Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!


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Post Post #2775 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:05 am

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In post 2774, Cooperative Sheep wrote:Nice to see the mass claim. In other news, I was right
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What do you think of LUV's Motion Detector claim?



As per your lynch-pool comment:
In post 2220, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I have my lynch pool as Grendel, LUV, and Nancy in no particular order I can describe.
In post 2220, Cooperative Sheep wrote:but can see how Matt could do what he said he did as town - it's basically my reason the the abrupt massclaim demand, if we get no other PR claims then I think Matt is actually not a lynch I support today, if we get even one other then I'd vote park him until he was lynched.
Thus, did LUV=town PR make you realise MGB=scum?
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Post Post #2776 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:06 am

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Heil King Froggo.
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Post Post #2777 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:10 am

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In post 2775, Keyser Söze wrote:Thus, did LUV=town PR make you realise MGB=scum?
I had already, and repeatedly, commented on my scum opinion on MGB, you even quoted me doing so.
What the claim did was take a very mild scumread, pop him into the PR pool, and make me go 'clearly at least one scum is in this pool'.
I then voted my strongest scumread from that pool.
The PR pool is 4 (or 3 if you're a claimed PR)
The VT pool is 5 (or 6 if you're a claimed VT)
I'm willing to wager any amount you care to that we have one scum in each pool - I can do math. What's your boggle exactly?
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Post Post #2778 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:28 am

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Yes, I'm a VT - I didn't formally confirm earlier, but implied it.
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We should update the list of claims for reference.

Yes, your move to MGB makes sense now -
to confirm, in terms of scumminess, your view is:

MGB-PR claim > LUV-PR claim > Grendel-VT claim > Nancy-VT claim?
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Post Post #2779 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:29 am

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Regardless of sheep's alignment I don't see any inconsistency in their position.
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post Post #2780 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:32 am

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JarJarDrinks' changing read on MGB at the end of D2 - scum distancing or fake scum distancing?


[Quotes all in chronological order]

JarJarDrinks doesn't want to lynch MGB:

"Terrible reads. Vifam is the only person in this list that I'd consider lynching today."

JarJarDrinks liked the defense MGB gave for himself:

"Because matt gave a good explanation for what I thought was scummy."

JarJarDrinks thinks MGB is scum (with fro99er and nancy):

"Yeah matt's probably the last scum. It looks like frog is trying to do exactly what nancy did."

JarJarDrinks is suspecting a Fro99er-MGB scum team:

"You say Matt is scum because of associations w/ me. Then when I flip green, you can abandon that read."

JarJarDrinks not completely sold on scum-MGB:

"It's not as transparent as nancys was though. I'm not totally sure about Matt. But I'm damn sure about you and nancy."

JarJarDrinks is saying fro99er has bussed MGB:

"He's nervous that I called out his bus."

JarJarDrinks lists his scum reads. His strongest scum read is now MGB:

"Last scum is in mattblackguy/Lil Uzi Vert/Akarin/Grendel. My main pick right now is Matt though frog is making me start to doubt they're on the same team. Will dig these guys more."

JarJarDrinks has now ditched his fro99er-MGB scum team theory:

"I do think frog/matt scumteam is impossible now. Why would scumfrog derail a wagon on me to push a wagon on scummatt?"



- JarJar flip-flopping on MGB at the end of D2 looks suspicious.
- JarJar was happy to push hard on both Nancy and fro99er too.
- his scum reads of "mattblackguy/Lil Uzi Vert/Akarin/Grendel" is guaranteed to have at least one scum in it (as per typical scum-distancing death-bed play).
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Post Post #2781 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:34 am

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[L-1] mattblackguy - Lil Uzi Vert, Keyser Söze, nancy, Fro99er, Cooperative Sheep

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Post Post #2782 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:35 am

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In post 2777, Cooperative Sheep wrote:What's your boggle exactly?
In short:

You must really love/trust LUV's PR claim, to put him as
least-likely-to-be-scum
over MGB, Grendel and Nancy. Correct?
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Post Post #2783 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:37 am

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In post 2780, Keyser Söze wrote:
JarJarDrinks lists his scum reads. His strongest scum read is now MGB:

"Last scum is in mattblackguy/Lil Uzi Vert/Akarin/Grendel. My main pick right now is Matt though frog is making me start to doubt they're on the same team. Will dig these guys more."
Correction: "Last scum", not scum-reads.
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Post Post #2784 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:29 am

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Just posting to say I still think Matt is town, and thus will not be voting him.
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Post Post #2785 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:34 am

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6 days

UNVOTE: MGB
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Post Post #2786 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:36 am

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@Rauth, why aren't you voting LUV then?
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Post Post #2787 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:41 am

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I want to see what the night results are, but am not confident in lynching anyone.
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Post Post #2788 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:42 am

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NLing isn't an impossible move tbh.
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Post Post #2789 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:46 am

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I know. I'm voting for a No Lynch right now.
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Post Post #2790 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:49 am

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What are the pros of a No Lynch here?
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Post Post #2791 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:52 am

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Scum knows who is town and who isn't. Town doesn't. What happens during the night will help us determine who is town and who is scum, without the risk of mislynching.
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Post Post #2792 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:52 am

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I should say assuming there isn't a traitor. That would change things.
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Post Post #2793 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:53 am

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The problem is that scum can opt to no kill and leave us in the same position we're in now.
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Post Post #2794 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:56 am

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In post 2782, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2777, Cooperative Sheep wrote:What's your boggle exactly?
In short:

You must really love/trust LUV's PR claim, to put him as
least-likely-to-be-scum
over MGB, Grendel and Nancy. Correct?
You're inventing a stance that I haven't made.

You seem to imply that I have to have town -> scum reads on a single scale.
Meanwhile I have presented that I am operating on a theory of two scum, one each in two different groups - therefore I have a scum read that looks like this of my top 4 presented scum reads;

Scummiest Group VT
Nancy
Grendel
Towniest Group VT

Scummiest Group PR
Matt
Uzi
Towniest Group PR

There is, presuming I am right on my two pools theory, and I feel very confident that I am, a higher percentage chance of my scum picks from the PR group to be correct than for my picks from the VT group.

I voted accordingly.
Does my stance make sense now?
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Post Post #2795 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:57 am

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In post 2793, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The problem is that scum can opt to no kill and leave us in the same position we're in now.
That is also information though.

Of course the reverse argument is we could lynch now, and also get the info from a scum kill/no kill.
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Post Post #2796 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:57 am

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In post 2793, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The problem is that scum can opt to no kill and leave us in the same position we're in now.
with an extra cop investigation and motion detector result.

but yeah maybe not good move.
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Post Post #2797 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:04 am

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The more I look at LUV's claim the more it feels like town to me also - really derptastic choice if he was scum in that situation.
I don't think he's derptastic.
I might actually put him as more town than Rauth in the PR claims, and I generally town read Rauth.
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Post Post #2798 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:05 am

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Yeah, I'm going with that, I think Rauth is the most suspect PR after Matt.

But there's like a friggin' football field or five between them on the scale of my reads.
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Post Post #2799 (ISO) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:29 am

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Thanks Sheep, that is very clear now.

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