(NSFW) Mini 1882 - TPTG Mafia 1.5: The Fappening (NoWins)

[Gorkington]

someone talk townie to me.
mm.

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No.

Now punish me

if this were a different kind of game, i could tie you up.

but.

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yeah.
i said that.

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i did it everyone.

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podoboq and all in not so much though.

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flaccid.

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Don't kink-shame me.

i have a turkey baster with your name written on it if you start acting town.

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the trick is to just look at people and decide if theyre scum or not.

p-edit: okay how about a bad time instead?

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we can go dry if you want, just might be more painful for you, yknow?

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not everything is about you.
especially not the last two posts i made.

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do you need some glasses?
maybe that would help.

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here:

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i dont explain reads until page 10.
or until i feel like it.

and right now the only thing i feel is a wistful longing for true pleasure.

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inability to vote is going to make this harder than usual.
and not in a good way.

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or is that just in your best interest because you're dangerously close to being unable to partner up :s

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we could vote to hammer a scumread.
and then that person isnt allowed to be partnered with someone.

and then if they try and partner themselves with someone really town, thats basically a scumclaim.

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actually yeah the idea of forcing generally scummy people to partner up earlygame is something id advocate for.

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what do you mean?

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ohhh wait no i follow you.
i mean, can start with townie people making links and then go from there.

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though theres potential issues with that via the nightkill.

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yuh

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or you could potentially kill two scum with the following day?

almost as if earlygame was the keyword there.

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cool of you to come in and shit on everything but also suggest nothing alternative though.

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or we could just not plan anything and just do whatever.
thats fun.

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right.

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i officially hate owls and its all your fault.

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im not.

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it'll happen by accident.

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lol.

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there absolutely has to be some manner of mechanic in place to prevent scum from just locking together every cycle.
that would be broken.

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so, in your opinion, you think we should just partner with whoever we feel like this cycle?

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thinkbig is probably scum.

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top secret.

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I don't have an actual case on ThinkBig.

FTFY

thats not what i said.

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i'll have to get back to you on that.

This dick is town

:'v

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always here to disappoint.

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rach.
whatre your reads.

or for the purposes of being inappropriate:
"can u reveal urself ohohohehehehaha"

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Eager to jump on...why?

hi fresh did you roll scum with thinkbig?

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yeah thats valid.
especially since the two of you have actually partnered up.
:')

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i want to lynch the fuck out of people and i cant.

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dramonic is more likely town.

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glad the glasses are helping

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Unless the existence of night actions is secret

you should take a little more time to read things methinks.

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podo you have reads other than dram?

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can you share your bad reads anyway.

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can you talk at me about why fresh/thinkbig partners doesnt seem likely to you?

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ah gotcha. im actually thinking its possible that scum can partner up. pretty worried that this setup is broken though. :/

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i mean. its overall an open setup. and im really struggling to see how certain aspects of it arent possible to abuse to the detriment of town in a really really terrible way.

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everything about fresh/thinkbig interactions scream "no this isnt real". fresh is asking for people to partner with him. thinkbig says "lol okay" for basically no reason when fresh has done nothing. fresh responds by saying "hmmmm well yes hm yes i am trying to sort you definitely hmmm".

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you also have that thinkbig doesnt even respond and fresh drops it entirely. and that fresh's response to being pushed about it is really weird and defensive. but i mean.

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im probably not understanding how this is going to cascade forward.

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Meh. The only way that works is if they are both Scum and know that Fresh can't "Get Kinky" with ThinkBig due to Off-Limit kinks. Or scum don't have Daytalk which the very Nightless nature of the game I think disproves.

this is assuming that scum arent willing to partner and also assuming that even if its not optimal for scum to partner that thinkbig might not have realized that it was not optimal. assuming that scum are "too good" to do something is pretty limiting. and thinkbig is like really really realllllllly likely scum as things stand.

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i dont even understand how magna hasnt mentioned thinkbig once when hes literally scumclaiming with every post. >.>

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thinkbig. i think that should be pretty clear with the context?

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well you implied "first and second scumreads" as if he wasnt one of them.

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you could just not if its such a hardship for you.

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I don't like this post. I don't remember, since it's been a while since i've played with Goofball, but these scattered and unsubstantiated posts are more annoying than helpful. Sure, it's probably gut, and this might be town, but this is really lame.

what about that specific post was disagreeable with you.
even if its vague i would like words.

how would you describe your expectation of dgb's posting style?
what is scattered/unsubstantiated about her posts and is scatteredness typically a trait that you associate with scum?

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Oh and I'm not a lurker. I just don't post pages each day like some players on this site. Lol

youre supposed to make a big deal about how much of a big deal i made about you and thinkbig.
what gives.

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what makes you think so DGB?

Out-of-game banter is scummy

is this not an explanation?

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if it makes you feel better
im starting to understand things.
kind of.

i imagine most people struggling will probably get it by d2.

p-edit: how dare you

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i know.

it was kind of applicable to me earlier in this game though.

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inb4 5 people die today.

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If there are multiple players, a second chance will be given. If there are still multiple players after this, they will all be lynched.

literally right beside it.
and that wasnt even me.

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lol.
are you being condescending after being the most wrong person ever?

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let me just bust out some statistics to prove your vague 92% statement about a joke i was making wrong.
or maybe youre just being really assy about something that doesnt matter at all.

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like "ohohohoo" man what a big deal after you couldnt be fucked to read a single line in the rules in its entirety and tried to use that to shit on my face when it was actually dramonic you were annoyed at.

what a fucking pointless thing to make a big deal about.

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thanks.
you missed a spot though.

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s'all good

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It looks like someone is making a big deal about this, but it's not me.

please get lynched today.

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im somehow agreeing with moi that kuroi's participation in this game is starting to feel like vapid attempts at appearing to participate in the game when hes actually just doing nothing.
i wouldnt pretend to be confident about that though.

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nice of you to show her how its done.

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that was almost coherent snarky nice job a step up for you bud.

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i would agree that fresh feels a little townier.

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pretty sure ive attacked moi. and he hasnt called me scum.

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i dont even understand how magna hasnt mentioned thinkbig once when hes literally scumclaiming with every post. >.>

well you implied "first and second scumreads" as if he wasnt one of them.

if moi was going to scumread every person who threw shit at him, he probably would have pushed back on me harder for this.
but i dont think thats what hes doing this game.
and i really struggle to see how you could think that beyond just the example of yourself.

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you were both being so nice and supportive to each other until just now

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are you townreading thinkbig.

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actually im not sure i care.
youre probably town.

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dram
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rach, podo,
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dgb, shos, all in, snarky
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moi, fresh
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nn
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kuroi
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thinkbig

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Is there anyone you think might not be scum?

she said four slots she thought could have scum and said the others are varying degrees of townread. not sure where youre getting the idea shes waffling on anything in particular.

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other than maybe that shes saying she might be wrong about her townreads? which is probably valid. i think im probably wrong about at least one of my townreads too. would be arrogant to think otherwise.

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thought you said you were going to respond to the reasons he gave.

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moi can be town.

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thinkbig is still in this game.
tyvm.

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and ur also a ded man walkin

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oh god.

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???
that was kuroi, not jaqen?

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he asked you a question.
i dont understand how thats painting you in an ill light at all.

the followup does paint you in an ill light.
and you didnt respond to it.

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doing some mafia homework.

podo/shos could be a probable scum pair.
otherwise podo is townish still.

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are you about to sneeze

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its a gimmick alt.

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Scum will name a player to be killed, and the night phase will be resolved immediately. Dawn will begin.

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i dont have fucking words.

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i wonder if snarky has templates of posts and then just rngs whose names to put in.

p-edit: what exactly is he defending against...??????
so much content for him to respond to there.
:/

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i hope you understand how fake youre sounding right now.

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i hope you understand how fake youre sounding right now.

Anything useful to say?

nah.

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how even. without the rejection mechanic, theres no control whatsoever over who lives and who dies, just who does what successfully first.

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they made a huge announcement regarding it?

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The mod did say 24 hours so honestly that's on Snarky for not paying attention. But it definitely makes Kuroi my strongest scum read presently.

this setup feels undercooked.

all-in is probably my only guess for scum in the group of people thats left.
which means the lynch probably isnt landing on scum today.

im glad that snarky being useless has been a solid boon to scum and also that this mechanic basically allows scum to abuse lurkers.
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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like, i honestly dont see any motivation to even try anymore.
what power do i have in this setup to accomplish anything?
just saying no to people if im online when they target me?

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fresh might be scum btw.
not that it really matters ;')

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gj

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shouldnt the rule be 48 hours?
does it even include VLA?

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are there good reasons for all-in being town?

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can confirm that theres a reason shos is worth keeping around. im honestly kind of feeling all in is the most likely out of the remaining pile to flip scum. its also possible that all of the scum have matched up though.
really dont know if thats worth a double-lynch though.

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especially since rach is probably mechanically town? unless the rule was introduced partially because otherwise rach's role in scum's hands meant that the setup was literally broken?
[would still be kind of broken even so though]

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gahhh
im getting scared that im trusting too much that the mods wouldnt make rach's prefs scum.
:/

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I kind of feel this is against the rules. I'm expecting this to possibly end Snarky's play here.

the post implies that the game is over. and you can be town when you start playing the game beyond nitpicking nonsense at people's posts that isnt NAI.

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@moi, does scum do that when they know that itll make them look awful as fuck though?

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i guess technically it doesnt even really matter because technically she could have just targeted anyone and gotten linked on d1 even if she was scumread. it just seems like complete mod oversight to put in a role like that for scum and not realize that it basically gave them the win without the update to the ruleset.

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also dgb is out of my townpile now. thats fun.

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you know you could just do nothing if youre scum. it effectively results in the same thing. either you match a lurker who isnt around to stop you or you dont and you die. people's opinion of you doesnt change that.

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the sum of your recent contributions to the game involve literally 0 reads. at most youre pushing bad angles on people and then doing nothing with them. saying "oh dram y r u not defending urself" against nothing, which is already pretty overly pointlessly nitpicky [ie what is even scummy about dram there], but then ALSO not even following it up with "dram is scum" or applying any kind of pressure there. youre just floating about the game doing nothing but complaining about moi and the ruleset.

theres also the incredibly lame partnering with snarky. you came into the cycle basically saying "snarky was kinda IFFY last night guys" and then nothing changes except snarky lurking more so you partner them again right away without any discussion?

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you dont think snarky is town but you linked them instantly.

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lol. you realize that with things going as they are now, youre going to have to die in order for town to win if snarky is scum, right?

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youre going to get linked to snarky this cycle unless things change. you wont have a choice in the matter. and give a readslist if you want, but i really cant imagine you changing my mind at this point, especially when i have to spoonfeed you shit to say to me.

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okay, new thought. lets say kuroi is scum and everyone knows it. him doing this is padding content of the thread and making it harder for people to catch up and letting scummates bury themselves. lets stop please? nobody is going to start townreading kuroi at this point, so this is an exercise in futility and anti-town. and i realize this is also me saying this to myself.

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zzzzzz. theres a timeline as to whether you die right now or not.

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Some things are best left unsaid...for now.

no.
explain this.

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yes.
or im assuming that was a scumclaim.

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k.
kuroi then jaqen.
with all of our control over lynching.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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that hes claiming anything means hes scum.

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scum do have a nightkill btw.
not sure where youre getting that from podo.
tonight scum will be able to kill:

Scum will name a player to be killed, and the night phase will be resolved immediately. Dawn will begin.

Each new day, the Orgy starts anew. Any Lovers are treated as a single slot for the purposes of Orgy Mechanic, although only the first player involved in a Get Kinky request will count for the Off-Limits check. IE Player A and B are lovers, and Player C requests to Get Kinky with Player B. Even if Player A isn't compatible with Player C, this would still work.

This is the Commune of Free Love, and we don't judge. Lover groups can be of any size, however, remember that they are all lynched or night killed together.

Each day phase will start with an odd-number of playerslots. If at any time this cannot be accomplished, the Town will win.

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so scum gets a nightkill essentially only if book of love isnt used?

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How is anything EVER confirmed on this game?

im going to start ignoring you until i have the opportunity to advocate you being dead if you keep speaking in cryptic bullshit like this about something clearly impossible.

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except there are no power roles in the game.
sorry to your scummates.

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i dont know where i got that in my head.

i swear i fucking saw that in the setup somewhere -.-

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i) im not brilliant and never have been.
ii) its been 24 hours since shos proposed to me and i didnt reject.

podo has about 9 hours to make up his mind at this point.

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if jaqen is town, dgb is probably the scum in the moi/dgb partnering.

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shos's extra bullshit wouldnt be particularly contingent on jaqen.

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thing is that i feel like rach/all-in are pretty likely town.
if jaqen is town he wouldnt lie.
if hes scum he would be fucking himself over hard by doing this if one of them was scum.

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okay whatever, if rach/all-in insta-link me then we have claimed scum in jaqen/rach/all-in.

get kinky with gork

We are both town. Rach is, too, and as such she will probably get to choose who gets lynched out of the rest...sadly these might both be town..

No, Just Sayin'

for now at least while we talk this shit out.

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its not meta.

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and if jaqen targets kuroi/snarky and claims theres two scum in there or something along those lines?
does it mean jack shit then?

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hard to explain without elaborating on what shos told me, but it is different and does make sense even in context of me not knowing that are roles.

The desperation of losing both partners would be a reason for that sort of gambit.

kuroi would have to be town for that to be true.

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also there wont be a nightkill with book of love being used as well.
same reason there was no nightkill last night.

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thats the claim.

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:/

feeling dgb scum right now.

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its a good thing the setup is open and we know for sure scum has absolutely no way of countering such a role.

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what if scum has an extra kill?
and tonight they drop two people?

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doesnt seem very likely.

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i dont think i understand the question?

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@Mod: replace me. I wanna play mafia, not charades

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shos you asked me a question.
i asked you one back.

gonna follow up or what yo.

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p
dodge.

will make time for this game tomorrow.

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vla until saturday

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i kind of feel like dropping what shos claimed in the PT here.

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its a secret sorry.

you'll have to sign a contract first.

p-edit: i mean, i feel like theres a part of me that wants to discuss what he claimed because of the implications it has.

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and i also really dont want people to carry him forward based on me having a poor perception of what his claim would mean.

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well we have five days.
i'll let him come and give thoughts on it before I do anything.

ive been getting increasingly wary of how much of a non-presence hes been and it makes me feel like he might be cozy with the table as it stands.

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i also think podo is more town than shos.

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idk.
theres a claimed inno on you so i dont really think i need to worry about it.

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yeah this games pretty boring.
not being able to directly lynch people is pretty demotivating.

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like 8 people have wanted kuroi dead for half a month, but we cant do anything about it yet.

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because jaqen.

also, the mechanic might be fine for like.. a marathon where people have to pay attention.
but as it stands, kuroi has been able to take advantage of snarky being a lurker to live through d2 and probably d3 now.

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he partnered with someone hes apparently scumreading just so he can survive.

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also we'll know tomorrow.
jaqen claims theres a guilty in dgb/moi, we partner them today, they hopefully get lynched tomorrow.

its possible hes still fakeclaiming for towncred, but i dont see any reason to get worked up about that until after d3 at least.

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i kind of think his snarkiness is town? at least thats what gave me that town feel.
probably shouldn't townread him off that, especially given the mechanic i guess.

referring to kuroi.

at which point i said he partnered with someone he thought was scum.

which is something ive been saying and lots of other people have been saying about kuroi all day today.

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it doesnt really matter because hes already said no once.

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This game has my priority for now, because it seems to be coming to head.

ur probs dead.
D:

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unless you and pine dont line up.
it doesnt matter.
you cant say no.

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just have to hope that pine was demotivated scum i guess.

would make me feel marginally better about shos if that was the case.

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theres a part of me that almost thinks we should just try to get dgb lynched.
but i mean.

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like, at the end of the day, i dont really think moi would intentionally back himself into a corner as scum where he would have to be lynched here.

i know im basically asking to be wrong here because ive witnessed moi demolish a town before like a literal godzilla but i feel pretty good about him being town.

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oh duh im dumb.

q.q

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yeah i didnt know that saying no would prevent us from then making a choice ourselves.

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ty pine

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[not sarcastic, appreciating that you followed through on pairing stuff]

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omg time to partner up!!!!!!

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it doesnt really matter as long as moi/dgb die and we hopefully partner up snarky and kuroi!!!!

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you might want to let rach initiate but sure.

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yuh

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woof.

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jaqen gimme somethin

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it just occurred to me how appropriate it is that someone essentially named "jackin'" is in this game.

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ilu

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lol.

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im guessing too good to be true tbh.
not much to be done but kill moi/dgb and hope that jaqen is town and that this setup is ridiculous.

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still semi-confident that dgb is flipping scum so i guess theres that?

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actually. call me fucking crazy. but what if we cuck jaqen?

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and if jaqen is town, then he links together snarky and kuroi?

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we're in a position where either jaqen is lying and is setting his team up to win tomorrow or jaqen is telling the truth and we basically win no matter what. i think cucking jaqen is probably the safest option at this point short of there being like.. four scum or something ridiculous like that.

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on a functional level, linking together two scum is pretty much the same as lynching scum too.

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unless his results were tampered with.

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i just a) feel like this is too easy. b) feel like kuroi/snarky linking together and shrugging while doing so just feels wrong if theyre scum here. kuroi plays to endgame win con as scum even when hes been hammered. i dont see him agreeing to essentially lose the game.

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unless his results were tampered with.

this is my biggest concern atm.
though really, jaqen not being as vocally worried about this possibility makes me feel worse about him.

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u callin me scum bish u wanna take this outside?

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technically in terms of slots, there isnt any real benefit to lynching scum partnered with town vs scum not partnered with town.

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actually i guess in terms of scum endgame wincon it might matter?
eh.
im still waiting for tptg to get back to me on whether the scum wincon is public cause i didnt see it in op.

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If we book Kuroi/Snark, then we have 7 players

thats assuming that the book results are going to go the way we want to if theres scum in moi/dgb.

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also podo is really really likely town.

the willingness to give himself up last cycle did not read like scum at all.

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only question is whether results are tampered with.
we should probably be trying to play less on trying to solve the game via mechanics alone at this point because of how closed the setup is.

how are people acting/behaving?

who do we think is scum beyond just jaqen's results?

it feels way too simple for it to just be snarky/kuroi/one of moi/dgb.

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im okay with waiting.
there are some people that i'd like to have chime in anyway.

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However I feel like drifting from the plan we made for a whole day is scum attempting to change a plan that was pro-town.

fresh i want you to talk more about this btw.
and i want you to be direct about who you thought was pushing this/where you thought this was happening specifically.

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also podo is really really likely town.

the willingness to give himself up last cycle did not read like scum at all.

You're inconsistent. I've done nothing in this game but give myself up to hang MoIscum along with me. But you think I'm scum.

a) moi is bleeding town all over this game
b) youre playing with a lackluster i associate with your scumgame and your analysis of things is wooden and forced
c) podo is actively analyzing things even when he was under the threat of getting cucked yesterday. his fatalism read so so so much more like town doing what he though was best for town. your weird tunnel on moi being scum feels more like defeatist scum. no inconsistency there at all.

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There's very little chance Jaqen's stuff was fucked with IF there is even that ability in the game before today's phase. Not impossible but highly improbable.

but why????
like.
okay.
assume jaqen is town.
and his role is town.

how does scum deal with that ability?
because it essentially cleans out the playerlist by two people a day.
with no direct nightkill for scum to get rid of it.

why is it unlikely that scum would have something to compensate for that?

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like, heres my beef.

unless scumteam is dgb/kuroi/snarky and they just dont give a shit.
until i made waves just now, literally every single person in the game was hunky dory with going with the flow.

does that not bother you?

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pairing up when the intent was for them to be copped would basically mean they autolose.

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ah yeah that makes sense.
testing whether he was telling the truth on the first time through is probably safe from tampering.