[Game Over] Open 673 - Tit for Tat

[Siblings Quarrel]

Lots of questions, not much saying.

If this is your reasoning for wanting to vote Bella, you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY need to look at Sheep's ISO.
-Ali

I accept him role-playing a sheep.

And I am okay with adding you to my lynch pool
-Ali

[Siblings Quarrel]

^ -obvfrog

Maybe to you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bellaphant
Lots of questions, not much saying.

How many times have you played with Bella?

-Frog

[theplague42]

Never.

[Fro99er]

You're the only person I recognize. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Apparently never.

That's an awful shallow read to just vote her for asking questions. You know nothing of her play and you're just going to throw a bullshit reason out there.

You're going to have to explain why the questions are coming from scum, and not town.

-Frog

[Siblings Quarrel]

You're the only person I recognize. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Apparently never.

That's an awful shallow read to just vote her for asking questions. You know nothing of her play and you're just going to throw a bullshit reason out there.

You're going to have to explain why the questions are coming from scum, and not town.

-Frog

God dammit I promised myself I wasn't going to hydra slip

-Frog

[Transcend]

VOTE: sheep

I was reading the thread backwards and wanted to vote that way before i saw the wagon.

[MiniDeathStar]

February 7, 2017 - 10:00 AM (GMT)

Day 1

While everybody was busy arguing, the brothers by the nicknames Alisea and Frogger stepped
up and asked for everybody's attention. Alisea and Frogger were conjoined twins, which is
why they were pejoratively called 'a hydra' and collectively given the name 'Siblings Quarrel'.

Alisea:

Did anybody notice what kind of bullcrap the shepard was spewing? I seriously can't believe you're
actually falling for it. He literally doesn't care who he votes to hang!

Sesq:

Yeah, point. Let's lynch him!

Murmurs of approval spread throughout the crowd and the votes quickly piled up on the
stunned Cooperative Sheep, who seemed to have lost his words at the sudden mood change.
However, to the dismay of the siblings, not everybody agreed with Alisea.

theplague42:

Sheepsy can wait. It's Bella who keeps trying to *appear* helpful. Get her!

A gust of wind whiffed through the town and the woodworm-chewed frame of the gallows
moaned seductively in response, as if reminding theplague42 that this was what awaited him
if he dissented too much.

Cooperative Sheep (L-3)

: Charloux, Siblings Quarrel, Sesq, Transcend

Sesq (L-5)

: Cooperative Sheep, The_Jester

Intermission (L-6)

: Bellaphant

ECMitchell (L-6)

: projectmatt

Bellaphant (L-6)

: theplague42

Not voting:

Intermission, Tucan Safe, ECMitchell

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 actions:

February 19, 2017 - 8:00 PM (GMT)

You have (expired on 2017-02-19 20:00:00) to discuss and decide on a lynch.

Vote Count 1.03

[Cooperative Sheep]

Pressure voting kinda loses its purpose when you make it obvious it's nothing more, you know

Meanwhile other people vote me because I was tryng to start another wagon, so it felt real to them - I think it served its purpose, she definitely reacted.

@Sesq - Were you intentionally not offering reads to avoid suspicion on you like the last time you mentioned? Or was there another goal?

Let's also add that Sheep is adding pressure but not doing anything with the pressure.
And asking questions but not doing anything with those actual questions.
-Ali

I think this is provably untrue - could you provide supporting evidence that makes you believe this?

[Cooperative Sheep]

At the point you're calling this out, as far as I can see I asked two questions....so...whassup?

[Siblings Quarrel]

Can y'all vote sheep now?

-Frog

[ECMitchell]

I'm hesitant to sheep your vote on Sheep, since in the only two games I've been able to observe you in, you've adamantly led a lynch on them. I'm starting to wonder if you two are just on completely different wavelengths and naturally clash with each other. For what it's worth, right now I'm not getting much of a scum read on Cooperative Sheep. As far as any thoughts on you go—I'm still trying to come to grips with the concept of a hydra account. To be honest I think that's a very obnoxious feature and I think I'll avoid games with them in the future. Messes up my reads when I'm dealing with a dual personality. Although there was one post in particular where I thought you might be scum:

Was going to ask the same thing as Jester.

And I think Jester is probably town. He kept saying that intermission isn't the droid we're looking for, but is now changing his mind and questioning intermission on something I picked up on too.

I even pointed out intermissions LAMIST statements and concern for his image to Ali in our hydra PT.

That jester is rethinking things and pressuring someone he originally thought was a bad spot for pressure, certainly comes from someone trying to figure the game out.

The bold statement in particular comes off as you trying to establish the fact that you're actively scum hunting "behind the scenes"—and of course, why would you do that if you were scum? If you're a hydra account, it probably goes without saying that you're collaborating, right?

Responding to some general comments I've read catching up: If it wasn't obvious, my vote on Intermission was of course to just apply pressure. As mentioned when I unvoted, I do generally like his reactions, and it remained consistent even after The_Jester challenged his concern to

appear

town.

I approach games like a new social situation; start out civil and gradually become more comfortable.

Then the fun starts.

It's 3 pages in. God damn, I give a readslist day 3 and I get scumread, I wait for a while and get scumread.

Also:



Pronouns. Read them.

Now onto people reading, which is as such:

Cooperative Sheep: Push on me for not doing anything, which is weird considering as it was only page four and continues to vote for me. Can't read this woman.

Charloux: Seems to be legitimately interacting in the game. I like what I'm hearing, though the stingy votes is minorly off-putting.

Intermission: Looks town on the surface, I guess, but I have a minor gut feel he might be scum. I don't know.

ECMitchell: Weird logic as pointed out by SQ, don't know what to say.

Transcend: Shooting out early reads, not justifying them, but at this point it doesn't look like there's ulterior motives, so no issues.

If they aren't listed I have nothing useful to say about them.

PEDIT: Votes are votes, usually works the same as legit votes

I particularly liked this post, especially the bold, which came off as a comfortable and natural reaction to me.

VOTE: Sesq

Serious vote

Seeing as this vote came immediately after Sesq's Post 106, there must have been something in that post that signaled you. Care to share what that is?

Later tonight I will be going through some players' ISO and share what more I can. I hoped this game would have started picking up speed by now.

[Intermission]

I also want to hear from Jester regarding his vote on Sesq. It came right after his negative comment about Sheep's pressure vote, yet he voted for the same person! That's bizarre, and I lost confidence in my townread right then.

Also losing confidence in Siblings Quarrel. The Sheep wagon feels very forced, although if it was a mafia attempt to mislynch a townie, it would certainly put Siblings in an obviously bad light. So I won't call Siblings mafia just yet.

[Intermission]

Maybe it's not Siblings we should look at for starting the wagon, but those who jumped on without much thought. That appears to be Sesq and Transcend. Can you two provide more explanation?

[Bellaphant]

Let's also add that Sheep is adding pressure but not doing anything with the pressure.
And asking questions but not doing anything with those actual questions.
-Ali

I think this is provably untrue - could you provide supporting evidence that makes you believe this?

I don't like 'i think this is provably' - the dichotomy between 'think' and 'prove' and the total lack of finding their own evidence to support themselve - rather, they put it back on sibs to defend/attack.

I'm hesitant to sheep your vote on Sheep, since in the only two games I've been able to observe you in, you've adamantly led a lynch on them. I'm starting to wonder if you two are just on completely different wavelengths and naturally clash with each other. For what it's worth, right now I'm not getting much of a scum read on Cooperative Sheep.

Can either you/sheep/sibs talk about this fact some more?

p-edit, yeah, that transcend vote was skeevy.

[Transcend]

no

[The_Jester]

Sesq's posted nothing of value and his readlist's a pile of made-up crap. He takes no definitive stances and keeps fence sitting hardcore. His reason to jump on the wagon is sketchy at best.

[Transcend]

VOTE: intermission

wagons aren't a bad thing, you're talking like sheep is gonna be a town flip

[The_Jester]

VOTE: sheep

I was reading the thread backwards and wanted to vote that way before i saw the wagon.

If you were reading backwards then you must've seen 2 votes on sheep before reaching his posting. How did you manage to miss that?

[Bellaphant]

@plague,

genuinely curious about your vote: maybe some of my points are more 'subtext' than others', but I've certainly expressed opinions.

[Intermission]

@Jester Fair enough, thanks for the explanation

@Transcend I'm not saying wagons are inherently bad. I'm just naturally a little suspicious when someone hops on without explaining why. You DID say you wanted to vote Sheep before the wagon. Can you go into a little more detail about that?

[Transcend]

no

[Intermission]

Can you answer Jester's question then? How'd you miss the Sheep votes?

[Transcend]

no

[Intermission]

If you can't or won't explain yourself, then it's fair to vote you.

VOTE: Transcend

[Transcend]

lol