Newbie 1768: Party Mafia - Game over!

[nancy]

Ok. I'm officially talking to myself here. Lmfao.

[nancy]

She has been passively scumhunting

Titus doesn't passively scumhunt unless she's scum or busy irl.

I'd also like to point out that you and GL have both admitted to wrongfully scumreading her in the recent past. I don't think you should put so much trust in your meta-reads of her.

[JaeReed]

I probably shouldn't leave out EL from the opportunist list, since her vote was essentially a self-save, even though I was never going to hammer her (she didn't know this, of course, so I can't blame her).

It's better to have a lynch on D1 than to reach a deadline no lynch.

The statistics for town wins on a no lynch D1 are horrendous iirc.

[JaeReed]

She has been passively scumhunting

Titus doesn't passively scumhunt unless she's scum or busy irl.

I'd also like to point out that you and GL have both admitted to wrongfully scumreading her in the recent past. I don't think you should put so much trust in your meta-reads of her.

When did I admit to that?

[Titus]

Nine hours left to vote EL.

[Titus]

I probably shouldn't leave out EL from the opportunist list, since her vote was essentially a self-save, even though I was never going to hammer her (she didn't know this, of course, so I can't blame her).

It's better to have a lynch on D1 than to reach a deadline no lynch.

The statistics for town wins on a no lynch D1 are horrendous iirc.

Agreed, so you can vote EL scum and we are both happy.

Any reason why you derailed it at the last second?

[JaeReed]

Did you miss the scumslip?

[Titus]

Did you miss the scumslip?

No. There was not one.

Did you miss EL's tonal indicators?

[nancy]

When did I admit to that?

My bad, it was just GL.

[Titus]

VC please

[JaeReed]

Did you miss the scumslip?

No. There was not one.

Did you miss EL's tonal indicators?

So knowing the setup we're in while being obviously not related to the setup isn't a slip?

You know it is. Why are you defending scum?

EL could swing either way, but I can't see someone knowing we have a roleblocker and jailkeeper in the setup while not being the jailkeeper as town. There's just no way nancy flips town given that.

[nancy]

It's better to have a lynch on D1 than to reach a deadline no lynch.

The statistics for town wins on a no lynch D1 are horrendous iirc.

Interesting. Time to research some numbers theory!

[JaeReed]

Unofficial VC
nancy (4) - JaeReed, Revan, bowdown, EccentricLemon
Revan (2) - GuiltyLion, Agent Sparkles
EccentricLemon (2) - Titus, tojam2
GuiltyLion (1) - nancy

Not voting (0)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch someone.


(expired on 2017-01-16 11:14:00) remain until day end

[JaeReed]

It's better to have a lynch on D1 than to reach a deadline no lynch.

The statistics for town wins on a no lynch D1 are horrendous iirc.

Interesting. Time to research some numbers theory!

It's because you're giving scum control of the information, and also putting numbers on even. You lose a chance to mislynch without losing the game for it.

[tojam2]

Was there a lynch?
Intend to hammer at 4 pm GMT.

[Titus]

Time from now.

I'd bet my game life on Nancy being town ftr.

[GuiltyLion]

here to hammer before bed as promised! I don't want to trust someone else to do it or trust myself to wake up early enough (since I have the day off tomorrow)

VOTE: nancy

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[Titus]

Welp.

[GuiltyLion]

also, if this flips red and I die, I'd look into Agent Sparkles on D2:

Which results in a lynching priority for me of: GL, Titus, EL,

Agent Sparkles

, bowdown, revan

Anyway, here's the post you've all been expecting. I'm going to focus my scumreads or semi-scumreads for now. Eccentric is someone I would keep an eye on. I think we've already established that some of her posts could be newbie fumbles, but

with the exception of nancy's 180 (and even that was playing both sides of the argument)

, most of the TR arguments for her (mainly to revan and jae) haven't done much to persuade that these posts are a sign that she's town. Though this is oversimplifying a bit, there seems to be an argument of "she's probably acting like paranoid scum because she's newbtown" when I've mostly been getting more general newbie vibes for the same reasons, and occasionally slightly scummy ones (like the sudden paranoia early on, and the fact that her vote is still on tojam even though no one has challenged his claim). This read is probably the weakest of the three, so I would keep her alive as a future lynch target.

Titus also makes me feel uneasy. Say what you want about not worrying about yourself as a townie, but when Titus is being suspected she seems to dismiss it altogether (most notably when Revan pushed on her). As a townie, you should at least want to address people's problems when they prompt you to, for the sake of helping the game move forward. Ignoring people altogether is detrimental to town and could be a way of avoiding the issue or an excuse to use the "town playstyle" argument. To a lesser degree, I also don't like how focused she's been on tunneling lemon since page 11, with how little her posts have given besides that.

And then Revan. His reasoning seems pretty shallow and at times irrational. Just like I questioned tojam because his first townread was based on "furthering discussion," Revan claims a similar read on me in 154. His case on Jae is very flawed, acting sure that Jae's comment on being scum in two "completed games" is them slipping, which is really a stretch. As a normal statement, what Jae said made perfect sense, but as a slip, it's a really obvious goof-up that even new players shoud notice before sending, much less an IC. Later, he accuses them of using basic, surface-level thinking, which is exactly what he'd been doing most of the time.

My vote will likely go to one of these three. I'll elaborate on my other current reads as well, but it's super late here, so I'll give you a list for now:

Tojam: Essentially ConfTown
JaeReed- Leaning Town
GuiltyLion- Nulltown
Bowdown- Possibly nulltown, will have to reread him a bit more

Nancy- Neutral

newbie scum like to avoid committing to a firm read on eachother, and these two readslists posts were made when Nancy didn't appear to be a viable lynch option. I think Jae mentioned seeing a possible associatives between them as well. A red flip would probably clear Titus and pretty much all of the flashwagon, I don't think scum!Titus would make these vocal townread posts for a doomed partner and Nancy has some posts to Titus that read more like budding than S-S.

[nancy]

Excessive justification of that hammer suggests to me that you were afraid that someone would wise up and the wagon on EL would resume. We already know you promised to hammer me before bed, you don't need to remind that you promised it just because Titus was defending me and it might make the hammer look suspicious. Tojam already said he'd hammer me and we all know by his posting history that he isn't particularly fond of me. Scum. You are scum.

[nancy]

I'm not going to flip red and you know it.

[nancy]

Again posting another convenient "scumhunt" post. Agent Sparkles is already heavily suspected. Was. A red flip for me would not clear Titus, that is bs and you're trying to misdirect town into thinking that because me flipping red = Titus clear, me flipping green = Titus scum.

[nancy]

And because I don't want my last post to contain an expletive, thank all of you SE's and IC and mod for helping us newblets!!

[nancy]

Most likely 2nd scum, in order of most to least: EccentricLemon, JaeReed, Revan, bowdown.

[nancy]

Upon re-reading GL's ISO yet again, let me update that to: EccentricLemon, bowdown, JaeReed, Revan.