Newbie 1770: Water Game Over

[Toto]

It is called whiteknighting if he is scum. However I have a town read on him for other reasons

[Toto]

But scum like to defend the townie who is about to get lynched sometimes because when it flips green it makes them
Look good

[Toto]

It's town I think.

Rolefishing so blatantly is something scum don't do because it makes them a likely lynch target, especially in a newbie game. Town are more indifferent towards getting lynched and will just do whatever they THINK is the correct play.

It was clear thwt he wanted to frame fish tho.

Frame fish? How?

[Toto]

Framing means Im trapping him somehow. Explain how am I doing that?

[MooginSoosy]

Ok, so this is what I'm thinking. It would be ridiculous for Toto to continue pushing fish if he was scum because it would make people want to lynch him as we're seeing. Following that line of thinking, it's also ridiculous that Toto announced it to EVERYONE that fish is PR. now there's a target on fish's back for the night. If more people got behind Toto and voted for fish, that would be favorable for mafia (assuming fish is indeed a PR and a town). The mafia can sit back and watch this situation unfold. Then they can vote and help this feud unfold.

[MooginSoosy]

Ugh I said unfold twice this is why I need to go back and reread things. Anyways, I think a person who isn't talking (jack and fykus) could be mafia as well as someone who brought up/participated in the feud again (pep or nydusherman)

[Toto]

I was going to point something out. But I won't say anything else about fish today. If fish, is town then the scum in my wagon was either Fykys or Pep.

[mhsmith0]

jackchaos has been prodded

[JackChaos]

sorry guys. Had a weird weekend. I'm back

[JackChaos]

Okay, caught up. Toto is so over the top I kind of think he's scum.

As for me being scum, for being away from the game, sorry to burst your bubble but no. I just had a busy weekend. Also I really need to log in to this on my phone. Then I can follow the game wherever.

I really doubt formerfish is scum, although he's seasoned as hell at this game so it's possible.

[JackChaos]

VOTE: Toto

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.07

Fykus (3)

MooginSoosy , Toto , TierShift L-2 ,

Toto (3)

Fykus , Formerfish , JackChaos L-2 ,

Not Voting (3)

Secret Agent Jin , Pepchoninga , nydushermain ,

Day one deadline is Monday January 25th, 2 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-25 15:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[JackChaos]

Okay guys, I'm up on phone so I won't be so long between posts now

[Fykus]

I apologize (again) for the lack of activity over the last 2 days, ive just started back at work again so I can only really post of an afternoon in Australia time. After following the thread but not posting I think toto's behaviour is way over the top. My vote is staying where it is. I've got no idea why everyone has got a hardon for lynching me though since im just a VT.

Anyways...

Looking through, fykus voted for Toto after toto voted for fykus. This is the second time that fykus has done this. I don't know if it is suspicious, but I have a feeling it is. My vote for fykus stands.

I would find it suspicious because instead of saying why he's not suspicious he immediately goes into reasons why another person is more suspicious. The lack of defense tells me there is no defense, and that he is scum.

I originally voted for Toto because he was barely posting anything a few days back, after doing so he rushed into the game and started ranting and raving like a lunatic so I've kept the vote where it is and it looks like a good decision tbh. Also I still have a sneaking suspicion that TS might be scum also but I guess I'll save those accusations for another day.

[Toto]

Smith. Replace me

[MooginSoosy]

Why would someone who is scum be over the top though? That's just drawing attention to themselves. I thought it was suspicious at first as well. The more I thought about it, the more I thought it would be less likely for a scum to be going after someone in the way Toto was. I guess it doesn't really matter anymore since Toto wants to be replaced...

[MooginSoosy]

Also fykus when you voted for Toto he had only said a few things at that point, one being a vote for you and one saying that you're probably scum. So your story doesn't add up at all. He only started saying more after you voted for him back. It's fine to keep the vote after he started talking like that but he wasn't talking like crazy when you voted for him.

[mhsmith0]

RadiantCowbells replaces Toto effective immediately.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uhh.

I can't be sure about Fykus because he's dumbtelling all over the place and that makes him hard to read but I am town and not sure that I feel TvS wagon here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nydus is a strong TR after my first read. I am going to vote Moogin for now because I don't like how she's been playing both sides of the competing wagons here.

VOTE: MooginSoosy

[RadiantCowbells]

Also holy fuck how is there a wagon on my slot my predecessor was obvtown. You're voting him for being an idiot, not for being scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

And formerfish get the fuck over yourself I'm the saltiest mafia player ever and I don't rage at newbies for being newbies in the fucking newbie queue.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay Toto isn't a newbie and I don't want to prolong this for obvious reasons anyway. I'm sorry for overreacting.

FF, we both know that there's no way that Toto is scum doing what he was doing. I also have no intention of getting lynched in this game. The slot's replaced, can we call a truce and lynch scum?
JackChaos, no. It's not over the top. I've seen people get a million times more riled up than anyone in this game has approached being. People can go really ham when they believe in reads.
Fykus, your argument is that my slot is scum because he was raging like a lunatic. Do you think that town who actually believes in and has to push something or scum who has the game at a distance and is able to play to their wincon by reorienting their push or frankly doing just about anything is more likely to get sufficiently riled up to rage like a lunatic? AtE to that extent is seen as a towntell in the current meta for good reason.

[RadiantCowbells]

As for the people voting Fykus, he MIGHT be scum but he's far from the most likely person to flip scum today.
MooginSoosy was talking a lot during the entire debacle but was never pushing on Fykus. She was mostly just sitting there, reiterating her one point, and repeatedly asking people to clarify things with no follow up.
That is active lurking of the worst kind and is scummy as hell.

Also, I really loathe her 278. It feels like she was just being a noncommital scumfuck and putting them all as scumreads while she waited for there to be a clear lynch wagon.
Yes- she eventually came over to 'townreading' my slot: HOWEVER she did so as crowd mentality started to swing against me. It feels to me like she was just following the wave of reads and sticking to a Fykus mislynch.

Why would someone who is scum be over the top though? That's just drawing attention to themselves. I thought it was suspicious at first as well. The more I thought about it, the more I thought it would be less likely for a scum to be going after someone in the way Toto was. I guess it doesn't really matter anymore since Toto wants to be replaced...

What purpose does this post serve? Does the phrasing of it look like she's genuinely trying to parse it or does it look like she's making a show of 'LOOK HOW GOOD OF A TOWNIE I AM!'
Further, why does it not really matter anymore? We're the same slot, same alignment.

Also her most recent claimed inconsistency of Fykus's really doesn't make sense.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am going to bump this so that the mod can take a pagetop if they are online anytime soon.