Backstabbers Mafia: An Almost Normal Upick (Mini 1876)

[Firebringer]

what, but it's true. remember Anime Upick? and Auction mafia?

pedit: not a she, please. but other than that, you're correct.

1) I was in a hydra in Auction Mafia. I don't remember you saying I was specifically the scummy part of the hydra.

2) Anime you were in a hydra and I think Almost had the scum read on me, now you are saying you did?

[Alisae]

Hydras are cool.

[Not Chara]

what, but it's true. remember Anime Upick? and Auction mafia?

pedit: not a she, please. but other than that, you're correct.

1) I was in a hydra in Auction Mafia. I don't remember you saying I was specifically the scummy part of the hydra.

2) Anime you were in a hydra and I think Almost had the scum read on me, now you are saying you did?

1) i didn't like either of you. and i was reading you based on what i knew of you in Auction mafia. i was wrong. but it's been a while. what i specifically remember is reading you, concluding you were scum, and then not being correct.
2) both of us did. when Almost and i make a vote, we do it together.

look, why would i even lie about this? obviously we remember the situations different, but you

know

i'm not in the practice of lying about past games.

[CloudKicker]

what, but it's true. remember Anime Upick? and Auction mafia?

pedit: not a she, please. but other than that, you're correct.

1) I was in a hydra in Auction Mafia. I don't remember you saying I was specifically the scummy part of the hydra.

2) Anime you were in a hydra and I think Almost had the scum read on me, now you are saying you did?

what, but it's true. remember Anime Upick? and Auction mafia?

pedit: not a she, please. but other than that, you're correct.

1) I was in a hydra in Auction Mafia. I don't remember you saying I was specifically the scummy part of the hydra.

2) Anime you were in a hydra and I think Almost had the scum read on me, now you are saying you did?

1) i didn't like either of you. and i was reading you based on what i knew of you in Auction mafia. i was wrong. but it's been a while. what i specifically remember is reading you, concluding you were scum, and then not being correct.
2) both of us did. when Almost and i make a vote, we do it together.

look, why would i even lie about this? obviously we remember the situations different, but you

know

i'm not in the practice of lying about past games.

This exchange is really genuine, not-chara's isnt exactly AI because its just stuff about another game but still

[Firebringer]

look, why would i even lie about this? obviously we remember the situations different, but you know i'm not in the practice of lying about past games.

this is what i don't get.

you have seen dozens of my town games, i can see you saying "ohh I don't have a read on fire yet", but to say "Fire is always scummy" doesn't seem like real thing to me. Theres other games where you said i was clear and obv town.

Like shiro would often go as scum and say they "reversed read me" every game. Wasn't a thing they actually did as town.

[Not Chara]

are you talking about Evoker? that's the only other game i can think of with you. i did have you as town in that one. but that's it. in Anime, i was scumreading you but concerned about mislynching you a second time. in Evoker you just looked town after some digging.

this game, i haven't gotten there yet. so i said you were probably town since i was scumreading you. that's not the end of my read on you in this game, or anything. but, this whole exchange does make me think you're town.

[Not Chara]

and Evoker wasn't you playing as you normally do, so i wouldn't even count it as an example.

do we even have any other completed games together?

[CloudKicker]

[CloudKicker]

Fire you are annoyingly unable to not nitpick about literraly everything anyone is saying about you but i think youre town

[Firebringer]

Fire you are annoyingly unable to not nitpick about literraly everything anyone is saying about you but i think youre town

your face is a nitpick

[gerryoat]

lol he got you

[Alisae]

Fire your nitpick is a face

[Firebringer]

Fire your nitpick is a face

yes, its called cloud kicker

[CloudKicker]

Fire your nitpick is a face

yes, its called cloud kicker

meanie ;~;

[Titus]

Vote Count 1.9

Pine (0):Nobody
Not Chara (0): Nobody
Alisae (1): CloudKicker
Human Sequencer (1): 1 shot Vanilla Town
Alz (3): Human Sequencer, Firebringer, Not Chara
boring (0): Nobody
Cloudkicker (1): Lycanfire
Lycanfire (1): Radiant Cowbells
1 Shot Vanilla Town (0): Nobody
randomidget (0): Nobody
gerryoat (2): Not Chara, Alisae
RadiantCowbells (1): randomidget
Firebringer (0): Nobody

Not Voting: Pine,boring, Alz, gerryoat

Information

The D1 deadline is at 3:30 PM, Monday Feburary 13, 2017, Pacific Standard Time. That is in (expired on 2017-02-13 15:20:00).
Scum have daychat until Tuesday, January 31, 2017 at 1:49 PM. That is in (expired on 2017-01-31 13:49:00).

May your words come out exactly how you mean them, but if not may they come out how you need. A poorly aimed dagger can morph into a rope.

[Alz]

Alz it really just came off to me as "I'm trying to get you to jump on this."

Hmm, okay. After those interactions with boring and him explaining what's your current read on him.

Fire is just under alisae and looks like obvious town to me, after its 1svt -> boring ->.. .-> human

Why does Human seem town?

so guys, what do i need to do.

for you to join the alz wagon of destiny?

i have already explained this before.

I think alz attempts to engage me with questions were kind of pointless and aimless. his attempts to engage other players feel similar tbh. Then when it concerns opinions it seems he just repeats other sentiments others had.

he is scum pretending to be part of conversation without actually being in it.

Okay dude, I've said it before that those questions were important and not pointless. The fact is that you're continuously just dismissing them like fluff is fuck annoying because they would have honestly helped me get a better read on you. I haven't played with you before, so I have no clue how to read you. Most of the reads I see from others is what I would consider meta or gut reads based on past games, so I can't consider that. Imo, that interaction with RC at the beginning gave a scummy feeling. Your subsequent interactions with me and others have given me that stubborn/scummy vibe. So I dunno, but overall it seems scummy or just being weirdly stubborn.

Where did my attempts to engage other players seem similar?

@Fire

What's your take on the game so far? What are your reads on everyone and why?

Lets put it this way, I don't want to lynch Cloud. I'm thinking more town than not though (Lean town).

I fully agree with the Meta view, and this is the reason I'm trying to not make my judge on him over it. I do think that it has to be considered overall though.

With Human, the RC voting can be a joke, but if it is then Human just appears to be doing nothing in the game during these stages. How about the rest I said about Human? I do notice that you have Human as scum in 641 (Or at least Scum lean).
Human hasn't done anything since my post, although I'm not saying "respond quickly or scum" it does suggest that Human is dodging for the wrong reasons imo.
I do think that your content has greatly increase, and I'm feeling better over this spot.

VOTE: Human

@Lycan 563 - Human is asking for unwanted reads and showing no intention on acting or following up on either questions or reads. Making no effort into solving the game. Vote with me.

Back to Alz - Concerning Fire, I'm not too sure what else to state on this. I've already said I can't read Fire in general, but I'm not getting a scummy opinion.

590 I strongly agree with.
Both RC and Alisae bypassed my posts 564 / 565 and RC just changes vote in 566 from what looks like avoiding pressure from the Boring vote / read. 571 Alisae is still saying that Boring is (was?) trying to apply pressure onto me, but imo it's the nothing like that. It looks like Alisae just has nothing else to comment on so grasping on this topic.

581

@Random - You're going to give me more concerning Human here. What is it exactly that Human knows is going on? Also give me an explanation on a post from Human where they mean what they are posting.

If you're actually wondering why anyone would vote you, it's because you are giving lazy posts like this.

@Cloud - 607 That was a big leap.

611 putting it all down 1 line with 613 saying that scum can't post a comment like that is bad. However, in 613 you say "It doesn't look scum motivated" which is a big difference to being town 100%.

616 why would post that Lycan was softing? Since you already spoke about motives, what are your town motives on this?

You've just done a 180 in my opinion. I'm going to scratch off the town lean now.

I agree with the first read on Cloud. But the 180 part is weird-I don't understand. What about that sentence saying that scum won't usually post a comment like that is a 180?

Regarding Human- The rest of it excluding RC part is his and gerry's interactions at the beginning which I think is non-indicative, him asking gerry for a read on Cloud and the part about him ignoring my read on Cloud after he had asked me twice for it. The later being one of the reason I have him as scummy and that vote on you and mainly something seeming off. I'll do a proper read when I get time.

What's your read on Alisae now based on his reads, the subsequent interaction with boring and the content he's now producing.

[Alisae]

Alz define him.

[Alz]

Not Chara is the only person really questionable so far

VOTE: gerry

to put it very plainly, i don't understand why gerry has any townreads at all. first of all, the original reason for voting him... Alisae, what exactly did you have a problem with?

exaggerated scumslip jokes are technically NAI, sure. but early-game, they're good to press. in DN mafia, Harkonnen (our scumbuddy) made a few, and i'm of the opinion scum are more likely to

think

of doing such a thing.

it also makes no sense that i'm the only one gerry can muster a scumread on. i have 8 posts, and the game is progressing while i'm inactive. really? there's no one else?

i'm the only scumread, but gerry doesn't vote me, or anyone. not even an idle vote, it isn't as though i'm close to lynch or gerry has any interest in pushing me to participate. just calls my vote OMGUS and leaves it at that. it just makes me think gerry doesn't want to be called for the same thing.

The fact that he has town reads is a reason for voting him? I don't think so about the part about scumslip jokes. Wouldn't scum be cautious rather than overconfident and make scumslip jokes?

i dislike random as well.

these two posts from random. the first, a townread on gerry for genuinely trying to sort people. when by gerry's play and his own admission, he isn't really trying this day. it's also a vague read. what posts did you find 'genuine', random?

the second: if it's for pressure, you don't say it's for pressure unless you're feeling compelled to over-explain your reasoning. the 'early PoE' is also how scum thinks. need balanced readlists with scum and town or it looks like you're not playing properly.

sorry if this has already pointed out, i need to read up on what i've missed since last time.

I agree with the second but not the first. Even if gerry says he isn't trying, he did say something and random had read based on that. How does that scummy to you?

Not Chara is the only one I have a read on

What about rest of the entire game? What other reads?

ok. i'm caught up for the most part now. Alz is a townlean. Fire looks scummy, so i have to townread him. usually i acumread town Fire, and i'd like to stop doing that.

So fire read is meta? What reads about everyone else?

[Firebringer]

Okay dude, I've said it before that those questions were important and not pointless. The fact is that you're continuously just dismissing them like fluff is fuck annoying because they would have honestly helped me get a better read on you. I haven't played with you before, so I have no clue how to read you. Most of the reads I see from others is what I would consider meta or gut reads based on past games, so I can't consider that. Imo, that interaction with RC at the beginning gave a scummy feeling. Your subsequent interactions with me and others have given me that stubborn/scummy vibe. So I dunno, but overall it seems scummy or just being weirdly stubborn.

Where did my attempts to engage other players seem similar?

@Fire What's your take on the game so far? What are your reads on everyone and why?

Okay, and I was asking you "why do you care what my reads on those players were?" you didn't sufficiently answer that question.
Because the players you were asking about had posted much and didn't seem to concern you in general, so when I say "seems like a fluff question" its because it really doesn't seem like you cared about those slots.

So you consider my stubborn behavior scummy? Do you generally think a person being stubborn is scum or just in this instance?

ill answer you about my reads later, right now I have a general feel nobody cares about this game and apathy in a mafia is horrible for reading players.

I can say right now.
I don't like you, I don't like RC town read of me.
I don't like Alisae isn't trying.

Not Chara i am iffy on but lean town.

[gerryoat]

Fire trying too hard. Prob maf

[Firebringer]

Fire trying too hard. Prob maf

confirmed

[CloudKicker]

;~; can mefia give me a hint or something ;~;

[Randomnamechange]

Random what's the purpose of the first quote?

i forgot to answer the question.
@gerry It is a character called Annie from League of Legends

[Randomnamechange]

you've played with me before, you should know this is how I work..

i play with a lot of people. it follows you've played with me too, have you drawn any meaningful conclusions from that information?

your slightly awkward early interactions aren't scummy.

in a shocking turn of events, Chara's second scumread is also someone scumreading them. up for a wagon here.

Not Chara is the only one I have a read on

Ur maf l0l

so, random. up for joining the gerry wagon yet? ;>

pedit: Cloud, no, i was starting to like you.

im scumreading you and townreading gerry -_-

Random is my maf partner, I'm safe from him voting me

yeah mate i got you if we bus anyone it's gonna be Alisae

I wish I had a gf

aren't

don't we all

[gerryoat]

bump