(NSFW) Mini 1882 - TPTG Mafia 1.5: The Fappening (NoWins)

[RachMarie]

that works for me

wow

have we actually solved the game

[Gorkington]

actually. call me fucking crazy. but what if we cuck jaqen?

[Gorkington]

and if jaqen is town, then he links together snarky and kuroi?

[Gorkington]

we're in a position where either jaqen is lying and is setting his team up to win tomorrow or jaqen is telling the truth and we basically win no matter what. i think cucking jaqen is probably the safest option at this point short of there being like.. four scum or something ridiculous like that.

[Gorkington]

on a functional level, linking together two scum is pretty much the same as lynching scum too.

[Gorkington]

unless his results were tampered with.

[Gorkington]

i just a) feel like this is too easy. b) feel like kuroi/snarky linking together and shrugging while doing so just feels wrong if theyre scum here. kuroi plays to endgame win con as scum even when hes been hammered. i dont see him agreeing to essentially lose the game.

[Jaqen Hghar]

we're in a position where either jaqen is lying and is setting his team up to win tomorrow or jaqen is telling the truth and we basically win no matter what. i think cucking jaqen is probably the safest option at this point short of there being like.. four scum or something ridiculous like that.

If a man were lying he could just link up with a teammate and accomplish the same thing, just saying. A man is doing his part either way so just let him know what's decided.

[podoboq]

Gorkington, I love you. As long as Fresh will join us on this, and we can appropriately finagle couples, this seems to be the best way. We need Magna or DGB to be able to fuck Fresh, or vice versa.

I agree that it seems unlikely for scum to pair knowing that a town daycop is going to check them, so I doubt the game is solved, and at this point I'm thinking Jaqen is scum, but if I'm wrong, then we just win in two days.

[Gorkington]

unless his results were tampered with.

this is my biggest concern atm.
though really, jaqen not being as vocally worried about this possibility makes me feel worse about him.

[Fresh]

I need a little time to think about this. Basically its possible results are fucked with since the role became public knowledge before the day started. However I feel like drifting from the plan we made for a whole day is scum attempting to change a plan that was pro-town.

So yea. I need some time to think.

[Gorkington]

u callin me scum bish u wanna take this outside?

[Jaqen Hghar]

unless his results were tampered with.

this is my biggest concern atm.
though really, jaqen not being as vocally worried about this possibility makes me feel worse about him.

You want a man to be fully vested in this play? The one his hands are tied in making? A man is already voicing his concerns before the strings are pulled. A man's hands are clean in this. If his results are tampered the fault of that lies in others.

[KuroiXHF]

A man is seeing 2 scum in Snark/Kuroi!

Is this bitch serious?

[DrippingGoofball]

still semi-confident that dgb is flipping scum so i guess theres that?

MoI will flip scum not me but from either perspective, killing us nets a scum.

It should be done top priority.

[DrippingGoofball]

A man is seeing 2 scum in Snark/Kuroi!

Alright, so whether or not Jaqen is telling the truth, we now have another worthwhile play. We can kill Kuroi today. Have Snarky split, and we cuck Kuroi. If Kuroi flips town, we get the same result, but we get to KEEP MoI and DGB.

The downside to this is that if we assume Jaqen is telling the truth, and we kill DGB/MoI, it's possible that they book Kuroi/Snarky, and we get to kill them together, but if there is one scum in DGB/MoI, we might not be able to control the book in the case of their deaths regardless.

At the very least, I want opinions on this from Snarky, MoI, DGB, Jaqen. We have over a week.

If shos, Magna, DGB, Snarky, or I take any actions before significant discussion on this topic, and town reaching a decision on the matter, they are scum claiming.

I've been very vocal about wanting my pairing DEAD.

[KuroiXHF]

Mod: V/LA until Monday.

But yeah, I still think Goofball is scum.

[shos]

Sounds good on my end. Allthat remains is to assume that jaqen js town, though. Jf he isnt we might be really fucked.

[podoboq]

A man is seeing 2 scum in Snark/Kuroi!

Alright, so whether or not Jaqen is telling the truth, we now have another worthwhile play. We can kill Kuroi today. Have Snarky split, and we cuck Kuroi. If Kuroi flips town, we get the same result, but we get to KEEP MoI and DGB.

The downside to this is that if we assume Jaqen is telling the truth, and we kill DGB/MoI, it's possible that they book Kuroi/Snarky, and we get to kill them together, but if there is one scum in DGB/MoI, we might not be able to control the book in the case of their deaths regardless.

At the very least, I want opinions on this from Snarky, MoI, DGB, Jaqen. We have over a week.

If shos, Magna, DGB, Snarky, or I take any actions before significant discussion on this topic, and town reaching a decision on the matter, they are scum claiming.

I've been very vocal about wanting my pairing DEAD.

OK, cool, but let's look at logic. If we believe Jaqen is town telling the truth, killing you flips one scum and one town. If we kill Kuroi or Snarky, we net one scum, and lose no town.

In the case that Jaqen is lying, killing you likely flips two town. Killing Kuroi or Snarky may still kill scum in the case that Jaqen is lying.

We kill just as many scum if we DON'T lynch your pair, and potentially more.

[Gorkington]

technically in terms of slots, there isnt any real benefit to lynching scum partnered with town vs scum not partnered with town.

[Gorkington]

actually i guess in terms of scum endgame wincon it might matter?
eh.
im still waiting for tptg to get back to me on whether the scum wincon is public cause i didnt see it in op.

[Fresh]

In the event that Jaqen's result WAS fucked with, it likely wasn't fucked with before today. I still think the ultimate test of first result is to cuck MoI/DGB.

RachFire/Gork
Kuroi/Snarky
Fresh/Jaqen
Shos/Podo

If we book Kuroi/Snark, then we have 7 players

RachFire
KuroSnar
Gork
Fresh
Jaqen
Shos
Podo

We pair like this:

RachFire/Gork
KuroiSnar/Jaqen
Shos/Podo

You kill me and I book Jaqen to KuroSnar

That would make:

RachFire
Gork
KuroSnarJaqen
Shos
Podo.

Pair as: Rachfire/Gork and Shos/Podo

Then you strand KuroSnarJaqen, if the game isn't over yet and there's scum in that trio, If they book shos/podo you strand them. If they book RachFire to Gork then its a crap shoot between shos and podo as final scum.

Thoughts?

[Gorkington]

If we book Kuroi/Snark, then we have 7 players

thats assuming that the book results are going to go the way we want to if theres scum in moi/dgb.

[Gorkington]

also podo is really really likely town.

the willingness to give himself up last cycle did not read like scum at all.

[podoboq]

With a result of two scum in Kuroi/Snark, I think it's important to consider the book. If we can permanently link those two, then that's a good deal.

If we kill Jaqen, and he's town, then he books Kuroi/Snark. If we kill Jaqen and he's scum, lying, then we don't need to book Kuroi and Snark anyway.