw shade at Gin for interacting with Pine.

The crux of Mono's argument here seems to be that Fate questioning Pine and then criticizing Gin for interacting with Pine is ridiculous. I think this is a uncharacteristically shallow observation because of the difference in scale between Fate's interaction with Pine and Gin's interaction with Pine.

[SirCakez]

I've been skimming honestly, it all started blending together
A concise explanation of your read on Mono would be awesome

Why are you townreading Mono?

How steadfast they have been on their reads and I liked how the way they interacted with me even though they're scumreading me.

Nacho is asking you how town!Mono would ask those questions or accuse Fate of what Mono accused Fate of doing, in regards to the questions he listed. (I think I read that right)

Yes I understand that, I mean I have no idea what he's referring to by " Fate asking a question to Pine is equivalent with Gin's buddy buddy interactions with Pine" or "Mono expected Fate to follow up with Pine's answer".

Are you doing a thing called reading? If so follow up, the thread?

I was skimming because I felt like it was going in circles, thus my confusion

Fate asking a question to Pine is equivalent with Gin's buddy buddy interactions with Pine

Still can't over the fact that he interacted Pine by directing a question right at him, then never followed up on it, then ignored us after repeated attempts to get him to explain it, then threw shade at Gin for interacting with Pine.

The crux of Mono's argument here seems to be that Fate questioning Pine and then criticizing Gin for interacting with Pine is ridiculous. I think this is a uncharacteristically shallow observation because of the difference in scale between Fate's interaction with Pine and Gin's interaction with Pine.

Mono's argument sounds reasonable to me but I didn't see the interactions.

I'm just going to reread.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm just going to reread.

[Nachomamma8]

now, with all that in mind, let's start..... here!
VOTE: SirCakez
flail, squalor!!!!!

Monokuma you remind me of some people from my home site

How nice! Do you also intentionally not react when your good buddies from your home site vote you?

Monokuma you remind me of some people from my home site

How nice! Do you also intentionally not react when your good buddies from your home site vote you?

It was naked, not much to react to.

well hey, you addressed us! but you dodged the issue and instead just posted pointless fluff. literally you could have said "hey why are you voting me?" or even just "explain?" if youre feeling lazy and dont want to hit all those keys on your keyboard. but noooooooooooo, youre too cool to even wonder why we're voting you! why do you HATE US SO MUCH, SIRCAKEZ? WHY? W H Y?

Cakez, today's your lucky day. Gin's been selected for punishment!

Which one of these interactions look town to you?
Why is being steadfast in their reads a town tell?

[SirCakez]

I meant when Mono was talking to me about Mastin but it was like 2 posts and for some reason I thought it was more. So that can go out the window.
I think scum are generally more likely to change reads in order to fit the general consensus.

[SirCakez]

Oh now I remember what I was thinking of. I liked that Mono saw the same things I did about Mastina backing off of Nacho super suddenly and Fate voting wherever, including with his top scumread. Not really an interaction with me but similar thinking.

[SirCakez]

Ok my aunt just arrived for a visit so I'll have to do my reread tomorrow, sorry!

[Monokuma]

The crux of Mono's argument here seems to be that Fate questioning Pine and then criticizing Gin for interacting with Pine is ridiculous. I think this is a uncharacteristically shallow observation because of the difference in scale between Fate's interaction with Pine and Gin's interaction with Pine.

It was a three point argument, and you threw out two of the points to say that one of them was the crux? Listen antojitos, it was Fate's lack a followup, and Fate's lack a respondin' to us. In addition to the Gin issue. 1, 2, 3. Bears have five claws on each foot, so we can count to at least that much.

[Monokuma]

Oh. And we've received a communication from a reliable source (us) that a certain player (who reminds us of a dessert) is not, in fact, guilty at all!!! That player might even be...

TOWN!!!

The dessert, not us. But we're town too. Just not a dessert. Unless you count how our pillowy softness can be likened to a delicious marshmallow.

[Pine]

I just keep ISOing pine so I know my reads are staying in-tact

everything else is noise, pine is all that matters

(kidding)

Bow before me, bitch.

[Monokuma]

I just keep ISOing pine so I know my reads are staying in-tact

everything else is noise, pine is all that matters

(kidding)

Bow before me, bitch.

All your pandaing to the crowd is gettin' a mite teddyous.
What's that? The pot calling the kettle black? We're not just black, we're white too! So there.

[Pine]

Monokuma, please. Restrict witty banter to the scumthread.

[Aristophanes]

Mastin if you're guaranteeing Pine made optimal picks based on your meta knowledge of him then we need to lynch Nacho and no one but Nacho until Nachos dead

Lynching Nacho is so sad though.

Mastina, I love the coloured avatar!

[Pine]

I agree, lynching Nacho is sad. We should be listening more to him.

Nacho, who do you think is scum?

[Aristophanes]

I agree, lynching Nacho is sad. We should be listening more to him.

Nacho, who do you think is scum?

Nice mind games!

[Pine]

I agree, lynching Nacho is sad. We should be listening more to him.

Nacho, who do you think is scum?

Nice mind games!

Sure.

[BTD6_maker]

....we're going in circles

Yes, and it's a closed circle, comprised of two binaries:
Pine either made wifom picks, or optimal picks. Binary number one.
We can either choose to enter the wifom game and try to figure out the above, or we can ignore the wifom game altogether. Binary number two.

If we enter the wifom game and try to figure out the first binary, I am telling you that Pine made the optimal picks.
If we choose to ignore the wifom game altogether, then I am telling you to assume Pine made the optimal picks, because that's what fucking ignoring the wifom game entails.

You can't go "but Pine could have picked the wifom picks!" without entering into the wifom game.
Ignoring the wifom game is therefore assuming...Pine picked the optimal picks.
But if you choose to enter into the wifom game...I am telling you the answer is Pine picked the optimal picks rather than the wifom picks.

So regardless of whether you enter into the wifom game, or whether you ignore the wifom game...the answer here is to assume...Pine picked the optimal choices.

Really not that hard to understand.

Your reasoning is flawed. It can be used to explain that it is more likely that Pine picked optimal picks but not guarantee it. What stops someone from entering the WIFOM game and then coming to the conclusion that Pine made WIFOM picks?

I can explain this using an analogy from the wiki:

When chasing down a dangerous criminal, a policeman comes to a fork in the road. To the left is a dark alleyway where the criminal would have a moderate chance of escaping (even if the cop correctly follows him that direction) (I am assuming 50% chance of getting caught here). To the right is a well-lit boulevard where the criminal would surely be caught. The policeman doesn't know which way the criminal went. If he guesses wrong, the criminal will easily make a clean getaway.
If you were the criminal, which way would you go?
If you were the policeman, which way would you guess the criminal went?

The correct answer is for the criminal to run through the alleyway 2/3 of the time and the boulevard 1/3 of the time and for the policeman to do the same.

Likewise, assuming Pine plays optimally, Pine should have a chance greater than random of making optimal picks (as, ignoring the fact that Pine drafted the team, optimal picks are more likely to win) but have a chance of making WIFOM picks.

(The other examples can be analysed similarly and give similar results, though the one about who to kill out of the innocent, lynchbait, and thinker is a false dichotimy - or in this case a trichotomy - that ignores the possibility that you No Kill).

[Nachomamma8]

It was a three point argument, and you threw out two of the points to say that one of them was the crux? Listen antojitos, it was Fate's lack a followup, and Fate's lack a respondin' to us. In addition to the Gin issue. 1, 2, 3. Bears have five claws on each foot, so we can count to at least that much.

We'd talked about the three points recently, but Cakez seemed lost. Generally, when people seem lost, I take things one step at a time.

[drealmerz7]

I just keep ISOing pine so I know my reads are staying in-tact

everything else is noise, pine is all that matters

(kidding)

Bow before me, bitch.

I actually don't like the persistent use of that word in our culture
I like swear words pretty much all of them are good to go for me except maybe that one because of how it's come to be in society

no biggie, just voicing - I think people should stop using it

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler: When am I allowed to vote?

Yo yo yo!!

I told you guys I'd be here eventually!

Have I missed any good partying and/or trolling?

Camn, I love your Mod colour!!

We almost put a ball gag on Pine, it's been a hoot

Hahaha!
This is definitely my kind of party then!

We almost put a ball gag on Pine, it's been a hoot

Hahaha!
This is definitely my kind of party then!

Oh yeah, we got the cat nine tails and floggers but between you and I, Camn isn't exactly the best at making the knots tight

Should have used a Venusaur instead of a Ninetails to ensure strong knots! Dat Vine Whip

My bloodthirst rises with postless hours, my friends.
I hope you are getting ready to tell me who PINE'S SCUMMY FRIENDS are.

I mean, I'm waiting on Mastin -I Opisthobranchia (I'm keeping that there because autocorrect is hilarious)- to explain to me how blatantly saying I'm good at playing scum will help further a scum agenda.

The hell were you trying to type!?!?!?

My bloodthirst rises with postless hours, my friends.
I hope you are getting ready to tell me who PINE'S SCUMMY FRIENDS are.

Don't you worry, will bag 'em and tag 'em soon enough!

Mastin if you're guaranteeing Pine made optimal picks based on your meta knowledge of him then we need to lynch Nacho and no one but Nacho until Nachos dead

Lynching Nacho is so sad though.

Mastina, I love the coloured avatar!

I agree, lynching Nacho is sad. We should be listening more to him.

Nacho, who do you think is scum?

Nice mind games!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

First off, Pisskop was the beginning slot, he started out the game and continued the pattern of fluffing and frivolous shit posting. When he did post, there wasn't reasoning attached to it, all of them were baseless and were said to just be said.

It also doesn't help that the slot replacement, Ari can't play scum to save his life, in essence making it a suicide slot. The quotes I put in a spoiler, and really they are all his ISO, is literally no game contribution and doesn't address anyone game related.

Also a quick VCA is that scum will disperse their votes to hide in the crowd, so there will be 1/2 in the main wagons and 1/2 in a slot that's been voted once or they are the only vote. Now, looking at the babywagons that happened in D1, the beginning started with dreal and Fate.

Looking at that, Pisskop gave a weak reason which was really a hesitant question more than accusation and put his vote on dreal. The vote only moved from dreal to Fate and this occurred when Pisskop said, Fate was his top scum read, but again, there was no explanation attached to it, essentially making it a naked vote because it is knowingly implied that if you vote someone, it is because you think they are scum.

I am almost 100% confident that Pisskop has been staying off of the main wagons to avoid any serious attention and shitpost so you think to just ignore him.

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Pine]

Yawn.

Entertain me, mortals.