Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[JaeReed]

Ugh.

I'm starting to doubt myself thinking more around the wagons. Especially Alisae's.

If Ali is town, wouldn't he know that he's the counterwagon to Transcend, or at worst if Transcend is town and Ali is town then there's scum on his wagon? So either

1) why move off transcend onto Elena because it's likely Transcend is scum if Ali is town or
2) If Ali did move off transcend, shouldn't Ali be looking for someone on his own wagon? Elena wasn't one of those people.

Maybe Alisae and Elena are opposite scum to each other and Transcend is actually town. I really don't see a scenario in which Ali is scum and Transcend AND Elena are town.

UNVOTE:

WHY would you do this after everything I've done to shift that wagon. WHY.

Yes, Alisae is fucking lynchbait for this shit. She's.Not.Scum.

[Transcend]

Why can't you claim now btw

[Fro99er]

Jae, relax.

I'm trying to figure out why Ali says she trusts transcend and yet thinks Transcend can't be town.

Transcend is still the person who I think is most likely to flip scum of the three. But I want some answers so things are more clear after there's a lynch and night actions.

[Fro99er]

And we're not lynching Ali today. I already said that even after I asked ali those questions. I just want some answers.

[Fro99er]

Jae.

Breathe for a minute and THINK about why I would want some answers. Just THINK.

[JaeReed]

Yea froggy. I'm town here and i get the feeling you just don't like my posting style / scumhunting techniques.

Buddying attempt.

I have no idea why you're voting with me btw

The foundation of Alisae's scum read on me as far as i remember was him fosing me for voting with Zach who i (formerly) scum read. In 5961, Alisae goes to do the same thing that i did. What he did isn't scummy independently, but him making a big stink about it then doing exactly the same thing looks damning.

Switch gears into moving the Alisae wagon back by throwing some shade back Alisae's way. This is scumposting. He's seeing Frog's paranoia and feeding into it and posturing up for another Alisae lynch. Remember that scum want me full claimed at this point so they know whether or not to shoot me, and they know that an Alisae wagon is the best way to do that.

Truth be told

I'm not exceedingly confident Elena will be a scum flip anymore

I mean there's a good chance due to VCA/Gerry interactions but I actually liked her defense but mostly confbiased through it still.

More posturing and readying to jump back to an Alisae push.

[Transcend]

Did i ever vote Alisae

Did i ever say let's run up Alisae

I did neither of those

And I'm still happy with my vote on Elena but I'm less confident it ends in a scum flip than i was say yesterday.

[Fro99er]

Yeah Jae is town. My strongest townread outside of the confirmeds, unless this is some really horrible gambit by Jae or Jae/Ali together.

I just don't see how Jae could be a PR (as it appears), Jaack a vig, three masons and Yoshi a town PT Cop. Really lets me believe Yoshi is opposite scum to Cloud.

VOTE: Transcend

[Transcend]

Well

It was nice while it lasted

[JaeReed]

Did i ever vote Alisae

Did i ever say let's run up Alisae

I did neither of those

And I'm still happy with my vote on Elena but I'm less confident it ends in a scum flip than i was say yesterday.

No, you did worse. You threw shade without voting. You implied a scumread without explicitly stating it.

Then when called out on it you backtracked with this defense, which is so obviously scum it actually enrages me that you haven't been lynched yet.

[Transcend]

Errr

There's a reason i didn't vote Alisae

[Fro99er]

Errr

There's a reason i didn't vote Alisae

And that is?

[Transcend]

Bc he's getting clear or whatever and i have no idea why it's going to take a night, but whatever

[Fro99er]

We should lynch transcend and get the vig/check shots in order

[Zachstralkita]

I'm not exceedingly confident Elena will be a scum flip anymore

DEPART


FROM


ME

I

NEVER

KNEW


YOU

[JaeReed]

Bc he's getting clear or whatever and i have no idea why it's going to take a night, but whatever

So then there's no town motivation to shadethrow or posture as though you'll jump on it if it does get run up. What that does is show indirect support for a lynch, in an attempt to make the rest of the players feel like there's a lot of support there and solid reasonings to move back there despite everything. It's slimy as fuck.

The whole point is Transcend was trying to feed Frog's paranoia there hoping he'll hard push it and start up the wagon again despite my claim. He wasn't going to push the mislynch because that would cause heavy blowback but he sure as hell wanted it to happen as evidenced by his posting. His posts there are the definition of manipulative.

I also dislike the whole "why not claim now" spiel instead of just leaving it when I already said I'd claim tomorrow. Like there's obviously reasons I don't want to claim or I would have already.

[Elena Fisher]

I've had a few doubts on my transcend read myself but the biggest points mostly on how hard this is of a wagon and the blatant contradicts with his play makes me think he's scum If he's not I should 100% eat a bullet

[Fro99er]

so if Transcend flips town we vig Elena and check who?

If transcend flips scum we vig who and check who?

[Alisae]

Trans I'm gonna trust you on this one:
VOTE: Elena

Wait...

how can you trust trans if you don't see a world in which you're town together?

Multiball

[Alisae]

Did i ever vote Alisae

Yes you did.

[Alisae]

Ali, if Transcend has to be scum, according to you, why are you trying to get a claim out of someone who wasn't even on your wagon?

Multiball
Scum can be hunting scum.

[Fro99er]

then vote transcend

[Alisae]

VOTE: Transcend
Ok

[Fro99er]

inb4 Gerry says you're sheeping again

[kuror0]

got home rdy to vote transc but no votecount so I will wait. claim transc tho I thought you said you were VT.