Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Nero Cain]

*beats Tina with Ryyk blade*

[BBmolla]

Nacho can you tell mastin I'm town my efforts of fruitless

[Nero Cain]

I don't recall this at all.

Would I lie about this?

Do I even need to say "spot the problem" here? Because, uh...yeah. This is pretty self-evident.

Aren't you doing the same thing?

@ Cakez wagon: who else will you guys lynch? It's stagnating and I don't see anyone trying to push it forward.

I'd lynch Mastina and KL as an alternative to a no lynch.

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 1.13

Pine-A-Tonics [2] mastina, Klingoncelt
SirCakez [3] Nero Cain, Lil Uzi Vert, Aj The Epic
mastina [1] Drunken Piper,
Heartless [1] Nachomamma8
Lil Uzi Vert [1] Pine-A-Tonics
Aj The Epic [4] SirCakez, BBmolla, Titus, Desperado
The Thinker [3] Infinity 324, Heartless, TheWayItEnds

Not Voting - [2] Aeronaut, The Thinker

With 17 Alive, It Takes 9 To Lynch.

Rogue Leader Vote:

Desperado (1) Infinity 324,
BBMolla (1): Titus
Infinity 324 (5): Desperado, Drunken Piper, Lil Uzi Vert, Heartless, Mastina
Nero Cain (2): BBmolla, Pine-A-Tonics
Heartless (4): Nero Cain, AJ The Epic, The Thinker, Klingoncelt, TheWayItEnds

Mod Notes - May the flavor be with you.
TheWayItEnds replaces Gamma Emerald
Nachomamma8 replaces Alban

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-01-24 15:26:20)!

[mastina]

Aren't you doing the same thing?

No. I quite explicitly APPROVE of the SirCakez wagon.
The reason I'm voting Pine is because it's Pine.

BBMolla, on the other hand, to be explicit as possible:

Why aren't you sheeping Nero on SC if you're claiming you two are reading the game the same way?

I'm fine with SC lynch

but AJ is more obviously scum

"I think SirCakez is scum, but I think AJ is also scum". Yes, this part is the same as my "I think SirCakez is scum, but I also think Pine is scum". But what makes it different?

Scum-AJ is on heartless tho :/

"I refuse to vote with my scumread".

Infinity 324 (6): Desperado, Drunken Piper, Lil Uzi Vert, The Thinker, Heartless, Mastina

this list of players hardly inspires my confidence. 2 of the players on this list aren't voting for scum. Out of 3 players not voting total. seems a bit odd dontcha think

"The names backing this wagon suck, so I won't back it".

Aj The Epic [2]

SirCakez

, BBmolla

...Yet he's backing the AJ wagon which SirCakez is on.

It's a hypocritical contradiction.
He says SC is scum, and AJ is scum.
He says he refuses to vote with scum.
Yet he is voting someone...who is being backed by someone he considers scum.

[SirCakez]

I don't think single-mindedness is a scumtell in general even though it may be for you. There's a reason I'm not scumreading titus. And he said his case on you was a result of motive hunting, while it seems pretty bad, it doesn't seem scum-motivated.

It might not be in some scenarios but I think AJ is just using it as a crutch here

I get the feeling he's posting his original thoughts instead of trying to think about how it would look to others. Especially the part about motive hunting, it just seems like not the best approach to appeal to the group.

Aristo doesn't really think through his posts as scum. He tends to just post stuff. But as town you can usually tell his content is genuine scumhunting and it's not here.

I just ISOed AJ and he hasn't given a read on anyone besides me, and Heartless/Desperado if we're being generous. Which is just laughably scummy. It's how I play as scum sometimes, latch onto a town who's getting wagoned early then ignore the rest of the game unless asked about stuff.

Which is bullshit since I've called infinity town. And please, don't go comparing your scum games to mine. It's rather insulting.

Where? I ISOed you and saw nothing.

Thinker who is scum?

Apparently I am by virtue of Thinker most definitely surely actually truly being town. Clearly.

Thinker's posting continues to underwhelm. That meta defense was awful.

Yes, exactly my point.
I'm not sure how more obvious my sarcasm could've been in that post, and the fact that you're pretending to have not known it was sarcasm is one of the reasons you're scum.

You edited that quote.
I said "what?" because you were being confusing, I didn't say the Thinker comment in response to you, that's why they were spaced out in the original quote.

I don't recall this at all.

Would I lie about this?

Knowing you, yeah.

[BBmolla]

I'm scum cause I'm voting with a lesser scumread and not wanting to vote with my scumread that I'm way way way more confident in?

LMFAO

[BBmolla]

mastin did you know that I am a human

[BBmolla]

mastin did you know that I am a human

[Drunken Piper]

(belch, in a drunken stupor, DP promises to return to this in the next 48 hours, read start p33)

[Aj The Epic]

Where? I ISOed you and saw nothing.

I guess it wasn't explicitly stated but when Desperado was talking to Uzi about my vote for Rogue leader I responded in post 793:

Spoiler:

@ LUV: It's bad because you are suggesting that AJ as scum would feel pressured to go with the crowd on the Rogue Leader vote when that just isn't true. He doesn't even have to think infinity is scum to justify it either, he just needs to be able to defend what he is declaring as his best townread.

^This is not a risky thing to do as scum and suggesting otherwise is...bad.

And in fact my reason for voting Heartless was neither. I just wanted to see what happens if there was a counterwagon to the rouge leader infinity vote, specifically because I think it was becoming too easy.

That it wasn't that I felt Heartless was scummy (by context of what Desp suggested) but rather I wanted to vote heartless to see what came of it. If nothing else, the way I've talked to Infinity from like post 255 onward should give it away tonally that I read him as town.

Also speaking of which, in my iso run of yours (was searching side by side to find your own townreads), I see you have a mountain of scum reads. Me, Alban (before replace), titus, TTH, Kling, and Luv. And in 508 you say:

I'm waiting until I develop a really solid townread. I don't have a super strong one atm.

Along with some shade tossing towards Aero slot earlier in the game. Got anything for us in terms of townreads? Especially ones that aren't shade tossing at the other end (aka Mastina's)? Like your one explicit town message is 'mastina's reads suck but she's town hurdur'. Funnily PP (mastina's former) was the only explicit townread you had before and your read on her was much the same (derptown). It's a rather condescending end to a read that allows for you to ignore whatever the slot says while townreading them.

And you also have way too many scum reads to actually exist in this game. Even someone like me who focuses on scumreading doesn't even get to the kind of count you have.

[Titus]

Ya, agreed. I will vote Kling whenever wherever.

It wasn't happening tho

Nor was Infinity but jyst because the group isn't smart doesn't require derping

[Titus]

mastin always misreads me though, so that doesn't apply to her. she actually probably "townreads" me more as scum than as town.

I'm pretty sure my ability to correctly read you has gone up with time.

Same with Pine, really.

Objection: Revelance, Appeal to Authority

What does Pine have to do with your ability to read BBMolla?

[Titus]

@ Cakez wagon: who else will you guys lynch? It's stagnating and I don't see anyone trying to push it forward.

Aside from Pine-and-Gin, my current vote?

I'd vote The Thinker.
I've laid out my reasons for why Molla is scum.

I'm pretty sure that's our scumteam: SirCakez, Pine, The Thinker, and Molla, so I'd prefer not to vote outside of there.
MASSIVELY prefer not to vote outside of there.
Like, you could maybe talk me into spite-voting a more nullish read like LUV, but I'd vote there fully expecting a town flip rather than a scum one.

If you want to lynch scum, lynch Pine.
Else, lynch Cakez.
Else, Molla.
Else, TheThinker.

Weren't you just saying Pine could read BBMolla? Now they're buddies?

[Titus]

vote: thinker

A birthday present. Thank you.

[Titus]

Pine-A-Tonics [2] mastina, Klingoncelt
SirCakez [4] alban, Nero Cain, Lil Uzi Vert, Aj The Epic
mastina [2] Drunken Piper, The Thinker
Lil Uzi Vert [1] Pine-A-Tonics
Aj The Epic [4] SirCakez, BBmolla, Titus, Desperado
The Thinker [2] Infinity 324, Heartlesss
Not Voting - [2] Gamma Emerald, Aeronaut

Rogue Leader Vote:

Desperado (1) Infinity 324,
BBMolla (1): Titus
Infinity 324 (5): Desperado, Drunken Piper, Lil Uzi Vert, Heartless, Mastina
Nero Cain (2): BBmolla, Pine-A-Tonics
Heartless (3): Nero Cain, AJ The Epic, The Thinker, Klingoncelt

Like, this was our last-given VC and I think the votecount here kinda speaks for itself. The SirCakez wagon? Basically while there's the ever so slightest chance of Nero being scum bussing (I don't think so), or LUV being scum bussing (still don't think so), it's town.
Contrast the AJ the Epic wagon, which has SirCakez and Molla voting it back-to-back. Similarly, the Rogue Leader vote has Molla and Pine back-to-back on Nero. A fair sign Nero's probably not scum (I don't think scum would advocate strongly for a scumbuddy to be the Rogue Leader), but also a fair sign that they want to avoid giving it to Infinity, who is pretty damn solidly an all-town wagon.

You'd have to be postulating scum voting back to back, which doesn't happen often.

If that's true, the only reason to be so hapazard is if SC was a scum important role they needed to save.

[Titus]

oh yeah
I also have a one-shot secret vote
if I were scum I'd use it to quickhammer town power approximately 100% of the time

I have my eyes on you.

[Titus]

Infinity
Drunken Piper
Nacho
Aeronaut
AJ the Epic
TWIE

Heartless
Desperado
Titus
Klingoncelt

Nero
LUV

The Thinker
Molla
SirCakez
Pine

Thereabouts. Molla, SirCakez, and TheThinker are all pretty equal; LUV and Nero keep trading places; the lines in the town list are a bit arbitrary and I could place dividers between Drunken Piper-Nacho, Nacho-Aeronaut, Aeronaut-AJ, Heartless-Desperado, Desperado-Titus, and Titus-Klingoncelt; I cold remove the divider between Heartless and TWIE; I could keep the dividers exactly as they are and switch around almost any of the names in most sections; it's a really, really loose approximation.

Why is Aero so high and Heartless so low?

[Heartless]

Infinity
Drunken Piper
Nacho
Aeronaut
AJ the Epic
TWIE

Heartless
Desperado
Titus
Klingoncelt

Nero
LUV

The Thinker
Molla
SirCakez
Pine

Thereabouts. Molla, SirCakez, and TheThinker are all pretty equal; LUV and Nero keep trading places; the lines in the town list are a bit arbitrary and I could place dividers between Drunken Piper-Nacho, Nacho-Aeronaut, Aeronaut-AJ, Heartless-Desperado, Desperado-Titus, and Titus-Klingoncelt; I cold remove the divider between Heartless and TWIE; I could keep the dividers exactly as they are and switch around almost any of the names in most sections; it's a really, really loose approximation.

Why is Aero so high and Heartless so low?

because of jk9++

that's why

[Heartless]

either that or she's oblivious to the fact that i'm faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar past my prime

doubt that though

[Infinity 324]

Thinker who is scum?

Apparently I am by virtue of Thinker most definitely surely actually truly being town. Clearly.

Thinker's posting continues to underwhelm. That meta defense was awful.

Yes, exactly my point.
I'm not sure how more obvious my sarcasm could've been in that post, and the fact that you're pretending to have not known it was sarcasm is one of the reasons you're scum.

Wait what?

Why would scum pretend not to notice sarcasm?

[Infinity 324]

I'm pretty sure that's our scumteam: SirCakez, Pine, The Thinker, and Mo

How often do you guess scumteams on d1?

[Infinity 324]

VC

I'm scum cause I'm voting with a lesser scumread and not wanting to vote with my scumread that I'm way way way more confident in?

LMFAO

One of my favorite scum tactics, making it seem like the arguments against you are ridiculous.

[Infinity 324]

Why is Aero so high

That, and TWIE

[BBmolla]

VC

I'm scum cause I'm voting with a lesser scumread and not wanting to vote with my scumread that I'm way way way more confident in?

LMFAO

One of my favorite scum tactics, making it seem like the arguments against you are ridiculous.

it is ridiculous