Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

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VOTE: NoLynch
I suggest following me.

I'm noticing a pattern.

Pine, thoughts?

[Human Sequencer]

So uh
We no lynch every day
Get to lylo
And have nothing to determine everybody's alignments by because nobody's said anything

no thx

[Human Sequencer]

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VOTE: NoLynch
I suggest following me.

I'm noticing a pattern.

Pine, thoughts?

VOTE: One Punch Vanilla Townie

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I think there's probably a scum between RC and Fire. I think there' probably a scum in the Alz-Human-Cloud-Alisae cluster.

Gerryoat and Lycan, can you expand on Human and Cloud, respectively?

Cloud, why Fire?

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

Woah bucko, lets not get hasty!

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

I think there's probably a scum between RC and Fire. I think there' probably a scum in the Alz-Human-Cloud-Alisae cluster.

Why?
Without posting to post, why is there scum in Fire or RC? Day 1 situations like this normally land TvT. As it stands their both NAI for me, what stood out for you in particular?
I don't care about the Cloud Human situation yet though.

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I suggest following me.

I'm noticing a pattern.

Pine, thoughts?

VOTE: One Punch Vanilla Townie

I subbed into a town slot after 1-shot had let it get up to L-1. If it weren't D3, I'd have maybe understood it as a policy lynch. Anyway, he started that game suggesting no lynch too. Made a grand total of 17 posts in three game days, mostly shady, and then finally failed to pick up a prod. Pine was scum that game, and was able to use it as an easy "scum-hunting" cover.

I realize I'm working off a very small sample size, but this déjà vu just makes me want to write him off as a genuine troll. I don't think it would even matter what his alignment is.

for reference http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8547279

[CloudKicker]

I think there's probably a scum between RC and Fire. I think there' probably a scum in the Alz-Human-Cloud-Alisae cluster.

Gerryoat and Lycan, can you expand on Human and Cloud, respectively?

Cloud, why Fire?

because its alisae's vote

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I think there's probably a scum between RC and Fire. I think there' probably a scum in the Alz-Human-Cloud-Alisae cluster.

Why?
Without posting to post, why is there scum in Fire or RC? Day 1 situations like this normally land TvT. As it stands their both NAI for me, what stood out for you in particular?
I don't care about the Cloud Human situation yet though.

Because of the pouting. I think if it was TvT, things would escalate until they were either both sorted or one lynched. At least, that's what I see in TvT most often. They're just sitting there with votes on each other, being passive-aggressive. I'm not sure which one (maybe there are two anti-town teams?) but it really looks to me like at least one of them is walking the line between saving face, and not pushing it too far. If I just went by the altercation, I'd say the scum is Fire, but the aftermath is seeing a fair amount of petulance from RC.

p-edit: are you townreading Alisae, then? If so, why?

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To clarify, the p-edit was aimed at CloudKicker

[CloudKicker]

I think there's probably a scum between RC and Fire. I think there' probably a scum in the Alz-Human-Cloud-Alisae cluster.

Why?
Without posting to post, why is there scum in Fire or RC? Day 1 situations like this normally land TvT. As it stands their both NAI for me, what stood out for you in particular?
I don't care about the Cloud Human situation yet though.

Because of the pouting. I think if it was TvT, things would escalate until they were either both sorted or one lynched. At least, that's what I see in TvT most often. They're just sitting there with votes on each other, being passive-aggressive. I'm not sure which one (maybe there are two anti-town teams?) but it really looks to me like at least one of them is walking the line between saving face, and not pushing it too far. If I just went by the altercation, I'd say the scum is Fire, but the aftermath is seeing a fair amount of petulance from RC.

p-edit: are you townreading Alisae, then? If so, why?

Im not sure where i suggested that i townread alisae

[Human Sequencer]

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Oh, I thought you meant 1SVT had claimed miller as scum before.
Eh.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

Because of the pouting. I think if it was TvT, things would escalate until they were either both sorted or one lynched. At least, that's what I see in TvT most often. They're just sitting there with votes on each other, being passive-aggressive. I'm not sure which one (maybe there are two anti-town teams?) but it really looks to me like at least one of them is walking the line between saving face, and not pushing it too far. If I just went by the altercation, I'd say the scum is Fire, but the aftermath is seeing a fair amount of petulance from RC.

Why do you rule out the SvS? I really don't think it's the case but neither do you obviously.
I also don't really like your reasoning, however you must have experience to think of it this way. Can you supply a game with the scenerio of TvT above to a game of TvS?
I will have give you the FoS as I really hate such early comments on alignments in these situations.

[CloudKicker]

Because of the pouting. I think if it was TvT, things would escalate until they were either both sorted or one lynched. At least, that's what I see in TvT most often. They're just sitting there with votes on each other, being passive-aggressive. I'm not sure which one (maybe there are two anti-town teams?) but it really looks to me like at least one of them is walking the line between saving face, and not pushing it too far. If I just went by the altercation, I'd say the scum is Fire, but the aftermath is seeing a fair amount of petulance from RC.

Why do you rule out the SvS? I really don't think it's the case but neither do you obviously.
I also don't really like your reasoning, however you must have experience to think of it this way. Can you supply a game with the scenerio of TvT above to a game of TvS?
I will have give you the FoS as I really hate such early comments on alignments in these situations.

1-Shot Can you justify your need to force a no lynch ? This is one of my pet peeves

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Im not sure where i suggested that i townread alisae

Cloud, why Fire?

because its alisae's vote

Why would you sheep him if you're not townreading him?

[CloudKicker]

Im not sure where i suggested that i townread alisae

Cloud, why Fire?

because its alisae's vote

Why would you sheep him if you're not townreading him?

I suggest you read the game then

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Because of the pouting. I think if it was TvT, things would escalate until they were either both sorted or one lynched. At least, that's what I see in TvT most often. They're just sitting there with votes on each other, being passive-aggressive. I'm not sure which one (maybe there are two anti-town teams?) but it really looks to me like at least one of them is walking the line between saving face, and not pushing it too far. If I just went by the altercation, I'd say the scum is Fire, but the aftermath is seeing a fair amount of petulance from RC.

Why do you rule out the SvS? I really don't think it's the case but neither do you obviously.
I also don't really like your reasoning, however you must have experience to think of it this way. Can you supply a game with the scenerio of TvT above to a game of TvS?
I will have give you the FoS as I really hate such early comments on alignments in these situations.

Obviously, I didn't rule SvS out. I just don't think they'd do that on the same team. The link I provided about you includes a TvS example, actually (Garmr and Pine). This one is TvT (Shadow and Eager) http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68600. If you're not just a troll, and you think my reasoning is scummy, an FOS isn't going to cut it.

p-edit: Cloud, "he made me lol" doesn't give you magic underwear. Unless there's an actual game mechanic forcing you to vote where Alisae is voting, you remain accountable for your votes.

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VOTE: NoLynch
I suggest following me.

I'm noticing a pattern.

Pine, thoughts?

Why are you asking Pine specificly?

[CloudKicker]

Yea but im voting fire because ali voted him, i didnt say i townread ali, i am accountable for my vote. All of this isnt mutually exclusive

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

1-Shot Can you justify your need to force a no lynch ? This is one of my pet peeves

I'm sorry that this is one of your pet peeves.

[CloudKicker]

1-Shot Can you justify your need to force a no lynch ? This is one of my pet peeves

I'm sorry that this is one of your pet peeves.

Its how bad players play

[CloudKicker]

1-Shot Can you justify your need to force a no lynch ? This is one of my pet peeves

I'm sorry that this is one of your pet peeves.

Still want to understand your reasoning, im expecting a nai answer tho

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Obviously, I didn't rule SvS out. I just don't think they'd do that on the same team. The link I provided about you includes a TvS example, actually (Garmr and Pine). This one is TvT (Shadow and Eager) viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68600. If you're not just a troll, and you think my reasoning is scummy, an FOS isn't going to cut it.

p-edit: Cloud, "he made me lol" doesn't give you magic underwear. Unless there's an actual game mechanic forcing you to vote where Alisae is voting, you remain accountable for your votes.

My apologies, my wording there was incorrect. Why isn't it same team SvS?

Can you pin point exactly where Gamma and Pine headbutt until 1 is lynched? I don't fancy going through the game right now.

You reasoning for calling me a troll is simply bad anyway. You base 1 style of comment in a game as "troll". Also, if I feel that I want to FoS you, I'm going to FoS you. I'm not sure you get to make the choice here as what you are doing is exactly what scum like to do.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

1-Shot Can you justify your need to force a no lynch ? This is one of my pet peeves

I'm sorry that this is one of your pet peeves.

Still want to understand your reasoning, im expecting a nai answer tho

I'll wait for others to discuss the situation first, then I'll put your question first.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

Its how bad players play

I wouldn't consider having a pet peeve making you a bad player. But I'm not here to debate that.