Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)

[Creature]

Votecount 1.8

Votecount 1.8

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] nydushermain
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[1] KainTepes - Riley Cake
[0] Lowell
[2] Hiraki - Toto, KainTepes
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula

[L-2]

[4] nebula - Sesq, MagnaofIllusion, Hawk, Elena Fisher
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: nydushermain

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

[Elena Fisher]

I don't really like a Hiraki wagon I do feel like nebula is scum Sesq seems to just feel like clueless town to me with the early claim and the way he's defending himself

[Hawk]

I don't really like a Hiraki wagon I do feel like nebula is scum Sesq seems to just feel like clueless town to me with the early claim and the way he's defending himself

I'm leaning more this way as well. Also not to defend his early claim per say buy Riley did drop intent to hammer if he does reach l-1

[Sesq]

Yes, but unless I was actively hinting at being a PR (i wouldnt) their stance on me would be unchanged. How would this move be scum motivated, though? You can call it suspicious all you like, but of what?

okeydokey! quickie example!!

there be 11 townies, rightsies? and 2 of 'em are PRs!!! soooo if the mafia shoot, they gotta 2 outta elevensies chance to hit the PR!!!! BY LUCK!!!!! that's unfair!!!

but if ya claim VT, then the mafia only have a one outta five chance to hit the PR!!!!! cos they know you aren't PR and won't shoot you!!! well, maybe they might shoot you cos you caught 'em and they wanna make sure ya don't lynch 'em!!!! but unless that's the case, a VT wouldn't claim cos they didn't want the mafia to catch the PR easily!!!!!

The problem with the logic here is that it assumes mafia trusts your VT claim and doesn't think you're lying about your role in effort to avoid being night-killed.

[Toto]

You don't lie about your role if you are town unless you really know what you are doing.

[KainTepes]

just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!

[Sesq]

You don't lie about your role if you are town unless you really know what you are doing.

And this is only my third game

[Toto]

I don't really like a Hiraki wagon I do feel like nebula is scum Sesq seems to just feel like clueless town to me with the early claim and the way he's defending himself

Why are you concerned that he is hard town reading your scumread?

[Sesq]

I don't really like a Hiraki wagon I do feel like nebula is scum Sesq seems to just feel like clueless town to me with the early claim and the way he's defending himself

Why are you concerned that he is hard town reading your scumread?

And with shitty justification

[Toto]

I don't really like a Hiraki wagon I do feel like nebula is scum Sesq seems to just feel like clueless town to me with the early claim and the way he's defending himself

Why are you

NOT

concerned that he is hard town reading your scumread?

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[Elena Fisher]

I don't really like a Hiraki wagon I do feel like nebula is scum Sesq seems to just feel like clueless town to me with the early claim and the way he's defending himself

Why are you concerned that he is hard town reading your scumread?

Where did I say I was concerned?

[Sesq]

I don't really like a Hiraki wagon I do feel like nebula is scum Sesq seems to just feel like clueless town to me with the early claim and the way he's defending himself

Why are you concerned that he is hard town reading your scumread?

Where did I say I was concerned?

He meant why are you NOT concerned

how could you miss this it was the last post

[Elena Fisher]

Ah I was reading down and just a answered and it doesn't matter depends on

why

he scumreads them it has to be genuine and I'll be the judge of that

[Elena Fisher]

In this case he's the judge of me and I don't really care if he townreads him doesn't change my outlook you can have reads that are 100% dif from mine if your actions line up nothing will change

[Toto]

Having different opinions is cool and all, but shouldn't it be at least discussed? He refuses to explain his town read on someone who is very likely about to get lynched. Isn't that weird?

[KainTepes]

just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!

TOTO must be town,,

[Elena Fisher]

Having different opinions is cool and all, but shouldn't it be at least discussed? He refuses to explain his town read on someone who is very likely about to get lynched. Isn't that weird?

Yeah I'd say so

[Music Box]

Hiraki has already said why he's townreading Nebula and Nydus.

[Sesq]

Hiraki has already said why he's townreading Nebula and Nydus.

Yes, but those reasons are incredibly weak. First with nydus, he says that his 248 is "GREAT. A pure TR". He also doesn't link it. He has said nothing else for reasoning regarding nyd being a townread, and not only that but a strong townread, due to his post in reaction to an early-game post of mine.

As for nebula, he repiles to 3 of neb's posts with "goodposting" and nothing else, and puts him at a townread. Nothing else.

So yes, he's said why, but the reasoning is shit for both of them.

[Music Box]

I remember him saying more about nebula, although that may have been just repeating the same thing. I'm just getting a bad feeling about this current push on him.

i dont think SESQ is scum...... wagon speed too fast,, also she seems to come from a townie place

You could say the same about the wagon on Nebula. They grew in parallel with each other. Why did Sesq's wagon seem different?

[Sesq]

I remember him saying more about nebula, although that may have been just repeating the same thing. I'm just getting a bad feeling about this current push on him.

i dont think SESQ is scum...... wagon speed too fast,, also she seems to come from a townie place

You could say the same about the wagon on Nebula. They grew in parallel with each other. Why did Sesq's wagon seem different?

Neb's wagon sped even faster, I think, or at least earlier on. I think the differences have more to do with behavior.

[KainTepes]

cos when i posted that nebs wagon was smaller,, KAINTGEPS

[Sesq]

And on the specifics of his behavior, while I am willing to go into open discussion about things and be 100% honest, nebula seems to be dodgy and avoidant and declared to stop speaking about Toto and I. The associations between him and Hiraki also seem to be strongly pointing to them being scum together, mainly Hiraki's lack of explaining for his strong townread (and then later refusing to go into it more for "overexplaining", despite the fact he didn't do jack shit.)

I do realize I'm sounding the same horn with this post but I think it's good to explain to people why I sit where I do.

[Music Box]

cos when i posted that nebs wagon was smaller,, KAINTGEPS

When you posted that, the wagons were exactly the same as they are now.

[Toto]

I remember him saying more about nebula, although that may have been just repeating the same thing. I'm just getting a bad feeling about this current push on him.

Why are you getting a bad feeling?