Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)

[Creature]

Votecount 1.6

Votecount 1.6

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[1] BlueBloodedToffee - KainTepes
[0] nydushermain
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[0] KainTepes
[0] Lowell
[1] Hiraki - Toto
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula

[L-2]

[5] nebula - Sesq, MagnaofIllusion, Hawk, Riley Cake, Elena Fisher
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: nydushermain

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

[Music Box]

Music Box - I thought he was voting me as a counter to nebula but

seems to think I'm scum with again,

seemingly no reason behind it.

What did you mean to say in the bolded bit?

As for reason, you've been evasive in your responses to me for a start; 84 seemed too defensive and too careful about your vote for Toto, but without actually saying why you voted him; 129 using the 'look, he did it too' diversion tactic. Not going to write out a full case as I think most of it has already been covered in the thread.

And there's a difference between him voting me as a counter to neb (but placing me at null or something) and voting me for being scum.

I wouldn't have voted you if I had you as null. Not unless we were close to deadline, which we aren't.

[Music Box]

I'd think you'd be more concerned about who I'm voting today instead of tomorrow

I've already made my decision on nebula so wasn't so interested in that. But looking back I see you haven't explained why you're voting him. So why?

[Riley Cake]

VOTE: KAIN TEEPS!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: KAIN TEEPS!!!!!!!!!

SELF VOTING IS SCUMMY!!!!!

[Riley Cake]

KAINTEPES IS ACTING SILLY TO AVOID GETTING LYNCHED!!! I AM ONTO YOU K T!!!

[Elena Fisher]

I'd think you'd be more concerned about who I'm voting today instead of tomorrow

I've already made my decision on nebula so wasn't so interested in that. But looking back I see you haven't explained why you're voting him. So why?

I saw a few posts I disliked it was like he was trying to come off as stubborn and not help the town if he wants to be anti town and scummy I'll vote him.
Pedit: Oh dear

[Riley Cake]

I don't think he's dismissing it, just wanting to move on because he finds that particular reasoning bad and I think now town reading you for said push. He probably sees what I see. It's just probably going to create more noise. All it has been so far is a he said she said situation. Neither one of you can convincingly prove to the other and everyone else whether there was a soft claim or not.

[Riley Cake]

NUUUU! why are ya answering REDbula's questions for him??? Are ya defending him or something??? grrrrr

[Riley Cake]

I claimed early because you asked if I'm scum. I suppose a VT claim wasn't necessary to answer your question, but oh well, it's done.

NUUUU!!! IF YOU'RE TOWN WHY'DJA SAY YOU WERE VT INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING YOU WERE TOWNIE? HURH?

that just helps scum find the secret powers easier! or are you mafia? I think ya are!! I'll gobble ya up right after I eat kaintepes!!!!!

[Elena Fisher]

I will policy lynch Riley at any point in the game without question btw

[Riley Cake]

You didn't refute. Noted

so ya think magna's the kinda cutie to hide from someone if he can't tell 'em why they're wrong?

no-oooope!!! magna loooves talking! And that's a good thing! I lile talking to my friends too! The thing is, when people ask me questionsies, I gotta respond! And even if I'm secretly mafia and wanna kill them, I gotta respond too or they'll get even more suspicious!

*narrows eyesies* so why would a chatterbox like magna just ignore ya instead of saying somethin' easy about how he was scumreadin' ya? I think this is a MADE UP ACCUSATION!!!!

[nydushermain]

Sorry guys, I accidentally spread myself wayyyy too thin in terms of number of games I'll try to at least skim through this thread.

[Riley Cake]

Yes - I took the deal! Especially when I said sure! I was always going to commit to a deal that I stated was flawed in the same post! Yes! How caught am I?!?!?

nopie!! Ya said you thought the post was a trap laid by toto! But toto didn't spring it!!! So it wasn't a trap!

Pwetend I'm a dumb bimbo, okway? An' tell me what's wrong with Toto's dealio!

[Riley Cake]

I will policy lynch Riley at any point in the game without question btw

policy? what are ya, a politician?

[Riley Cake]

@mod mod moddie! bbt's on kaintepes with me! Not sesq!

We are flash wagoning kaintepes!!! Nuuu, not like that! Get ya mind outta the gutter!

[Riley Cake]

But I'll hammer sesq too if ya put her at L-1

[Hawk]

Hey guys I'm still here. Will post a catchup later today. I've actually been really sick IRL and haven't had much time to post.

But from just skimming the last two pages this game with both Riley and KT might just drive me insane

[nydushermain]

Hey guys I'm still here. Will post a catchup later today. I've actually been really sick IRL and haven't had much time to post.

But from just skimming the last two pages this game with both Riley and KT might just drive me insane

THIS. I took a break from trying to catch up earlier when I met Riley's posts.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

NUUUU! why are ya answering REDbula's questions for him??? Are ya defending him or something??? grrrrr

Those questions were for me..

I will policy lynch Riley at any point in the game without question btw

Not on my watch.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Riley

– I asked you a question in 331 . Please answer it. You did say you love talking …

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I will policy lynch Riley at any point in the game without question btw

Perhaps scum as well …

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Nebula’s 403 makes me very content with my vote. Rather than make it any easier for Town to properly identify that his posting is from a scum perspective he goes to “generic comment” mode with a nice side of “Appeal to Repetition” thrown in for good measure.

The fact that one of the few actual quotes he used specifically shows it isn’t coming from a Town perspective (which Toto immediately pointed out and Nebula could never adequately answer) is icing on the cake.

In an effort to be less distracting - I'm done responding to Sesq and Toto for the rest of D1.

Thanks, both.

Translation – I don’t want to be lynched and put my Mafia partners at a huge disadvantage going into Night 1 so I’m going to disengage.

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We've definitely crossed paths - I took a hiatus for the end of 2015 and most of 2016. Most of our games are from 2012.

Hmmm … I didn’t realize you were a 2010 join date. Thanks then I will go poking around some old games to get a feel for you as a player.

Why can't he just not be trying to sound like a player with a past meta? There are so many reasons that could be rather than what you're implying.

Now look at who is trying to split hairs. The whole point of a hidden Alt is to break from past meta. Being hidden specifically does that. No need to lie about it one iota. There is not a single reason you have yet to bring up that him saying “Yup, hidden Alt.” doesn’t accomplish that justifies the “LAWYER LAWYER EXACT WORDS LITERAL GENIE” way he answered the direct question.

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What's the point of this wall of text?

To get a further read on you and your playstyle by your reaction. The fact that you didn’t even address the question there and are saying it is a “Wall of Text” isn’t productive IMO.

[Lowell]

VOTE: KAIN TEEPS!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: KAIN TEEPS!!!!!!!!!

SELF VOTING IS SCUMMY!!!!!

What I'm seeing here is riley doesn't want nebula to die and also doesn't want to be one of the last on the wagon when sesq does. The "too obvious" conclusion here is nebula/riley scumpair. I'm going to try not to get all spun up about this, but this is a terrible terrible derailment when there's a L-2 and L-3 at play.

Of course, for that matter, so is Kain Tep's.

[Lowell]

Elena and BBT are town.

[Hawk]

VOTE: KAIN TEEPS!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: KAIN TEEPS!!!!!!!!!

SELF VOTING IS SCUMMY!!!!!

What I'm seeing here is riley doesn't want nebula to die and also doesn't want to be one of the last on the wagon when sesq does. The "too obvious" conclusion here is nebula/riley scumpair. I'm going to try not to get all spun up about this, but this is a terrible terrible derailment when there's a L-2 and L-3 at play.

Of course, for that matter, so is Kain Tep's.

But I'll hammer sesq too if ya put her at L-1

I think the part about Riley not wanting to be last on sesq's wagon is moot here.

Pedit: I'm still gonna do a catchup but why are you town reading BBT? Elena I kinda understand from the little I've skimmed her she seems pretty townie but I'll give better reads later when I get caught up with everyone.

[Sesq]

Music Box - I thought he was voting me as a counter to nebula but

seems to think I'm scum with again,

seemingly no reason behind it.

What did you mean to say in the bolded bit?

As for reason, you've been evasive in your responses to me for a start; 84 seemed too defensive and too careful about your vote for Toto, but without actually saying why you voted him; 129 using the 'look, he did it too' diversion tactic. Not going to write out a full case as I think most of it has already been covered in the thread.

And there's a difference between him voting me as a counter to neb (but placing me at null or something) and voting me for being scum.

I wouldn't have voted you if I had you as null. Not unless we were close to deadline, which we aren't.

What I mean in bold is that you seem not to presented any reasons for your vote thus far. I voted Toto because his early responses were off-putting (but it was not a very strong read), and with the "diversion tactic" post, I also ask where I was coasting along, which I don't think has been answered sufficiently yet.

I claimed early because you asked if I'm scum. I suppose a VT claim wasn't necessary to answer your question, but oh well, it's done.

NUUUU!!! IF YOU'RE TOWN WHY'DJA SAY YOU WERE VT INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING YOU WERE TOWNIE? HURH?

that just helps scum find the secret powers easier! or are you mafia? I think ya are!! I'll gobble ya up right after I eat kaintepes!!!!!

Early claim doesn't mean I'm scum. This is a very juvenile way of looking at things.

I will policy lynch Riley at any point in the game without question btw

policy? what are ya, a politician?

I think she doesn't like your typing style. I'm more bothered by nebula. Oh yeah; lynch him tomorrow when I flip town. Please. Or lynch him today, I have no issues with that.

VOTE: KAIN TEEPS!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: KAIN TEEPS!!!!!!!!!

SELF VOTING IS SCUMMY!!!!!

What I'm seeing here is riley doesn't want nebula to die and also doesn't want to be one of the last on the wagon when sesq does. The "too obvious" conclusion here is nebula/riley scumpair. I'm going to try not to get all spun up about this, but this is a terrible terrible derailment when there's a L-2 and L-3 at play.

Of course, for that matter, so is Kain Tep's.

I think you're taking both of them too seriously.

I know Riley, and she does just kind of act like this, I haven't seen anything suspicious. Hawk brought up a point with Kain's meta I thought was interesting though.

Also @Lowell, why are Elena and BBT town? Back up your reads.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I know Riley, and she does just kind of act like this, I haven't seen anything suspicious. Hawk brought up a point with Kain's meta I thought was interesting though.

How do you know Riley if this is her first game on site again?