Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Titus]

Mastina, until you address the substance of my argument, I am not reading your word vomit.

[Aj The Epic]

I guess my main issue with molla being scum is why he didn't just claim VT. He'd still know he'd been vanillaized if he really was a VT because of the special power.

Scum!molla doesn't necessarily know if a VT gets a message

[Infinity 324]

I guess my main issue with molla being scum is why he didn't just claim VT. He'd still know he'd been vanillaized if he really was a VT because of the special power.

Scum!molla doesn't necessarily know if a VT gets a message

I'm pretty sure he would. You would have to know if suddenly you couldn't use your special ability anymore...

[PeregrineV]

I actually tried to use an action but was reminded I was vanillaized

We have no way of knowing if you were actually vanilliaized, correct?

Or is this confirmable somehow?

[Infinity 324]

No it's not confirmable unless someone rolecops him or smth

[Titus]

I guess my main issue with molla being scum is why he didn't just claim VT. He'd still know he'd been vanillaized if he really was a VT because of the special power.

Scum!molla doesn't necessarily know if a VT gets a message

That's something a mod would answer more likely than not.

[Heartless]

Maybe they change details. Maybe they omit details. Scum have an ability only scum would ever have? That might be absent from the town version of their claim. But they keep it as close to the theme material as possible. They match safeclaims as closely to the original as possible.

Can someone else verify this?

yes

mastin is right on this count

[Nero Cain]

Like Pine had a role that publicly outs his action.

Yes. Which...he would only need to use if there were no scum on the rogue crew.
If there was a scum on the rogue crew, suddenly, Pine doesn't need to use his power at all.
And then, all of a sudden, Pine never gets the suspicion on them.

That. simple.

Heartless

DID

state who she wanted in the crew.

Heartless wasn't the only candidate for Rogue Leader. Infinity and I believe Desperado were also D1 candidates. Notably, I was voting for Infinity as Rogue Leader--NOT Heartless.

infinity if you were rogue leader would you put pine on the rogue team?

Probably not.

I'd probably do me mastin desp or me desp and a scummish/null player

.

^This, and this alone, would be incentive enough to NOT assume Pine would use the ability.

Infinity, at the time of 780, was the vote leader for rogue leader. I was voting him. And he was interested in placing me in the rogue crew.
By that point, I had already made it clear I had a hard-on for a Pine lynch.

So again.
Fuck you.

My point about chronology stands.

Rhetoric. The fact that Infinity was up for RL at one point and wanted others has shit all to do with anything.

nfinity, Nacho, Desperado, and Aeronaut are my choices.

this is the only post that's even relevant here b/c you know, that was the RL.

[Heartless]

Feel like I'm talking to a brick wall but here goes.

no no no

i UNDERSTAND what you're trying to sell just fine.

i'm just not buying it for a second. who softens a hard townread on the say-so of a mixed read and a null read? nobody (nobody town anyway). no sale.

and you didn't even bother to ask nero or pv for a specific game that illustrated their point so don't try to give me anything about deference

[Nero Cain]

in our first game together in over two years

So you haven't played with Pine in over two years and you just remember everything about his play?

[Heartless]

cake plz vote zefiend
mastin plz vote zefiend

[Aj The Epic]

VOTE: zefiend

I'm fine with this

[Infinity 324]

I'm tired today again, tomorrow I'll put more effort into this game. For now I'll summarize my townreads on mastin and titus. Titus first:

For titus, I don't really see the motivation for playing dumbtown here. You know you will get at least some heat for it, and you will end up having very little influence on other people. As opposed to how I've seen her play scum, which is very manipulative, very logical, and very effective. I think a lot of times it's a guessing game whether people can correctly identify scum pretending to be dumb town, so playing that way is leaving a lot up to chance and giving up a lot of control. I don't think that is in titus's personality. This post I actually found very genuine:

If you fuckers are going to lynch Molla, that will make this game unplayable for me in most regards. I am bet my life levels of confident Molla is town, and I lack the time or inclination to read through mountains of garbage when the truth is obvious.

So tell me, who the fuck will take out the trash of Infinity and Nero along with them not playing Pants on Head level stupid? Yeah, I would vote that for Rogue Leader. Guess what, my townreads are also my dumb as fuck reads. So yeah, you are not getting my vote for Rogue Leader. No one is. I need to see intelligence and logical coherence, even if I disagree with it to vote Rogue Leader.

For one, it doesn't seem likely that scum would alienate their townreads by calling them all bad, and this at least means titus can't really be buddying molla. Also, the first paragraph reminds me of what I would feel in her position as town.

Also the interactions with pine point to her being town as pere has pointed out.

[PeregrineV]

My biggest issue with your claim is the point in time you came up with your Pine scumread (post 512).

To understand what happened, you need to know the events which transpired: I started reading from about page 18 (that was the spot I noticed that there was a slot up for replacement), until I was caught up to the latest post. (The spot I actually began posting.)

This got me some initial reads, like Drunken Piper and Heartless as town and I believe Pine/SirCakez both as scum. I lacked a lot of game context though.

Then, I went back to the beginning of the game, both for the value of the RVS and to fix that issue.
And started reading chronologically.

And there, you can track which page I was on with my thoughts by the quotes before, after, and during statements. For instance, Molla became a scumread on some page--I didn't quote it, but he did a series of postings around one page in particular which made me think, "This looks like Molla as scum". You conveniently put quotes here, and from memory I believe it came in that 236 - 254 range.

Meanwhile, Pine tries to open dialogue with you in 517, never before talking to you or mentioning your name.

No fucking shit?
I wasn't in the game, PeregrineV.
I'm a replacement.

It's a little fucking hard to talk about a player who's not in the game yet, now, isn't it?

Pine started talking to me the moment I actually entered the game. My SLOT is mentioned in their iso, though. Admittedly, only once, in 280, but it's there.

Meanwhile, neither head of the hydra tries really hard to break you from your read, nor do they try to engage you that I can see.

What the fuck are you reading?
Pine was constantly. CONSTANTLY. Saying, "Oh, lol, mastina's wrong again". Gin engaged me multiple times and said, "mastina is wrong". You want to get into this quote war, you WILL FUCKING LOSE because yes while I may not have been QUOTING many of Pine's posts, I sure as fuck wasn't blind to them and was reading each and every one of them remembering them QUITE well so I know

damn

good and well you're spewing bullshit here.

If your sure Pine is scum based on his 5 posts, yet the Gin side does nothign to affect your read?

Why would it?

Gin's posts were null-at-best to me. Some of what Gin said was scummy, some of it was null, none of it was really town.

Whereas Pine. You know. The head I have the game history with. Was scumposting at every step of the way and I KNEW it was his scumposting. I had the game experience to call it what it was.

Welcome toReck's Restrospecitve Rehash.

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ChannelDeliBird busses Nexus in post 168. CDB rides that to win the game.

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I read a few of your posts, and felt it was your scum game. It was.

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Right now, I think this is your scum game, based both on your posting, and general scumplay in the past that is highly similar.

[PeregrineV]

SirCake into the scumpile also.

Yes, he is, and I'd be happy to bus him if you'd vote with me there! Push come to shove, if nothing else.

Let's see it.

Vote: SirCakez

[PeregrineV]

And I need you to stick with it, since you called SirCake as scum by post 16.

[SirCakez]

I guess my main issue with molla being scum is why he didn't just claim VT. He'd still know he'd been vanillaized if he really was a VT because of the special power.

I could see him thinking that he would be believed more with a PR claim.

cake plz vote zefiend
mastin plz vote zefiend

Titus will get away though <.<

[Aj The Epic]

Are you really that confident about Titus?

Like zefiend has been... slightly more high key about his alignment with his flailing.

[Heartless]

Titus will get away though <.<

no don't give me that

zefiend is scum. you see it. i see it.

let's get this done.

[Nero Cain]

Like zefiend has been... slightly more high key about his alignment with his flailing.

I'd argue that flailing is 10x more likely to come from town than scum.

Like ok, I can understand the argument that he's fence sitting scum but its just meh since I think that's fairly null. I do kinda like Heartless' thing about him being so quick to rethink his Mastin read but idk...I'm on the fence. Can you guys nom me for a scummy? I think I'm the first scum player with a green pm and that's maybe Kodak moment worthy...

[Nero Cain]

If efiend gets lynched and flips town then you guys are going to be sheeping me on Titus and if I'm dead you guys are still going to be lynching Titus.

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 3.06

Titus [2] Nero Cain, Sircakez
Nero Cain [1] Titus
Aj the Epic [1] BBMolla
BBmolla [1] Mastina
SirCakez [1] PeregrineV
Infinity 324 [1] zefiend
zefiend [3] Infinity 324, Heartless, Aj the Epic


Not Voting - [3] TheWayItEnds, Drunken Piper, BBmolla,

With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 To Lynch.

Rogue Leader Vote:

Infinity 324 (1) Aj The Epic
Drunken Piper (2) Infinity 324, Sircakez

Mod Notes - May the flavor be with you.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2017-02-13 05:26:20)!

[Nero Cain]

Heartless if you think zefiend is scum shouldn't both of your votes be there?

[Firebringer]

~grumble~

[Nero Cain]

What a skrub mod.