Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Infinity 324]

I think what happened is that she just felt suspicious when everyone including me voted kling right at the start of d2.

sure ok, that's somewhat possible I guess but I think its equally as possible (possibly even more) that she's scum that was trying to get cheap cred and then power lynch off the Kling wagon. But at the same time

EVERYONE

knew Kling was going to be a thing so why would she be suspicious when the defacto thinking would have been "Kling quickhammered so she must be scum." So to me it looks like she went against the grain b/c she knew Kling wasn't scum.

Fair enough.

[Aj The Epic]

again

explain why you claimed.

still confused and maybe inflamed.

????

Why claim? It's ALMOST like I explained that already WHEN I CLAIMED.

Man dude. I can play this game too.

[Infinity 324]

zefiend, molla, cakez/titus
zefiend, cakez, twie/molla
zefiend, mastin, twie/titus

Most likely scumteams imo

[Nero Cain]

So if zefiend flips town

molla, cakez, titus
cakez, twie, molla
mastin, twie, titus
^
that is what you'll think?

[Infinity 324]

Something like that

[TheWayItEnds]

i like that all of the proposed teams involving me an incompetence based.

[Infinity 324]

And what exactly have you done that's town?

[Heartless]

Why are you pushing on me?

i'm not pushing, my intent was to be taken at face value. you voted cake for RL so i asked why you're townreading him.

[Nero Cain]

vote:TWIE

lets lynch scum

[Nero Cain]

HOW HEARTLESS WASN'T EVEN CLOSE TO BEING THE ROGUE LEADER AT THE TIME.
At the time, Infinity was the Rogue Leader vote.
And Infinity had me as a pick.
The chronology doesn't fit. So no. Not rhetoric. That'd be YOU, bringing up an irrelevant point.

ok. lets look at your original statement.

Pine would only make sense as a bus if scum are powerful!

, she yells. Which ignores the whole point that Pine would get a major assload of heat as soon as he joined the RK without getting invited. B/c why the fuck would

TOWN

do that? Woman please.

Okay.
I 'bussed' Pine D1.
Pine entered the crew N1.

How does that work on your timeline?

It doesn't.
What's to stop Pine from having been a part of the crew?
What's to stop scum other than Pine from having been a part of the crew?

With the benefit of hindsight, that is, knowing who the crew picked was, you can safely assume the picked crew T1 was all town, yes.
But that's only with the benefit of hindsight, knowing Pine forcefully joined the crew N1.

In other words: saying I knew Pine would join the crew N1 and thus bussed him D1 doesn't work as an explanation,

because on D1 I would have no way of knowing that action would be needed.

Basically, you've got a chronology problem on hand.
It wasn't: The crew was picked-->No scum were on the screw, thus Pine joined-->This made Pine suspicious, so I bussed.
It was: I went after Pine-->the crew was picked-->no scum were on the crew, thus Pine joined-->I continued pushing Pine, following through from D1 with new information strengthening a read that already existed.

Unless scum didn't talk at all, the mafia team would have known Pine's role, yes? Once Pine used his role there'd be pressure on him and a very big chance that he gets lynched. Pushing him early (b/c you knew his role) makes plenty of sense and thats what I've been accusing you of this whole time, not that you bussed Pine once his action was used. But even if thats what you believed for some odd reason I am outright challenging you on the bolded.

Heartless surpassed Infinity as RL around the 1k mark. Heartless was confirmed the RL at EOD. Nothing anyone else said mattered.

Like I think you are prob scum here b/c I have a very very hard time seeing someone of your experience and understanding fight tooth and nail against something that is easily proven. Like I said before, I'm not going to get you to admit that you are scum but Infinity wasn't the RL so it matters not what he said. I'll be around to lynch you once the mislynchable town are flipped.

[Nero Cain]

HOW HEARTLESS WASN'T EVEN CLOSE TO BEING THE ROGUE LEADER AT THE TIME.
At the time, Infinity was the Rogue Leader vote.
And Infinity had me as a pick.
The chronology doesn't fit. So no. Not rhetoric. That'd be YOU, bringing up an irrelevant point.

ok. lets look at your original statement.

Pine would only make sense as a bus if scum are powerful!

, she yells. Which ignores the whole point that Pine would get a major assload of heat as soon as he joined the RK without getting invited. B/c why the fuck would

TOWN

do that? Woman please.

Okay.
I 'bussed' Pine D1.
Pine entered the crew N1.

How does that work on your timeline?

It doesn't.
What's to stop Pine from having been a part of the crew?
What's to stop scum other than Pine from having been a part of the crew?

With the benefit of hindsight, that is, knowing who the crew picked was, you can safely assume the picked crew T1 was all town, yes.
But that's only with the benefit of hindsight, knowing Pine forcefully joined the crew N1.

In other words: saying I knew Pine would join the crew N1 and thus bussed him D1 doesn't work as an explanation,

because on D1 I would have no way of knowing that action would be needed.

Basically, you've got a chronology problem on hand.
It wasn't: The crew was picked-->No scum were on the screw, thus Pine joined-->This made Pine suspicious, so I bussed.
It was: I went after Pine-->the crew was picked-->no scum were on the crew, thus Pine joined-->I continued pushing Pine, following through from D1 with new information strengthening a read that already existed.

Unless scum didn't talk at all, the mafia team would have known Pine's role, yes? Once Pine used his role there'd be pressure on him and a very big chance that he gets lynched. Pushing him early (b/c you knew his role) makes plenty of sense and thats what I've been accusing you of this whole time, not that you bussed Pine once his action was used. But even if thats what you believed for some odd reason I am outright challenging you on the bolded.

Heartless surpassed Infinity as RL around the 1k mark. Heartless was confirmed the RL at EOD. Nothing anyone else said mattered.

Like I think you are prob scum here b/c I have a very very hard time seeing someone of your experience and understanding fight tooth and nail against something that is easily proven. Like I said before, I'm not going to get you to admit that you are scum but Infinity wasn't the RL so it matters not what he said. I'll be around to lynch you once the mislynchable town are flipped.

[Nero Cain]

Heartless is confirmed RL

Mastina: Scum wouldn't know who was in the crew

Nero: Heartless made it clear whom she wanted (also didn't Pine join late anyways?)

Mastina: But Infinity!

and I'm just like...ok he wasn't RL why does what he say matter over what the RL said?

Mastin/Titus and one of TWIE/AJ?

[Infinity 324]

Mastins point is that by the time she started pushing pine it wasn't clear who the RL would be

[TheWayItEnds]

And what exactly have you done that's town?

what does this have to do with what i said?

[TheWayItEnds]

both teams you have me on are based around me and me teammates being incompetent.

which i find funny.

[TheWayItEnds]

also i literally have 1 real interaction in this game and its insanely town.

so if you cant read that theres kinda no hope for you.

[Infinity 324]

both teams you have me on are based around me and me teammates being incompetent.

which i find funny.

Oh then I still don't get what you're saying. You're saying that scum would have to be incompetent for those teams to be possible?

also i literally have 1 real interaction in this game and its insanely town.

so if you cant read that theres kinda no hope for you.

You mean the one with pine?

Yeah it points to you being town but it's well within the range of most scumgames.

I don't see a town motivation behind not scumhunting and instead wasting your time with shit like this.

[TheWayItEnds]

but to clarify

you think that mastin and pine planned on filling the thread with a nonsense, thread killing svs argument.

and i stopped it before it started because i hate town apathy.

because incompetence.

[Infinity 324]

wow im sure this will be productive.

cant wait.

I'm sorry what concerns me doesn't concern you. What are your concerns?

What I dont get is why she lied.

if you cant explain the scum reasoning behind it then why do i care.

like cool cant wait for the 2 of you to argue about what you talked about in pms when your conclusion is well i dunno why she did it.

great.

like shes already scum reading you so she sees things you do as scummy.

shock awe gasp.

This is not "stopping the argument"

[TheWayItEnds]

oh then why dont you go find pines continued posting on the topic.

[TheWayItEnds]

like are you being stupid on purpose or just on accident?

[Infinity 324]

It stopped because mastin didn't follow up. If you're saying it's unlikely that mastin would stop the SvS argument, then ok maybe. But you weren't the one that stopped the argument.

Anyway I don't care enough to go into detail about one or two hypothetical scumteams and I don't know why you care about this either.

[SirCakez]

AJ had, what, 3 votes on him? That's not a lot of pressure. What do you think about the whole thing where he was trying to figure out if he could jk heartless and still have them gives out roles?

Who do you think is the most likely to be wrong of the scumreads?

It's bad play because it doesn't help the town work together. Especially when it's a relatively important event, you should weigh in. People not engaging the people they disagree with is a lot of the reason why the game is stagnating imo. (though a little bit less in the past day)

I think it's easily fakable, I've been burned for townreading "figuring out role mechanics" like that before.
Molla, least confident on that one
Well I am weighing in, aren't I?

Now you're going to talk about how I didn't give a case on you d1...but the game was a lot more active then, and directly addressing the person you scumread can often be unproductive.

iirc you did case me day 1
I don't see the relevance of that though?

I mean anyone can defend scum. Butthe main thing cakez did that's scummy for coasting since d1 when the pressure came off him.

I'm not even coasting.

i like that all of the proposed teams involving me an incompetence based.

You've done jackshit all game, you shouldn't be surprised

[Infinity 324]

Well I am weighing in, aren't I?

Now that I'm asking you about it, yes

iirc you did case me day 1
I don't see the relevance of that though?

nvm

I'm not even coasting.

Debatable. You certainly aren't as active as you were then.

[SirCakez]

Well this game started right when school was restarting and now I have a job and have been working backstage theatre almost every day of the school week so yeah I can't be as active.