Open 669 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[Superhans]

Fitz, it's felt to me for a long time like you're trying to buddy MoI. I'm not saying that you're scum for it but is there a reason? do you think he's super town or super skilled or something?

What do you think about MOI?

[Superhans]

@lucca216: The "threatening" thing was a Monsters, Inc. quote that I couldn't resist sticking in. I know you're not really threatening me.

@MoI: Are you ready to state your reasons for actually threatening Revan yet?

Is Superhans' jump onto the Magna wagon opportunistism or townish paranoia? Is it possible that Magna looks to scum like a possible mislynch, or that scum just don't want to be on any real wagons at the moment?

No matter who we scumread, we seem to agree that scum are somewhere in (Superhans, Revan, UD). Why don't we lynch one of these more scumread players? That way, we're more likely to hit scum, so we'll have more breathing room while going after others.

Its funny that out of the possible scenarios regarding my push on MOI you identify that I'm either paranoid town, or opportunistic scum, you don't consider for a moment a possibility in which I'm not being paranoid town, and that MOI is in fact scum.

Do you really town read MOI so heavily that you can't consider the fact that I may be right as an actual possibility?

[Superhans]

im finding it very difficult to read through all of UD's content, lots of it does not seem relevant at all, and I didn't like the way he tried to dismiss Doomfeather by getting him to find different types of arrogance from other games.

[Superhans]

Difficult to put my finger on exactly what makes UD's content so difficult to read (not all of it is btw)
but in some of the longer posts:
1) uses rapid succession of questions
2) engages in long back and forth conversations on specific issues sometimes relating to (in my opinion irrelevant) theory.
3) tone is indignant, and overall not pleasant to read through.

this is subjective, and so im not confident in this being indicative of scum, but equally im not seeing anything that i like.

[Superhans]

would like to hear if people agree with me, or think im being pedantic.

[Superhans]

and Revan seems to have given up on this game...

[Superhans]

Fitz, it's felt to me for a long time like you're trying to buddy MoI. I'm not saying that you're scum for it but is there a reason? do you think he's super town or super skilled or something?

I disagree with your assessment and no wrt super town/skilled. We've played several times together and I respect his play. I think he's difficult to catch as scum. And I liked the tell he came up with on Hans....whether it held water or not.

your read on MOI has remained town from mid-D1 and remained ever since? no?

[Superhans]

also if you don't think his theory is correct, how can you be comfortable town reading him because of it? that doesn't make any sense.

[Superhans]

@mod: Revan is due another prod I believe.

@Revan: what exactly is your headspace these days? You'd talked about wanting to provide content, and you'd be substantiating your reads, but it's been days and there's been nothing.

-M

Revan has done absolutely nothing this game.

[Superhans]

I agree with pretty much everything that Superfan has said so far and am therefore fairly sure he's town.

I found the point about lack of cross voting especially compelling and this explains why Revan has been given a free pass. Definitely agree that there is buddying over bussing.

Like besides (what I view as the) scumblock piling onto UD and Superhans there's been very little cross voting. The simple guess of Lucca/Revan/Fitz hasn't voted each other once this game and has had hard townreads on each other from very early on with the support given for it being absolute shit.

I am removing UD from my lynchpool based on that analysis and saying that MoI is far more liable to be scum than he was previously. We are still not lynching him today and I wouldn't lynch him before the scumtrio.
I am going to look for a potential outlier in the Lucca/Revan/Fitz category which at this time seems to be Fitz but I'm not sure.

[Superhans]

Like the associatives between MoI and HavingFitz are the point where I seriously consider fakeclaiming as cop with two guilties. They are scum, pure and simple.

COULD I potentially be wrong on Revan? Yes. Revan is the one scum I am least sure about and if after lynching MoI and Fitz you think that it's not Revan? Sure, vote elsewhere.

Just don't touch Doomfeather or Superhans who are both town and when neither of them get lynched town wins this game.

Hmm why are you least sure about Revan? It's kinda the opposite for me. (Although I think Fitz / MOI and to a lesser extent maybe Lucca are also very likely to be scum).

[Superhans]

Think Revan would have been lynched already if it wasn't for a degree of scum protection.

I was town reading Doom anyway, so I don't think my position on him will change.

[Superhans]

Use a different browser for each game?

[Superhans]

What do you think the DK was? WIFOM to guarantee lynch of Sesq/FC?

[Superhans]

I think it may have been trolling.

[Superhans]

Unvoting Revan for today

[Superhans]

I feel comfortable placing my trust in the:
{Fitz, MOI} combo for today.

[Superhans]

Vote MOI

[Superhans]

VOTE: MOI

[Superhans]

I would prefer that you vote Fitz first because I'm like 99.9% certain Fitz is scum vs 99.6% certain MoI is scum and I think that Fitz is more palatable as a wagon anyway.

I think there is a chance Fitz has been pocketed by MOI and is actually town. He saw through MOI's bullshit scum logic on me through meta analysis of my games, definitely not an obligation for scum

[Superhans]

Still think more likely Fitz and MOi are partners, but I see a scenario in which scum is Lucca rather than Fitz.

[Superhans]

Open 669-

Spoiler: Nightless Vengeful Mayhem

Nightless Vengeful Mayhem is an open setup designed by Tragedy.

2 Mafia Goons
1 Mafia 2-Shot Day Goon
9 Vanilla Townies

This setup is Nightless.

The Mafia 2-Shot Day Goon may shoot only once per game day.

The vote count resets when a Mafia daykill goes through.

A Townie who has been lynched on Day 1 may choose to act as a Vengeful Townie and take someone else down with him/her. This applies only on Day 1.

The mafia may discuss in their private topic during the day.

Standard Role PMs

Mafia Goon

You are a Mafia Member, Aligned with the Mafia.
Your allies are ??? (Mafia Member) & ??? (Mafia Two-Shot Daykill Member). You may communicate with them HERE.
You win when the number of Mafia Members equals the amount of Citizens.

Mafia Two-Shot Day Goon

You are a Mafia Two-Shot Daykill Member, Aligned with the Mafia.
Your allies are ??? (Mafia Member) & ??? (Mafia Member). You may communicate with them HERE.
During each day, you may choose to kill someone, by PMing the moderator. You only have 2 shots to use, so use them wisely.
You win when the number of Mafia Members equals the amount of Citizens.

Townie

You are a Citizen, Aligned with the Town.
If you are voted out on the first day, you may take someone else down with you.
You win when you manage to eliminate every single member of the Mafia.[/spoiler]

LIVING PLAYERS

MagnaofIllusion
Nahdia_Superfan

wgeurts

Revan
Ultimate Despair
lucca261
Superhans
doomfeathers
havingfitz

LINKS

Day 1: Post #25
First Blood: Post #175
Day 2: Post #497
Day 3: Post #842

Spoiler: dead

Hawk,

Townie

Friend Computer,

Townie

Sesq,

Townie

mozamis,

Townie

[/spoiler]

K
VOTE: Fitz
Either way is good.

[Superhans]

Did not mean to quote that.

[Superhans]

My trust in Superfan logic has increased significantly... I think the DK may be intended as WIFOM, but more likely it was a reaction of scared scum.

[Superhans]

DK also means if we vote outside of
{MOI and Fitz}
There is a chance of quick hammer.

[Superhans]

Revan what do you think about the DK?

[Superhans]

+ what are your reads?

[Superhans]

W H E R E
I S
E V E R Y O N E?

[Superhans]

UD I agree with your point that #1 priority is to get Magna and Fitz to substantiate reads, seems like an obvious step to take when they return.

However,

Your latest post is devoid of

your

judgement on whether you think Fitz and MOI constitute as the scum pairing.

[Superhans]

so two questiosn i'd like you to get to after your super bowl thing (have fun btw )
1) why do you think Superfan was killed.
2) do you buy the {MOI, Fitz} pairing.

For town to lynch scum we need

all

town players on the correct wagon at once.

[Superhans]

Open 669-

Spoiler: Nightless Vengeful Mayhem

Nightless Vengeful Mayhem is an open setup designed by Tragedy.

2 Mafia Goons
1 Mafia 2-Shot Day Goon
9 Vanilla Townies

This setup is Nightless.

The Mafia 2-Shot Day Goon may shoot only once per game day.

The vote count resets when a Mafia daykill goes through.

A Townie who has been lynched on Day 1 may choose to act as a Vengeful Townie and take someone else down with him/her. This applies only on Day 1.

The mafia may discuss in their private topic during the day.

Standard Role PMs

Mafia Goon

You are a Mafia Member, Aligned with the Mafia.
Your allies are ??? (Mafia Member) & ??? (Mafia Two-Shot Daykill Member). You may communicate with them HERE.
You win when the number of Mafia Members equals the amount of Citizens.

Mafia Two-Shot Day Goon

You are a Mafia Two-Shot Daykill Member, Aligned with the Mafia.
Your allies are ??? (Mafia Member) & ??? (Mafia Member). You may communicate with them HERE.
During each day, you may choose to kill someone, by PMing the moderator. You only have 2 shots to use, so use them wisely.
You win when the number of Mafia Members equals the amount of Citizens.

Townie

You are a Citizen, Aligned with the Town.
If you are voted out on the first day, you may take someone else down with you.
You win when you manage to eliminate every single member of the Mafia.[/spoiler]

LIVING PLAYERS

MagnaofIllusion
Revan
Ultimate Despair
lucca261
Superhans
doomfeathers
havingfitz

LINKS

Day 1: Post #25
First Blood: Post #175
Day 2: Post #497
Day 3: Post #842
Second Day-kill: Post #1144

Spoiler: dead

Hawk,

Townie

Friend Computer,

Townie

Sesq,

Townie

mozamis,

Townie

Nahdia_Superfan

wgeurts

,

Townie

[/spoiler]

U r gonna get lynched tomorrow MoI.

Lynching Fitz today will be easy.

[Superhans]

VOTE: Fitz

[Superhans]

So the Nahdia alt was RC … I feel bad for him that he keeps feeling the need to replace into games with me as secret alts.

But RC’s push and subsequent death means my course for today is clear.

VOTE: Fitz

There is no reason for scum to Nightkill RC (who was Town) if both Fitz and myself are Town. He was a mislynch vote in their pocket if that was the case given he was the originator of the push. Scum could have won outright by getting a mislynch and then killing before a lynch could happen the next day.

Yet they didn’t. They chose to kill RC first. The only logical conclusion is that fitz is Mafia. Either that or the Mafia team decided to do it for the lulz. And if that’s the case – the game is going to be lost anyway so no harm in placing the vote.

I’ll go back and look through the thread directly (this vote was based on some phone skimming I did during the Super Bowl) later and see if anything merits actual response.

Don't think for a minute that lynching your partner will prevent you from being lynched tomorrow.

[Superhans]

UNVOTE:
K

[Superhans]

actually
VOTE: MOI
Will elaborate when im off of my phone.

[Superhans]

@Doomfeather where are you man?

[Superhans]

we can only win with absolute town participation.

[Superhans]

unless MOIs vote was bussing... im not confident in Fitz, 100% confident in MOI. we lynch MOI tomorrow. regardless of whether Fitz is on the wagon, we vote Fitz tomorrow then go from there.

[Superhans]

nah man you're hanging today. no doubt about it. your eagerness to lynch Fitz does not come from partner partner bussing.

[Superhans]

You voting Fitz is indicative of a player who you manipulated into your bitch, and now want to throw away for your last kill.

[Superhans]

not going to happen. we lynch Fitz tomorrow to account for a scenario in which you're trying to clear yourself by killing your patner.

[Superhans]

we lynch you today

[Superhans]

discrediting won't work m8.

[Superhans]

@UD
@ Revan
@ Lucca
@ Doom

Where r u?

[Superhans]

hmm whats a buzzword?

[Superhans]

*whats the buzzword i mean

[Superhans]

We need all of town to be engaged if we have a chance of winning... Where the fuck are you all?

[Superhans]

We need all of town to be engaged if we have a chance of winning... Where the fuck are you all?

The definition of LAMIST posting from scum … “I’m so Town look how frustrated I am”.

--
[...]

Nitpicking literally every post i make?

Do you get it? town cannot win unless we can all agree to lynch you, at the time of posting no player had spoken for 12 hours, and Doom, UD, Revan hadn't spoken for 24 hours +.

[Superhans]

Doom

- you probably need to get fully caught up since RC (Nahdia) has been dead for several pages ...

LAMIST

prick

[Superhans]

MOI for every time you call yourself town, i'll call you scum.

i like how you're doing exactly what you've been doing all game, which is using your experience monopoly to fabricate reads and try and powerlynch town, all the while getting town credit for doing so.

[Superhans]

if we do end up lynching Fitz today and he's scum, you're eating rope tomorrow, regardless of how hard you can bus.

[Superhans]

[...]
Do you honestly think one of us isn’t going to be the lynch today? RC’s death assured me of that. Frankly the only other person I’d bother to vote anyway is SuperHans. I know he’s already voting me and I haven’t been quicklynched by this point so he’s your scum partner. [...]

I've got a cookie to any player who can find the problem with this.

[Superhans]

also MOI i really don't care about your vote, may be on scum, may not be on scum. rn the only thing that matters is convincing 3 out of Doom, UD, Revan or Lucca to follow me.

[Superhans]

MoI, if we lynch Fitz today, and you tomorrow, and you are town, that's still a net gain for town. You're okay with that, right?

MOI is not town!!!

i don't get how you can scum read fitz

without

scum reading MOI.

[Superhans]

If it is feasible to lynch MoI, I will. If someone puts him at L-1, I will hammer.

Doom we need to be on the same wagon, i would feel much more comfortable lynching MOI today. i am 100% certain he is scum at this point, we lynch Fitz tomorrow.
iv had my vote on MOI for the last 12 hours and there has been nothing.

[Superhans]

that is as good as conf scum for me.

[Superhans]

i think there would be, unless 1 of the scum is super inactive.

[Superhans]

we need Revan Lucca and UD to come online ASAP

[Superhans]

@Mod
Can you dish out some prods?

[Superhans]

MOI is not town!!!

i don't get how you can scum read fitz without scum reading MOI.

Nah, I'm Town.

Superhanz and Fitz are scum and Super is spamming Appeals to Repetition to try to save his partner and win the game with my mislynch.

Appeals to Reptition?

you can't make this shit up.

[Superhans]

Doom we need to be on the same wagon, i would feel much more comfortable lynching MOI today. i am 100% certain he is scum at this point, we lynch Fitz tomorrow.
iv had my vote on MOI for the last 12 hours and there has been nothing.

"I'd much rather lynch Town today and win than bus my partner Fitz"

And scum need Town to vote me to get a quicklynch not partners voting Hans ... so you voting me of course doesn't lead to a quicklynch.

But at this point if Doom is Town then Fitz can drop a vote and the last partner can seal the win.

im not holding my breath...

@Revan,
We are on LyLo and if we mislynch we have lost the game. going for a comprimise or player who is lynch bait isn't good enough, we need to be 100% sure, and MOI is the only way we can be 100% sure. we lynch fitz tomorrow then work on {Lucca, You (sorry :z) or UD}

[Superhans]

wait until UD and Lucca turn up. we not gonna lynch MOI at all if anyone is inactive.

[Superhans]

Fitz isnt lynch bait.. stop trying to misrep me.

[Superhans]

Scum is:
x3
{UD, Revan, Lucca, MOI, Fitz}

i can't see any of these combinations working without MOI

[Superhans]

yes, but i would much much prefer MOI. like i think there is a chance Fitz is just incredibly deep in MOIs pocket.

[Superhans]

MagnaofIllusion"]"Doom everyone but me and you are possible scum".[/quote]
Nice try m8, but i dont think this qualifies as buddying. I have Doom as town.

[Superhans]

"Doom everyone but me and you are possible scum".

fixed tags.

dont think having 1 certain town read counts as buddying.

[Superhans]

i have a feeling that whatever i say, you'll make a post about how it is somehow a form of buddying, AtE, Buzzwords etc.

[Superhans]

Yup. But I think you're scum.

And if you are Town game is over so then it doesn't much matter how bad your read on Hans and myself is ...

I'd ask you to articulate why you think I am scum but I don't really care enough to bother.

fuck off m8, dont play the matyr card.

[Superhans]

Revan lurking all throughout today is going to get you scum read tomorrow.

[Superhans]

I'd prefer Fitz because thus sayeth Nahdia.

tru, but then MOI isntantly votes Fitz...

[Superhans]

think htat they are both Scum, but in scenario there is only 1 scum, it will be MOI.

[Superhans]

how did we not lynch hans...
i bet he got coached in day chat "ask a lot of questions, hans, you'll look more town". and i fell for it *groan*
well played scummers, particularly Doom "never lynch Doom" lol

i did actually get coached quite hard, great learning experience.

[Superhans]

Thank you Lucca and Fitz for being so patient and helpful X)

[Superhans]

I can be 100% confident that Superhans is town because he is one of the towniest players I have ever played with.

I may need to remove Doomfeathers from conftown status after my review of the game.

Superhans is not scum this game however; no ifs ands or buts.

gonna make one of these my signature.

[Superhans]

lol tru

[Superhans]

great playing with you UD, scary that you were so keen to get people to scum reading me for that hammer D2.

[Superhans]

MOI lost the game for town when he gave up trying to defend himself.

[Superhans]

MOI was it stupid not to want to be linked to players you know are going to be flipped to town?

i think you played really well but happened to be let down by your town team mates (D1 and D2 were not really your fault, Sesq + Moz just happened to be super lynch baity).

[Superhans]

Woot woot! Good to get the win.

I think scum for the most part played a pretty good game. lucca was under the radar almost the entire game and none of us faced any significant pressure until LYLO. We were helped by some lynchbait type town players and a willingness to trust/follow others (i.e. MOI and RC) blindly. That's all well and good to follow others when they are town and 100% spot on...but when their' reads are off even a little it leaves room for scum to direct wagons to their benefit. I.e. MOI's excellent cases on the first 2 mislynches and RC's firm scumread on MOI and townread on Hans before being eliminated.

Revan...I'm not sure why you even bother joining games. I'm still amazed you weren't one of the mislynches. Almost as amazing as us getting MOI mislynched for the win and with his biggest fanboy Doom being the one to place the tvt vote. smh....happy for the win.

As for the scum team...I had fun playing with both my partners. I think lucca was a solid level headed player who's only fault was probably too much iioa posting as someone pointed out (MOI or RC iirc). Superhans was fcuking driving me crazy. He would not shut the fcuk up in the thread and I kept waiting for his posting frenzies to bite us in the ass. Which some of his posts did but for whatever reason he got away with it. smh. And the two daykills we had were just a riot /sarcasm. Giving Hans control of them was like letting a hungry 5 yr old with ADHD loose in an ice cream parlor with a scooper and telling him to discuss which flavors he wanted before digging in. Fock.

One drunken WTF!!!!??? daykill on Hawk to start off our scum relationship. Assurances it would not happen again....and then an early AM WTF!!!!??? EXECUTIVE decision to kill RC. fcukfcukfcuk. At least the RC slot had been somewhat discussed as a target. Just not sure it was necessary or made at the best time. But it all worked out.

Regardless, I had fun with both my partners and we had a pretty active scumchat. I think I posted twice as much in there as I did the game itself.

Lastly,

thanks for the game mod.

lol did kinda get the sense from the scum thread that i was annoying you, sorry :z
i think i made us almost lose multiple times throughout the game, and the DK on RC must have been frustrating, but would you not agree it saved you from being lynched to a certain degree?

[Superhans]

thanks for the modding Karnos.

[Superhans]

Revan where were you?

[Superhans]

It's really exasperating knowing that I'm not going to live long enough to decide even 1 lynch.

I thought u were trying to WIFOM to.deliberately.get.yoursrlf killed to validate ur reads.

[Superhans]

Thx Lucca I learnt so much from u + Fitz this game