So Pine gets an sizeable page 1 wagon – 2/3rds of the votes needed for lynch. Do we think this is 100% Town BTW?
I have my doubts. Given the general lack of conversation about it (other than from Infinity, who was Town) there is an awful lack of attention to it in the moment. But Pine’s relative coolness under fire feels to me like they were not really worried about catching three more “for yuks” votes. So at worst we are probably looking at only 1 scum on the wagon at this stage.In post 26, Firebringer wrote:Vote Count 1.01
Pine [6] The Thinker, Aj the Epic, Infinity 324, Desperado, Heartless, PrettyPrincess
I would like to call people’s attentions to the Pine versus Heartless balance discussion starting at 114 and using that as a mirror to the recent Nero versus Heartless “AJ is likely scum” discussion. The echoes there are pretty palpable.
Also Nero’s entrance looks forced as heck. Specifically 180 where he posits that Pine is the one most likely to be White-Knighting Titus early but manages to land right on the Sir Cakez counter-wagon – 181.
And by page 12ish the wagons have swung to the following –
Again – knowing that Cakez was Town does anyone think this wagon was 100% Town? I don’t think that’s likely given this is what developed as an eventual counter-wagon to Pine.In post 362, Firebringer wrote:Vote Count 1.05
Pine [2] The Thinker, Aj the Epic
SirCakez [6] Aeronaut, alban, Nero Cain, BBMolla, Lil Uzi Vert, Infinity 324
Reminder – 364 may be relevant dependening on who gets Rogue Leader Day 1.
Mastin’s entrance at 512 may be very relevant depending on whether anything develops the rest of the day based on her “first instinct is Pine scum”. A vote for Pine shows up shortly afterwards (after a quick hop on the SirCakez wagon) but at this point Pine was in no danger.
And then we get Nero potentially chain-sawing for Pine at 543.
I don’t see 606 re: Mastin as partner posting personally. Same with 628 it doesn’t serve mastin and Pine partners for Pine to pre-emptively undermine Mastin’s ability to smoothly transition to a Town read on Pine.
I’ll note in my re-read that I am halfway through Day 1 and Aero (aka Ziefiend aka scum) still has not returned to the thread. He finally shows up to provide content on page 34. What I see is a bunch of comments regarding posts saying this is suspect and that is suspect with little drawn from it. Aka filler posting. Same with page 44 posting. It looks good but there is not drive in those posts to actually solve the game.
And look … Day 1 Nero was selling the same crap “Player X doesn’t want to bus” garbage (759) as he is now … only this time it is Mastin not wanting to bus Town SirCakez.
On page 36 Heartless seems to have twigged to Pine’s scumminess. Does a vote move follow?
Heartless’s vote for Pine at 1038 is solid Town given the state of the wagons on Page 42.
Aero’s 1118 twigged me for the comment “Pine’s post here is definitely sort of off” as it goes to the heart of what I have been saying about this slot. He’s willing to express some mild suspicion but not willing to vote what is a Top wagon (with AJ the other at this point). And the undermining of Klingon for the Pine vote at 1122 is bad.
And by Page 46 Pine is back to the dominant wagon. Note Nero’s 1142 and 1144. And also we get a discrediting run at mastin at 1147 for his vote on Pine. And more Nero attacking mastin for voting Pine at 1310.
I am a bit bothered that both AJ and BB has had so little impact in almost 50 pages that neither has shown up in my re-read notes …
And by 1474 a lurker lynch has derailed the potential lynch on Pine scum.
No way a wagon on scum Pine got to 6 votes late in the day and Pine is the only scum vote on this wagon.In post 1474, Firebringer wrote:The Thinker [LYNCH] TheWayItEnds, Heartless, Infinity 324, AJ the Epic, Pine-A-Tonics, Desperado, SirCakez, Drunken Piper, Klingoncelt
So coming out of Day 1 – I can’t see how anyone is selling me on “Pine interactions” being damning to anyone but Nero. He pretty much spent the day browbeating votes on Pine and his long term read on mastin developed today for mastin scum reading Pine and wanting him voted.
Does not compute.
Aero still looks like scum active lurking. Unimpressed by AJ and BB's posting but neither was actively looking to fight the Pine wagon like Nero.
Day 2 read through probably comes tomorrow. However I’m not expecting a guilty will be as informative as today.