Open 671: Greater Idea - OVER

[Vaxkiller]

What made you watch Davesaz?

Protect Dave, not me.

I'm just vanilla now

Here is the quote that made me rethink dave.

[Vaxkiller]

2. Vax, please claim completely.

Town Watcher

[-Grey-]

What made you watch Davesaz?

Protect Dave, not me.

I'm just vanilla now

Here is the quote that made me rethink dave.

[Not_Mafia]

You misspelt werewolf

[-Grey-]

I am Mafia,but Charloux was my only partner, I'm pretty Vax is wolf and probably has a partner, if we lynch Vax you can tell me who to NK

Lol no.

Vax MIGHT be a wolf. You're CLAIMED mafia.

Find scum, Lynch scum.

You're the only acceptable lynch today. If you're the last mafia, that's your tough luck.

[Not_Mafia]

Okay cool have fun getting endgamed by wolves

[-Grey-]

Town vig should NOT claim here.

There is NO reason to think they should. It accomplishes no town goals when we already have a confirmed scum lynch.

Even speculating as to who they are is antitown.

Drop the vig talk. Don't do scum's job for them.

[bangthemafia]

Grey, I see your reasoning.

Why I suggested Vig claim was this-
Presence of town Vig almost surely tells us we hav only 1 killing scum faction.
Absence means 2 factions.
If there are 2 factions, thats the precise reason town has still not lost. The moment we lynch NM, if he is speaking truth, we will eliminate 1 faction- we will be helping the other faction by doing their job for them through our lynch.
So I thought that if there are 2 factions, it will help to lynch in the faction other than NM.

But I know I am thinking of worst case where we hav 4+3 and a vig OR 3+3+1. But its perfectly possible that we hav the best case where just 1 faction is there with only 1 or 2 scum left. And NM is trying hard to build suspicion among townies to try desperately not get lynched.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm Mafia Seer, Vax is wolf, I was hoping not to claim so wolves would keep me alive to get me lynched instead. I will kill whatever town consensus is, but if you lynch me game will probably end in a wolf win either when I'm lynched or after the night phase

[bangthemafia]

WTF. Tell us whom u investigated in Night 1 and Night 2?

Vax, tell us, whom did you watch on night 1?

@Grey, Alban, what are your thoughts?

[Not_Mafia]

I inspected you night 1, Vax night 2

[bangthemafia]

And what result you got on me?

[alban]

Very busy. Just skimmed through. No conclusive thoughts. Lots of questions though. Mostly regarding veracity. Will get back to it tomorrow.

[bangthemafia]

@Mod, sorry to ask this question. But I couldnt find the answer in your first page rules or the wiki for this setup.
Can mafia/werewolves use their night power action and the factional kill simultaneously?

[bangthemafia]

@Mod, sorry to ask this question. But I couldnt find the answer in your first page rules or the wiki for this setup.
Can mafia/werewolves use their night power action and the factional kill simultaneously?

[-Grey-]

Presence of town Vig almost surely tells us we hav only 1 killing scum faction.
Absence means 2 factions.

The Spade kill was a vig kill. End of story.

Scum would not have removed a free mislynch from the game.

[-Grey-]

If there are 2 factions, thats the precise reason town has still not lost.

The fact the game is ongoing is the precise reason we have not lost.

[-Grey-]

The moment we lynch NM, if he is speaking truth, we will eliminate 1 faction- we will be helping the other faction by doing their job for them through our lynch.

What has happened in this game to suggest a second scum faction?

Nothing whatsoever.

NM is scaremongering.

[bangthemafia]

Hmm. I ISOed Vax with NM. It does appear that NM thought of claiming Mafia Seer AFTER Vax outed him. Though NM voted for Vax almost as soon as day started, there was no explanation given on own or when asked for. Just before claiming Seer, NM also says "I am pretty sure Vax is wolf".

But something else is bothering me too about this Vax-NM claims. Will try to re-read tomorrow and put a finger on what.

[Vaxkiller]

I am Mafia,but Charloux was my only partner, I'm pretty Vax is wolf and probably has a partner, if we lynch Vax you can tell me who to NK

SO he comes out here and just syas he is mafia... but he is only "pretty (sure?) im a wolf". If you were a seer wouldn't you be absolutely?

Unless he was saying - I'm Pretty (referring to himself) and Vax is a wolf.

[Not_Mafia]

Presence of town Vig almost surely tells us we hav only 1 killing scum faction.
Absence means 2 factions.

The Spade kill was a vig kill. End of story.

Scum would not have removed a free mislynch from the game.

Scum don't want cult spreading either

[Not_Mafia]

I am Mafia,but Charloux was my only partner, I'm pretty Vax is wolf and probably has a partner, if we lynch Vax you can tell me who to NK

SO he comes out here and just syas he is mafia... but he is only "pretty (sure?) im a wolf". If you were a seer wouldn't you be absolutely?

Unless he was saying - I'm Pretty (referring to himself) and Vax is a wolf.

I wanted to hide my role, I already explained this, if people don't believe my claim they can believe you twisting my words here

[bangthemafia]

I am Mafia,but Charloux was my only partner, I'm pretty Vax is wolf and probably has a partner, if we lynch Vax you can tell me who to NK

SO he comes out here and just syas he is mafia... but he is only "pretty (sure?) im a wolf". If you were a seer wouldn't you be absolutely?

Unless he was saying - I'm Pretty (referring to himself) and Vax is a wolf.

LOLL

[bangthemafia]

Presence of town Vig almost surely tells us we hav only 1 killing scum faction.
Absence means 2 factions.

The Spade kill was a vig kill. End of story.

Scum would not have removed a free mislynch from the game.

Scum don't want cult spreading either

True! Important point

[Kop]

I am Mafia,but Charloux was my only partner, I'm pretty Vax is wolf and probably has a partner, if we lynch Vax you can tell me who to NK

Lol no.

Vax MIGHT be a wolf. You're CLAIMED mafia.

Find scum, Lynch scum.

You're the only acceptable lynch today. If you're the last mafia, that's your tough luck.

I agree with this, there's no leashing in any game. It's been done before, and it's detrimental. Scum trying to bargain with town in such a manner is trying to manipulate town to keep them alive so they can worm there way to achieve there win con.

With NM claim, even if he flips mafia seer, it doesn't clear Bang in my eyes. There's a potential that bang could be a partner with NM, NM sees you (grey) town reading him, this buys further into that investigation and Bang walks away smelling of roses.

Whilst yes Bang may be town read by some, this would further strengthen that read if NM does flip Mafia Seer.