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[TTTT]

(Any reads?)

Lowell and SS are town.
never lynch them
frogger makes me nervous
but I'm intrigued by his read on bella

[borkjerfkin]

I do see; she feels comfortable in her own skin in what you linked.

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, esp in the sample size we have. Noting and keeping my eye on it, but fuck if i havent been burned by meta recently and i am probably going to keep to motivational and interactive methods of scumhunting this game, esp considering i have played with none of you personally

[TTTT]

@eddie

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and you have been contributing. you're a town lean for me.

what exactly has Bork done to earn a tr that can't be easily faked by scum?

[borkjerfkin]

Lowell and SS are town.

Why is lowell town

[Fro99er]

Why is everyone saying I'm making them nervous but nobody is voting me?

[borkjerfkin]

Well i can only speak for myself, but i am not currently scumreading you

[Fro99er]

I do see; she feels comfortable in her own skin in what you linked.

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, esp in the sample size we have. Noting and keeping my eye on it, but fuck if i havent been burned by meta recently and i am probably going to keep to motivational and interactive methods of scumhunting this game, esp considering i have played with none of you personally

I get that.

I'm a heavy meta player. I also do preflip associatives. In other words, I'm the perfect player that scum love to criticize for relying too much on meta and preflip stuff. But I do it anyway, and fuck it if it doesn't work. I called the whole scumteam on D1 in that game with bella (although at the end of D1 I settled on 2 of the 3 scum).

That said, other things can move me off meta reads, but it's where I start.

[borkjerfkin]

Eh im back and forth on lowell. Some of the catchup looked genuine

Don't ask me to explain the difference, I probably can't.

[TTTT]

Why is lowell town

tonal read
all 3 of his posts are dripping towniness
taking the game serious but still relaxed and not at all concerned with how he's viewed by others

[borkjerfkin]

Probably need to reeval GL as i get better reads elsewhere

Also read on sbf will probably give me a better indication if i'm "too many townread"ing it up somewhere else

[Eddie Cane]

@eddie

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and you have been contributing. you're a town lean for me.

what exactly has Bork done to earn a tr that can't be easily faked by scum?

I thought I answered this?

[Eddie Cane]

and you have been contributing. you're a town lean for me.

what exactly has Bork done to earn a tr that can't be easily faked by scum?

town read is different from town lean. it's early d1, strong reads are rare. I'll quote stuff in a sec on mobile and formatting is hard

VOTE: Sobolev Space

Hi Sobolev! I'm town this time, are you?

VOTE: GuiltyLion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

@GL: any thoughts on how SS responded to your Q or were just using this as an RVS opening

to me it seemed if she were scum she'd likely have focused on directly addressing the question in the latter part of the statement rather than focusing on paranoia wrt the former part
i'll admit i have fuckall else to go on in this game so far

VOTE: GuiltyLion

you're straining the bounds of my credulity that you think because someone (who recently got snowed by you at that) just saw your scumgame that they'd never possibly roll town and legitimately misread you again; it instead sounds like posturing

i ask how many games you played because people misread each other game after game after game and someone who's been on site and has played 40+ games should know that

p-edit: this one.

i am curious as to how you differentiate how scum-me handles that on a townie vs on a buddy

generating conversation actively. this game has been extremely slow so that's a plus. scum has no reason to start discussion when the game is at this pace, there's no reason for them to when everyone is around the null mark for the most part.

[borkjerfkin]

Why is lowell town

tonal read
all 3 of his posts are dripping towniness
taking the game serious but still relaxed and not at all concerned with how he's viewed by others

Meh. at worst that is a personality tell. I know plenty of unflappable scum and defensive town.

[TTTT]

what I really want is bella to talk about Frog

[TTTT]

@ed
sorry I missed that.

[borkjerfkin]

what I really want is bella to talk about Frog

Me too.

[Lowell]

Why is everyone saying I'm making them nervous but nobody is voting me?

Because it's going to be a whole goddam thing. I'll do it when I'm ready.

@bork- my post was more or less "things that caught my eye while reading." And yes, you're a try-hard.

I don't remember who posted this first, but I now agree, SS is probably town. In ISO he looks okay.

[Sobolev Space]

@Lowell - what caused the change in your read on me from 114 to now?

[GuiltyLion]

Now that I reread it, the second sentence looks like trying to keep suspicion on. The first sentence also kinda looks like GL read into what Bork was trying to get at and answered accordingly.

It is absolutely meant to keep suspicion on. I didn't like the naked vote and I didn't like her response to me, I see no reason to townread SBF yet. This thought from you feels intellectually lazy, as if you're operating from a framework where casting suspicion on anyone is automatically scummy.

[GuiltyLion]

I'm about here

{bork, TTTT}
{lowell, eddie}
{SS, bella}
{fro99er}
{SBF}

let's wagon this
VOTE: SweetBlueFlowers

[Fro99er]

Now that I reread it, the second sentence looks like trying to keep suspicion on. The first sentence also kinda looks like GL read into what Bork was trying to get at and answered accordingly.

It is absolutely meant to keep suspicion on. I didn't like the naked vote and I didn't like her response to me, I see no reason to townread SBF yet. This thought from you feels intellectually lazy, as if you're operating from a framework where casting suspicion on anyone is automatically scummy.

Keeping suspicion on =/= scummy. I never said that. I feel like you knew what bork was looking for and answered accordingly.

Do I have proof of that? No. But it's how it appeared to me on a reread.

[GuiltyLion]

generally I feel like fro99er is making too big of a deal out of what I perceive to be a pretty throwaway comment from bella in 51. Like I don't think "bork/GL interaction is not S-S" is

that

strong of a conclusion, and I can pretty easily envision worlds where town!Bella makes that remark.

bork, I feel you in that fro99er believes in the logic in his meta push on bella, but I don't think you should conflate that with whether he believes in the conclusion, and I think that's the beauty of it. If he's scum here, he can start with a flawed assumption ("bella jumped to a conclusion early"), then use a valid, well-sourced argument about her play that he honestly believes ("town Bella doesn't jump to conclusions early") to make a convincing case and a plausible scumread. It's something I recognize in my own scum play, I try to drum up cases that are plausibly and logically sound and then sell them with conviction to mask the fact that I already know the conclusion is wrong.

[Fro99er]

then vote me, not sbf

Here's some wifom, but why would I push bella if I were scum? It does me no good to push her when I know she's going to initially be paranoid of me as town (because she always is when she's town). Especially after the only other time I rolled scum while bella was town was the very first time I played with her, and I pushed her there. My best play as scum is to buddy her, make her feel comfortable with me, and go from there. It does a scum version of me no good to push bella here at this stage of the game.


Also, why are you townreading eddie? I don't really see a reason to townread him yet.

[Fro99er]

Add GL to the list of people willing to scumread me but not vote me.

[Eddie Cane]

then vote me, not sbf

Here's some wifom, but why would I push bella if I were scum? It does me no good to push her when I know she's going to initially be paranoid of me as town (because she always is when she's town). Especially after the only other time I rolled scum while bella was town was the very first time I played with her, and I pushed her there. My best play as scum is to buddy her, make her feel comfortable with me, and go from there. It does a scum version of me no good to push bella here at this stage of the game.


Also, why are you townreading eddie? I don't really see a reason to townread him yet.

sbf is a good vote for now. he has basically checked in and that's it. this game is new but God damn 2 short posts with no content is not enough. voting will pressure him to actually do something - or justify voting me at the the very least.