In post 168, Sofiel wrote:General reaction: Thanks a lot for the really in-depth responses and the questions you've posed to me. Totally get it. I'm just going to throw my all into it and hope for the best. Thus:
VOTE: Friend Computer
I can't get over the posts. #147 says "Currently think the_end is null scum" feels like a weak contribution and I really cannot get past the fact he hasn't responded to my votes/questions to him at all and his contributions don't seem to add anything. I feel like his posts have allowed him to fly under the radar a bit and I can't get over it - he's not done anything to make him stand out, he's not published a readlist and he's not actively scumhunting. His only vague scumhunting post is one that agrees with a general opinion that is 'the_end' seems a bit scummy. Other players in the game have been more central and the focus has been on them and I think we need to change this. I'm also wondering if this is bussing i.e. the_end is one of my stronger scumreads and Friend is scum trying to distance himself from the_end, but at the same time voting for ssbm because he sees an easy lynch that won't lose his teammate. I really want to get some focus on Friend hence why I'm using this post & i think earlier posts like #166 and previous reads.
I don't feel ssbm is scum despite the wagon and it's notable that FC is voting for them & one of my biggest scumreads. ssbm was a bit pouncy on TB but I feel the explanation of pressing for information is legit & it did give us info that is important and contributed overall to the town. Should be acknowledged that TB was an OMGUS vote and I think lucca isn't scummy enough for me so far to want to lynch him D1.
My reads:
rb, Aero are town-y enough for me to not want to push for a d1 lynch. (NT?)
ssbm, TB , lucca and Zekro are null (Zekro because the buddying argument which still makes sense to me).
Friend and the_end look scummy to me - Friend for reasons detailed above, the_end because it's easy to capitalise on my voting record as a point to vote against and I disagree generally with his readlist (his scum reads are my town reads etc).
I think there's a general rule to have double the amount of scum reads there are scum, so if I did have to point at possible scum I'd want to re-examine TB (bc OMGUS), lucca (for his vote on ssbm which seems opportunistic and worth looking into esp in context of his earlier vote on me which rang the same way - but in previous games I've read I've seen town get scumread for being opportunistic when genuinely trying to scumhunt) and Zekro (buddying argument and the lack of content argument are both balancing out for me atm).
Sofiel's D1 scumreads: FC/end, with secondary consideration of TB/lucca/Zeke
In post 169, Sofiel wrote:Should add I'm voting for Friend because I just feel more sure about him than anyone else. It might seem better strategically to jump on the_end's wagon rather than try and start a new one but Zekro is still null for me and the voters on the ssbm wagon are very questionable for me in regards to my readlist & I'm not sure I fully trust them.
Sofiel's reason for voting FC over end (despite having a better case on end in his read's post above) was that Zeke (the player voting end)
is a null for him
. This is important for later
In post 291, Sofiel wrote: In post 288, Aeronaut wrote:um no. They would be CCed almost immediately, or if they got to a point when we all eventually claim.
Wouldn't it be possible that the people who can CC aren't in thread yet tho? Or am I missing a trick? (Tho to be fair the only people who haven't posted yet are Zekro and the_end
)
Also I don't regret pushing for the lynch because at the end of the day considering this scenario at least we have the information of who was on the wagon for FC, we got the claim from TB/lucca from no NK and we can now approach D2 with a bit more info than we had D1. It's shit that he wasn't scum tho I was rly sure :u
@Lucca: I said we could review if we should or shouldn't lynch Zekro D2 when we have more info. But at the moment yeah Zekro does look suspicious so I *am* going to
VOTE: Zekro to try and put some pressure on him. I kind of took the pressure away D1 by pushing for an FC wagon and if I was Zekro and scum I'd've been thankful for it and would've just kept quiet and let the wagon go on. His post #249 is a strange one but I think it could show he knew FC was town and just wanted to seem sympathetic - like, let's lynch FC as a last resort guys! expecting us to see FC was town and then town-read him for not wanting to kill a town player??
Sofiel votes Zeke here, despite never having announced a shift in his read on end, or having made any sort of interaction with end that may have helped Sofiel sort end into a town slot. He also lumps Zeke and end together at the top of the post so he's clearly aware of them but doesn't take the chance to ask anything of them in this post to sort which is more likely scum for him.
Sofiel also votes Zeke in this post, followed by:
In post 293, the_end wrote:VOTE: zekro
If I'm understanding the TB/lucca thing correctly, zekro is scum.
ssbm, it seems, is back to being pushy. I have my eye on him. I'm waiting for more posts from sofiel to get a better read on him.
end votes Zeke. Now the Zeke wagon has both Sofiel and end on it, and we know Sofiel notices this because in the next post:
In post 294, Sofiel wrote:@the_end can you elaborate on that more? That justification doesn't make much sense to me
Sofiel asks for an explanation of end's vote, without unvoting. Before, Sofiel would not vote the_end when he had to choose between end and FC because end's wagon had a nullread Zeke on it, but now Sofiel should have 2 SRs of Zeke and end, yet the same logic doesn't apply to Zeke's wagon as it did to end's wagon. end is worse than what zeke was to Sofiel - end is a scumread on the same wagon as Sofiel, and before Sofiel would not be on the same wagon as his nullread.
For what it's worth, end never explains his vote to Sofiel and Sofiel doesn't push him any further for reasoning. I feel like if Sofiel actually cared about end's lack of reasoning for his vote, he would have either unvoted or pressed end further.
In post 337, Sofiel wrote:Popping in to avoid prod; I've been busy preparing for a job interview (take it how you will lmao). I'll come in with a better post soon but cop is welcome to check me if they like, would recommend going for more suspect players (ssbm/aero/tb) because I'd rather they get a definite maf read than a town read.
Interesting that TB is calling for the cop to claim tomorrow/that he's been overall conf. town just because he suggested we start a townblock. Would call for more focus on that. But I guess we'll see on D3.
Should add Aero hasn't done anything explicitly scum but accepted townreads make me jumpy because if mafia is one of them they have a free ride to endgame.
Then this post, after I declare intent to hammer but before I hammer, Sofiel sets out his scumreads again, and the_end is mysteriously absent.
