This reads like you don't want to try to understand why people are reading your behavior as scum motivated.In post 439, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I'm not calling out cases for being hypocritical, I'm calling them out for being about hypocrisy.
Your case, to my mind, is based around an opinion of a given question being scummy vibing and a similar one not being - I think you're playing on the same hypocrisy basketball court they are, but you're claiming you're playing volleyball. I think it's a squint to call it not about the same foundation, and even if it is, it's about the 'feels' you get - and that's not a feel I'm getting.
I'm still fine calling Chaos scum though, I just got there on the WK road.
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I think AJ is town as well.In post 405, Fro99er wrote:CO -- thanks for the reply. Lots of good stuff in there I'm trying to parse, because it's left me kind of mixed. If you are town, us working together with AJ, who I think is town, should almost guarantee a town win.
1) Do you think I'm scum? Simple yes/no and why or why not.
2) The dash of WIFOM part I absolutely thought about after I posted my wall. You probably would stay away from me if you are scum. But yeah, WIFOM.
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1) Probably not. Your push on Sheep reads as genuine, at least in terms of frustration and how you're pushing him. Your jump onto me didn't read like you hopping on the wagon to push a mislynch, your earlier posts had raised some issues with me, it read as more of a continuation than opportunism.
2) Yeah, it is, that's why I had the disclaimer, lol. I like staying in the background as scum, since I tend not to post much regardless of alignment.
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Now, let's talk about why WhemeStar is obvious scum that needs to be dead like now.
In my wall response to frogger, I mentioned WhemeStar's 150, and how it read as blatant appeasement and not trying to gamesolve at all. The whole frogger-WhemeStar convo from 144 to 151 is good to look at. frogger expresses suspicion of Wheme if Sheep flips town, and Wheme seems worried about it in response, asking why in 145 and then nervously trying to figure out what frogger is scumreading him for in 148, and then the pathetic placation in 150. If Wheme was town, why the fuck would he just roll over like that and try to appease frogger as opposed to confronting him? It's like he knows he's guilty, and is just trying to be nice and fade into the background. This exchange is part of the reason I'm not sold on Sheep-scum, since I'm assuming Wheme is scum and his reaction would not have been like that if Sheep was his partner; he would just shut up and take the town-cred on a Sheep lynch.
Wheme was townreading Sheep for most of this game from the beginning (56, 307, 332, etc.). After a reread in 365, he posts in 458 that Sheep is possible scum:
Here's what you said earlier in 332 about them:In post 458, WhemeStar wrote:Sheep and Frogger have been going at it all game. At first I thought it was froggy just trying to get reactions out of others, but then it kept going on and on. After reading both of their posts over and over I think sheep is trying to just blame froggy of not reading his posts/answering his questions/misrepping him. Which I think is a scummy move, just asking questions over and over again. I thought sheep's slip wasn't really a slip, but his posts lately have me thinking he is possible scum.
I'm not just giving you shit here for your reads changing, because they should. But this change doesn't read natural at all. In 332, your town read on Sheep is explicitly from how he is defending himself, and now in 458, his defense is why he is scummy. It's a complete 180 with no progression.In post 332, WhemeStar wrote:I feel this game is just sheep/froggy arguing with each other, and I think their both town. I like the way sheepy defended himself and how froggy pushed him. They are still both town reads for me.
Let's talk about your readlist in 507:
- Why is Gerry so much higher than Penguin here? Reasoning for each would seem to indicate they'd be next to each other.In post 507, WhemeStar wrote:Froggy
Naomi
Tereta - Like his posts and his pushes on me and others
AJ - like how he pushes some people like Tereta is, asked questions to get discussion.
EC - FFS get an avatar pls, I like how he pushed me for not explaining in detail with Hawk.
Gerry - Doesn't post much, but I don't think that scum would be so obvious
Lil Uzi - Posts don't contain much but every once in a while he posts something good, like post #287
Hawk - I don't really see where he fell off, can someone help explain that too me?
Chaos - I agree with others saying he tried to derail Sheep's wagon
Penguin - Not much to say with him only having 6 posts.
Sheep- Don't really like how his response to frog was mostey questions, and then called out frog for being scum by not answering said questions.
Lowell - HIs post counteracts itself when he said that he likes AJ because he is a lurker but when he posts his reads are spot on, but AJ called him scum earlier.
- Look at how he townreads Tereta and EC for pushing him. He doesn't challenge them for being wrong, it's like how he tried to resolve the same issue with frogger, say their play is pro-town and hope they leave him alone.
- So Lowell is supposedly his biggest scumread, yet the reasoning for it is so lame. It's nothing but a slip that other people had talked about prior.
Also, Terata's case in 460 is good and I agree with all of it. Don't wanna rehash it, but it's part of why WhemeStar needs to be dead.
Also also, his reaction to frogger's vote/reasoning:In post 464, WhemeStar wrote:
Im not trying to paint them as my own thoughts, they haven't. Sorry if it seems that way.In post 461, Fro99er wrote:VOTE: Wheme
sheeping Terata's case. It's basically what I was about to say wrt Wheme not having any unique reads but painting them as his own thoughts.
I actually think Wheme is my strongest scumread of the game now, and lord knows I've been all over the place.
So your opinions aren't your own thoughts?In post 458, WhemeStar wrote:Ill try to do this piece by piece, too try and show that I'm trying my best to help out town. Sorry if you prefer me to give my opinions in one big post though.Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!-
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In post 471, ECMitchell wrote:I think he's made an excellent case against WhemeStar. Are you basing your town read on him entirely on that?
I don't know the status of my vote or various wagons, but I'm ready to vote EC. This is classic derailment.In post 474, ECMitchell wrote:
And you say that with 100% confidence? WhemeStarIn post 472, Terata wrote:But nvm that for now, I just caught a scumisscum, not just probably?-
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"Obvious derailment" while my vote remains firmly on WhemeStar and I've said I want to see them lynched today? You think the hunt should stop because one single person is most probably scum?In post 529, Lowell wrote: I don't know the status of my vote or various wagons, but I'm ready to vote EC. This is classic derailment.
You also realize the hypocrisy of your post, yes? "He's derailing! I'm so ready to vote him now!"
Please.
Terata also just got saying he'll only respond to my points against him if others agree, or if he starts feeling the pressure. That paired with everything else? I've never seen more scummy play to be quite honest. If WhemeStar turns scum, my vote tomorrow will be placed on Terata and will not change.-
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This game started with one idea. Take a bunch of random people and throw them in a room and do random things to them. I like to think, we made a great decision here. Next time, we will throw in a bunch of people we pick out and have them do things according to a script. Call it reality tv or something.
Last edited by Firebringer on Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:05 am, edited 1 time in total.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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ah ok. you're wrong tho. and i already said i was a powerful role.
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In post 457, gerryoat wrote:I'll actually read later on.
_____________________________In post 345, PenguinPower wrote:Liar.Sheep fell apart. I can do Wheme.
VOTE: Wheme
In post 463, WhemeStar wrote:Also, most of my reads are sheeps from other people
I'm going to try and vote you again.In post 476, WhemeStar wrote:Want me to reveal?
VOTE: Wheme
_______________________________LUV moves up in my townreads to join Fro99er and Naomi. Congrats on the promotion. Unfortunately there is no pay raise associated.
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Im not really too great with doing the multiple quote things so Im not gonna try. But this post is in response to Chaos's. Bold words are chaos's.
Now, let's talk about why WhemeStar is obvious scum that needs to be dead like now.
In my wall response to frogger, I mentioned WhemeStar's 150, and how it read as blatant appeasement and not trying to gamesolve at all. The whole frogger-WhemeStar convo from 144 to 151 is good to look at. frogger expresses suspicion of Wheme if Sheep flips town, and Wheme seems worried about it in response, asking why in 145 and then nervously trying to figure out what frogger is scumreading him for in 148, and then the pathetic placation in 150. If Wheme was town, why the fuck would he just roll over like that and try to appease frogger as opposed to confronting him? It's like he knows he's guilty, and is just trying to be nice and fade into the background. This exchange is part of the reason I'm not sold on Sheep-scum, since I'm assuming Wheme is scum and his reaction would not have been like that if Sheep was his partner; he would just shut up and take the town-cred on a Sheep lynch.
You know, its really hard to get emotion right over words typed on a screen, because I wasn't nervous at all then. I was just wondering why he would suspect me because its my first normal game and I had no clue on what his reasons were. Yes, I was town reading sheep for the early part of the game, because I thought the slip on him and push on him was weak, but I didn't like his responses over time.
- Why is Gerry so much higher than Penguin here? Reasoning for each would seem to indicate they'd be next to each other.
- Look at how he townreads Tereta and EC for pushing him. He doesn't challenge them for being wrong, it's like how he tried to resolve the same issue with frogger, say their play is pro-town and hope they leave him alone.
- So Lowell is supposedly his biggest scumread, yet the reasoning for it is so lame. It's nothing but a slip that other people had talked about prior.
Because Gerry has been here all game, Penguin was late to the party.
I said they pushed me and others, which isn't that what a town should do? Push people even if the person their pushing may be town?
The slip on Sheep wasn't really a slip either, look where that got us.
So your opinions aren't your own thoughts?
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@Penguin, what is wrong with asking to reveal? I asked the question because votes were being put on me and people suspected me so I didn't know if I should reveal or not. But oh well, Ill do it anyway.In post 540, PenguinPower wrote:In post 457, gerryoat wrote:I'll actually read later on.
_____________________________In post 345, PenguinPower wrote:Liar.Sheep fell apart. I can do Wheme.
VOTE: Wheme
In post 463, WhemeStar wrote:Also, most of my reads are sheeps from other people
I'm going to try and vote you again.In post 476, WhemeStar wrote:Want me to reveal?
VOTE: Wheme
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UNVOTE:
that could very easily be a scum role. OTOH, scum have daychat...why wouldn't they coach Wheme more and tell him not to seem so eager to claim?"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend-
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With the wagon on me they are doing a bad job on coaching me then.In post 545, Fro99er wrote:UNVOTE:
that could very easily be a scum role. OTOH, scum have daychat...why wouldn't they coach Wheme more and tell him not to seem so eager to claim?-
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This is my first game as a role other than VT. Didn't know if I should or not, didn't think it was a big deal to ask if I should or notIn post 546, Fro99er wrote:Wheme why the f did you offer to out your role at like L-3 or L-4?-
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In post 547, WhemeStar wrote:
With the wagon on me they are doing a bad job on coaching me then.In post 545, Fro99er wrote:UNVOTE:
that could very easily be a scum role. OTOH, scum have daychat...why wouldn't they coach Wheme more and tell him not to seem so eager to claim?"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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