Newbie 1777: Wedding In Vegas! [Game Over]

[UpTooLate]

Vote Count 1.01

[0]MMM -
[1]Firescreamer - MMM
[1]Meduna - JenLew
[0]Epid -
[0]JenLew -
[1]LadyeAeaea - Srceenplay
[2]SensFan - Drixx, Firescreamer
[0]Srceenplay -
[0]Drixx -

Not Voting - [4]Meduna, Epid, LadyeAeaea, SensFan


With

9

alive it takes

5

to lynch!

Mod Notes - Pagetop! I would like to bring attention to a rule of mine:

2. Votes must be at the beginning of a line to be counted.

I will count them this time, but I sometimes have to do VCs on my phone and this ensures I don't miss anything. Thanks!

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-02-27 22:55:55).

[Srceenplay]

Fine then. I think you have better understanding than me MMM.

The obvious scum is

VOTE: LadyeAeaea
I was going to let the cop investigate it first but it's obvious enough to just vote her and get her gone.

Oh wow. How did you get from NL to she is obvious scum?

MMM did a great job with his reasoning. Would you rather say NL? You didn't seem to care for it. Am I wrong?

[Srceenplay]

Just follow my lead and vote with me. You will be confirmed town when we lynch this scum together.

[JenLew]

Fine then. I think you have better understanding than me MMM.

The obvious scum is

VOTE: LadyeAeaea
I was going to let the cop investigate it first but it's obvious enough to just vote her and get her gone.

Oh wow. How did you get from NL to she is obvious scum?

MMM did a great job with his reasoning. Would you rather say NL? You didn't seem to care for it. Am I wrong?

No, you're right that I didn't care for it. I would just like to know how you could be so certain she's scum but stil willing to lose a lynching chance with a NL?

[JenLew]

Just follow my lead and vote with me. You will be confirmed town when we lynch this scum together.

One thing I do know for sure about the game is trust no one, espessially players more experienced than you

[Srceenplay]

You can't ever be 100% with out or info. So I wanted the pr info first. MMM made a good point why not to wait for it.
So I guess I will go with my 85% sure read.
If you are town with me you should vote with me and help me get more information for us.

[JenLew]

VOTE: Screenplay

Something's just off about your reasoning.

[Srceenplay]

Something off without reasoning or explanation?
I'm asking for your help and cooperation and that is off?
I'm asking you to help me lynch scum and that doesn't sit well with you?

You might have to explain a little better.

[MMM]

I like how he's still assuming we're guaranteed an inspecting PR

[Srceenplay]

I found one scum for us. Vote her up.
:Mic Drop:
I'm out.

[JenLew]

I like how he's still assuming we're guaranteed an inspecting PR

Well, to be fair we would have to have some sort of PR or the game would be broken (I.e. cop or tracker & watcher). But still, the whole "I know she's scum but let's rather waste a lynch" theory makes me a little uneasy

[MMM]

I like how he's still assuming we're guaranteed an

inspecting

PR

Well, to be fair we would have to have

some sort

of PR or the game would be broken (I.e. cop or tracker & watcher). But still, the whole "I know she's scum but let's rather waste a lynch" theory makes me a little uneasy

The reason I said specifically what I said is that Jailkeeper isn't

inspecting

whereas Tracker or Cop would be.

[LadyeAeaea]

Yeah okay we're not no lynching, that's fucking terrible lmao perfect way to not get any information. You're advocating to rely on PR's that might not exist, and to deny town the ability to vote analyse?

[LadyeAeaea]

Hiya folks. This is likely going to be my only post today but i'll make up for it tomorrow. Just super busy today. A couple of questions since we are all coming from different places

1. How much experience have you had with mafia before this game? Is this just your first game on this site or your first game?
2. Do you feel you have specific playstyle ticks that we should be aware of before hand? Obviously if you are super new this shouldn't apply
3. What are you hoping to get out of this game?

Oh and lets get our RVS on

VOTE: SensFan because the IC is always right. #AppealtoAuthority

1. I've played on another forum a few times and f2f a few times
2. Like what annoys me or how I play? I tend to look for inconsistencies but I usually play in *massive* set ups where town has a lot of mislynches left before they need to figure shit out. Is that what this question is asking?
3. I want to catch scum and show you all how smart I am ~~

[Epid]

Hello guys, sorry for taking so long to post, I totally forgot about this.
I'll read everything later on today as I'm still waking up. In the mean time I'll answer some questions.
1. I've played with a group of friends twice. So this is my first game.
2. I'm a newbie
3. I want to survive

[Drixx]

Also what exactly is a SE? And isn't there a direct incentive to not lynch the IC because they're useful - or can the IC still give us info if they're dead?

Most ICs are left alone the first day to answer questions, and then when we're town we're either night killed or pushed as a mislynch for not having been night killed. That's the meta anyway.

VOTE: no lynch
First day is always mislynch. Mafia would love that. Let's get to night so out invests can do there jobs.

Lynching is the only way to get to night without having to wait for 2 weeks

That is wrong. You can vote no lynch. Let the cop find the scum at night. That way we don't have to mislynch a town.

VOTE: nolynch

A no lynch is generally a very bad idea on day one. Day one is the day with the least information available to us. It also gives up the only power we have, which is the power of the lynch. Even if the day one lynch is going to hit town more often than not, it's still the correct play. We get to evaluate how people voted, how they justify their vote, etc... and we enter day 2 both having the information about how the day one lynch developed AND we see who the scum decided to kill at night, giving us actual information to work with.

A no lynch deprives us of anything and simply costs us a member without any gain. If we don't have a proper day one then we have absolutely no clues as to why the scum kill whomever they choose to kill.

So no ... a no lynch is not a good idea for day one, at least not in normal setups.

The other assumption is that you will be able to lynch scum without them getting information on a pr.

Scum will kill at night that is unavoidable. Mislynching is avoidable by
VOTE: no lynch

Are you ok with lynching a town? I'm not.

This is screaming scum vibes to me at this point.

I found one scum for us. Vote her up.
:Mic Drop:
I'm out.

And then the sudden reversal to this.

So the way I see it, one of two things is going on here.

1.) You realized the mistake of your no lynch push and jumped to this to try and get the attention off of that.
2.) You're scum and are making one heck of a gambit.

This only plays out a couple of ways. Since you have given no actual reasoning to believe she is scum, it logically follows you don't have any. Please do correct me if I'm wrong on this point.

So we could lynch you, and if you flip scum we can reasonably assume that either she's town or it was a gambit. It would be a pretty big stretch for it to be a gambit, but possible. If we lynch you and you flip town, we learn nothing whatsoever. If we lynch her and she flips town, then you go tomorrow, and if you're town that means you put us into 5 man LYLO with this stunt (presuming no kills are stopped).

I'm inclined to just assume we've got caught scum (you) in this bizarre turn of posts.

Please explain why and how you have "found one scum for us". If your explanation and reasoning make no sense, be prepared to defend yourself, because I can see absolutely zero town motive in your play so far, but lots and lots of potential scum motives.

[JenLew]

Also what exactly is a SE? And isn't there a direct incentive to not lynch the IC because they're useful - or can the IC still give us info if they're dead?

Most ICs are left alone the first day to answer questions, and then when we're town we're either night killed or pushed as a mislynch for not having been night killed. That's the meta anyway.

VOTE: no lynch
First day is always mislynch. Mafia would love that. Let's get to night so out invests can do there jobs.

Lynching is the only way to get to night without having to wait for 2 weeks

That is wrong. You can vote no lynch. Let the cop find the scum at night. That way we don't have to mislynch a town.

VOTE: nolynch

A no lynch is generally a very bad idea on day one. Day one is the day with the least information available to us. It also gives up the only power we have, which is the power of the lynch. Even if the day one lynch is going to hit town more often than not, it's still the correct play. We get to evaluate how people voted, how they justify their vote, etc... and we enter day 2 both having the information about how the day one lynch developed AND we see who the scum decided to kill at night, giving us actual information to work with.

A no lynch deprives us of anything and simply costs us a member without any gain. If we don't have a proper day one then we have absolutely no clues as to why the scum kill whomever they choose to kill.

So no ... a no lynch is not a good idea for day one, at least not in normal setups.

The other assumption is that you will be able to lynch scum without them getting information on a pr.

Scum will kill at night that is unavoidable. Mislynching is avoidable by
VOTE: no lynch

Are you ok with lynching a town? I'm not.

This is screaming scum vibes to me at this point.

I found one scum for us. Vote her up.
:Mic Drop:
I'm out.

And then the sudden reversal to this.

So the way I see it, one of two things is going on here.

1.) You realized the mistake of your no lynch push and jumped to this to try and get the attention off of that.
2.) You're scum and are making one heck of a gambit.

This only plays out a couple of ways. Since you have given no actual reasoning to believe she is scum, it logically follows you don't have any. Please do correct me if I'm wrong on this point.

So we could lynch you, and if you flip scum we can reasonably assume that either she's town or it was a gambit. It would be a pretty big stretch for it to be a gambit, but possible. If we lynch you and you flip town, we learn nothing whatsoever. If we lynch her and she flips town, then you go tomorrow, and if you're town that means you put us into 5 man LYLO with this stunt (presuming no kills are stopped).

I'm inclined to just assume we've got caught scum (you) in this bizarre turn of posts.

Please explain why and how you have "found one scum for us". If your explanation and reasoning make no sense, be prepared to defend yourself, because I can see absolutely zero town motive in your play so far, but lots and lots of potential scum motives.

You took all the words right out of my mouth. I'm still waiting for the explanation on why all of a sudden she's scum and why not vote for her from the beginning if he knew it but rather pushed for a no lynch. This doesn't make sense at all. My vote still stands unless someone can come up with some miraculous reason for it to change. I think the scum claim was just to get the attention in the other direction since it was coming down on him hard. I could be wrong but then at least I'll have something to go on next day.

[Srceenplay]

What will you have to go on the next day when you find out you lost the town hero?

[Srceenplay]

@drixx
I have explained why I decided against the nolynch. MMM did a great job explaining why it's not good.
Why is my vote bad? Read her ISO. Obvious.

[MMM]

If you're assuming LadyeAeaea + Drixx based on post 24 that's a longshot

[Srceenplay]

A long shot that now two people seen independently?

[MMM]

I mean I have to admit I had my own thoughts about that but I don't want to jump to conclusions.

[Srceenplay]

Well I did.
Plus she posted since and ignored my vote and fact that I called her scum.

[MMM]

I wonder what the two people who haven't posted yet think about this.

[Drixx]

I count four posts since I asked for an explanation of why she's scum. None of them give any reason to evaluate. One of them is a clear dodge.