Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I'm dying today or tomorrow so what's the dif?
I know me living to lylo will be over cause scum just kills Gerry and gg me

[Titus]

If we lynch scum today, there's zero need for you to die at all.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I feel like I'm voting scum though?
Like let's say I vote your way and Elb flips town I just die the next day

[Titus]

If I am wrong, yes. I am not though.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

The next 2 days are basically set in stone.

either I die today and elb gets power lynched the next day

elb dies if he's not scum I get power lynched

like wtf do you want me to do

[xSoniaNevermindx]

If I am wrong, yes. I am not though.

In the VC you said I had no need to bus on wouldn't the same thing go for elb also
Like the biggest thing against him was he was a huge counter wagon to Lap at one point

[xSoniaNevermindx]

People who jumped on me for the doctor thing are fucking stupid like why would I fake claim doctor as last scum
I'd be outted right away when I reach 3 way like ???????????? I don't know why you're ignoring logic and just looking at "ROLEBLOCK"

[Titus]

If I am wrong, yes. I am not though.

In the VC you said I had no need to bus on wouldn't the same thing go for elb also
Like the biggest thing against him was he was a huge counter wagon to Lap at one point

Yes. That's why he'd be bussing.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Elb
W/e I know I'm town so better him then me

[Tywin Lannister]

Catching up. I thought someone would've hammered Sonia by now tbh. Now I see Elibrin is the new wagon? Will post after reading.

[Tywin Lannister]

Titus.

Excuse me, but shut the fuck up.

I have what amounts to a probable guilty.

No, you have circumstantial evidence that you interpret as a guilty.

You are all getting sidetracked. These are the FACTS:

1. There was no NK last night.

2. Pine RB'd Sonia

3. Sonia wouldn't claim at L1, and pretended to hammer herself instead

Do I need to repeat these things a few thousand times for players like Titus and Sonia to acknowledge it?

Again, I'll point out the absolute hard facts:

1. There was no NK

2. Sonia was Roleblocked

3. Sonia didn't claim and pretended to hammer herself instead



Sorry Titus, but you not acknowledging that there wasn't a kill last night is beyond belief. Again, there was no kill last night. I'll repeat it: there was no kill last night. Again, there was no kill last night. One more time! There was no kill last night. Hey, guys, guess what didn't happen last night? A scum kill!!!

So Pine roleblocked Sonia and there was no kill last night. There's nothing in the entire game of Mafia that's as sure as this beyond a Cop investigation in a normal that doesn't allow paranoid/naive/insane modifiers, no Godfather, and no other alignment-switching/target switching roles. This is as sure as a lynch as you can get, and Sonia not claiming or acknowledging that there was NO KILL last night is even more damning. Titus not admitting it and going after Elbirbrin only makes me think she's scum Doctor, although that doesn't matter unless Sonia flips scum and game isn't over.

Regardless, Sonia has to go. There was no NK. Elibrin can wait just as much as you think Sonia can tomorrow. AJ can wait too. Sonia got roleblocked and there was no kill. That's hard evidence and nothing anyone has said has even remotely changed my mind.

Actually, Sonia not claiming solidified it for me. She's scum. Any townie would've claimed there. That's fact.

VOTE: Sonia

[Tywin Lannister]

She's a L1. She has every opportunity to still claim, but after not doing so already, I hope somebody quickhammers and ends this game. Stop wasting my time. The game is over folks.

[Tywin Lannister]

VOTE: Elb
W/e I know I'm town so better him then me

Also, Gerry is obv Mason who for some reason can't realize that everyone already knows it. Idk why. His AJ read is just conspiracy theory at this point going against the Sonia roleblock and no NK.

Titus going after Elb and calling the roleblock of Sonia and no NK 'circumstantial evidence' makes me think there ARE 5 scum, and Titus is the 5th. We will know after Sonia flips scum and game is over or not. If not, quicklynch Titus ftw. No sane townie would argue against the Pine roleblock of Sonia and no NK. That's so obvious that only scum would argue otherwise. Titus would want to mislynch Elb, then NK probably Gerry with the 50-50 shot of Pine not blocking her or Sonia. Then they both would try to fool AJ/Pine into lynching me, which is quite possible. That's how scum 'could' win still if there are still two left.

Now, if there's only one scum in Sonia, it's game over anyway, so idk why it isn't just admitted and ended. Due to that, I have a suspicion of 5 scum. It doesn't really matter unless games not over after Sonia flips scum, but it's something to be wary of. Elb isn't scum IMO, and even if he is, Pine blocked Sonia and no NK. There's no other choice.

Also, Sonia didn't claim and pretended to hammer. Any townie would've claimed there. Only scum wouldn't.

[Tywin Lannister]

If I am wrong, yes. I am not though.

In the VC you said I had no need to bus on wouldn't the same thing go for elb also
Like the biggest thing against him was he was a huge counter wagon to Lap at one point

Yes. That's why he'd be bussing.

Why was there no NK last night? You believe Pine blocked Sonia, or you'd call him scum. So you admit Sonia was blocked, but won't admit why there was no NK. You can't be this dense.

Also, why haven't you demanded a claim from either Sonia or Elb? This is crunch time, yet no claim?

Also, why do you think Elb bussed yesterday, yet Sonia couldn't have?

Pretty obvious that Sonia is scum here, so you not admitting it is very, very, very scummy. If the game doesn't end with her scum flip, you know you're next, right?

You've made your play here, and it failed. You can't make a no NK roleblock of Sonia disappear. There's nothing you could've done to change that. It's not an ability or skill thing anymore. It's game mechanics. You can't lie your way out of it.

[Elbirn]

This is me not hammering even though I probably should

I would like a sonia claim doe

[Elbirn]

Did no one like my babbling about pine? I might not have expressed myself clearly enough there but uhh pine is tricksy scum and we should be lynching there

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Can I hammer myself?

[Elbirn]

You could but that's really dumb from either alignment imo.

Vote pine, it's real easy just follow the beat

VOTE: Pine

[Elbirn]

Here's my newfound issue with the case of sonia-scum though

Why does she bus nero and hard-defend tywin yesterday when he could have easily been lynched instead? Me and Pine wanted his head on a stick, she could have voted him, tywin might have gone Loco and self hammered or maybe aj would have hopped on or if absolutely necessary BOTH scum could have done the deed.

But she doesn't, when bussing really doesn't make sense.

Pine's flip to reading sonia-scum was kinda iffy as well, and idk why he blocks there

And yeah the town has too much power and idk why would we have a roleblocker on top of all else? What is pine blocking in this setup? The motion detector? And jailkeeper makes so much more sense for town.

Pedit: Tywin im glad you prevented me from posting this travesty by interrupting me, there's more to say

The mod error seems to confirm a roleblock/doctor protect that didn't get calculated and a flip happened that shouldn't.

There is no doctor claim

....So there must be a roleblocker which must be pine.

If he were town I'd expect that, given him claiming to have blocked tywin, and there clearly being a mistake re:protections, shouldn't that make tywin conf scum from his perspective?

But be doesn't out that or even stick to tywin 100% the following day like he's got a guilty. And it sure doesn't make sense that there's 2 instances of two different people being roleblocked resulting in no kill. Tywin and sonia aren't both scum.

He's scum claiming his actual role?

He claimed he blocked tywin N3, but what if he blocked alisae the vig but Cephrir fucked that up. Who was in alisae's vig pool that night?

I know it's long and convoluted but everyone read this again pls

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Do what I wanted to do from the start? Shocker
VOTE: Pine

[Aj The Epic]

Daily reminder that if Pine was scum in this gambit, he fully expected not to win.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Daily reminder if I'm scum I did the must sub optimal bs this whole game (I do that as scum but doing it in a large? ehhhh)

[Elbirn]

Daily reminder that if Pine was scum in this gambit, he fully expected not to win.

"I roleblocked sonia she's scum"
"Shucks she flipped town? *shrug* I guess scum no killed that night let's move on"


I mean he needs three mislynches. Where was he getting them before this? He needs to make sonia lynch able and this trick did it. Without this...what, we lynch you, then me, then how is he getting sonia or tywin lynched in 3p lylo with those two?

[gerryoat]

elbrin makes sense. i'd rather not lynch him

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Idk why me not claiming makes me scummy do you really think I'd be self voting this whole tIme if I was a pr lol I'm Vanilla Town