(NSFW) Mini 1882 - TPTG Mafia 1.5: The Fappening (NoWins)

[SnarkySnowman]

@MoI: Another game which was finishing up was happening, pretty much all the time I spent on this site went to that. I got to decide a 3-player Lylo!

Admittedly I'm not exactly up to speed on this thread and wasn't really reading the last few days.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI: Another game which was finishing up was happening, pretty much all the time I spent on this site went to that. I got to decide a 3-player Lylo!

That's a piss poor reason. You had over 24 hours to read up on like 2 pages here.

If you aren't scum welcome to my permanent WOTC and Mod Blacklist.

[SnarkySnowman]

I guess I'll get nice and cozy on those lists then <_< There are probably at least some cool people there, with cool miltank pics

Not like I spend a ton of time here, I have a fairly busy life.

[podoboq]

I mean realistically as Town you should be judging whether you think the odds of Dram or All-In is more likely to be scum. Frankly I’m having trouble with the whole notion that you as Town think the best course of action is to reject Dram and have Rach / All-in choose Dram. That means you think there is a zero percent chance that there is any scum in Dram / Rach / AllIn and you think getting rid of yourself (the only player whose alignment you know for certain) is the best course of action. That makes me go "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm ..."

I'm basically certain that dram is town, and he's not only better at this game than I am, but I think he's better at town telling. If he is town, he has more value to this game than I do, and he's almost certainly town. Now that I know that mafia cannot lynch, I can be a little more transparent about that belief.

When it comes to All-in & Rach, I think Rach is more likely scum there going only by play, but mechanically, I find it implausible that scum would have 0 turn-offs. Like, I get that it's a possibility, but it seems unlikely. Rach & All-in are arguable more important than me because townRach can auto-pair with people. That has to be worth something.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm basically certain that dram is town, and he's not only better at this game than I am, but I think he's better at town telling. If he is town, he has more value to this game than I do, and he's almost certainly town. Now that I know that mafia cannot lynch, I can be a little more transparent about that belief.

When it comes to All-in & Rach, I think Rach is more likely scum there going only by play, but mechanically, I find it implausible that scum would have 0 turn-offs. Like, I get that it's a possibility, but it seems unlikely. Rach & All-in are arguable more important than me because townRach can auto-pair with people. That has to be worth something.

@Gork

- Please do not reject the offer from Shos ...

[Gorkington]

can confirm that theres a reason shos is worth keeping around. im honestly kind of feeling all in is the most likely out of the remaining pile to flip scum. its also possible that all of the scum have matched up though.
really dont know if thats worth a double-lynch though.

[Gorkington]

especially since rach is probably mechanically town? unless the rule was introduced partially because otherwise rach's role in scum's hands meant that the setup was literally broken?
[would still be kind of broken even so though]

[podoboq]

Who are your scum reads besides Kuroi? That’s what it comes down to.

The only player who I feel confident calling scum is Kuroi. After that, my reads mostly align with yours, but I'd give higher preference to "lynching" players who are difficult to work with, especially considering the mechanics of this game require town to be incredibly cohesive. My "lynch" order is as follows.

Kuroi > Snarky > Jaqen.

I think there's one scum between Gork and shos. If I'm wrong there, I'd look at DGB, then Rach&All-in, then Fresh.

You and dramonic are heavy enough townreads at this point that you're out of my PoE.

[podoboq]

Now that I know that mafia cannot

nightkill

P-Edit

Mafia essentially can't nightkill without making the number of playerslots even. Since they don't have uncontested control over removing players from the game, I think we can be more explicit about who has value to the town and who doesn't.

[Gorkington]

gahhh
im getting scared that im trusting too much that the mods wouldnt make rach's prefs scum.
:/

[KuroiXHF]

OK, so guys - what can I do to make you not scum read me so much? I'll do that.

@MoI: Another game which was finishing up was happening, pretty much all the time I spent on this site went to that. I got to decide a 3-player Lylo!

Admittedly I'm not exactly up to speed on this thread and wasn't really reading the last few days.

I kind of feel this is against the rules. I'm expecting this to possibly end Snarky's play here.

[MagnaofIllusion]

gahhh
im getting scared that im trusting too much that the mods wouldnt make rach's prefs scum.

If Rach indeed has no Kinks then her as scum means that she can always link up with a partner to prevent them from being Cucked. Is it out of the question that it could be a scum role? No. You can make an argument the way she handled it seems Pro-Scum (looking to strand as many Town players without warning). If she were in a position where she was scum read then she could only assure her survival by repeatedly linking with partners.

[KuroiXHF]

@Mod: I'm going to be V/LA this weekend. In fact, probably after 3 PM. I don't foresee myself having any ability to post.

[Gorkington]

I kind of feel this is against the rules. I'm expecting this to possibly end Snarky's play here.

the post implies that the game is over. and you can be town when you start playing the game beyond nitpicking nonsense at people's posts that isnt NAI.

[Gorkington]

@moi, does scum do that when they know that itll make them look awful as fuck though?

[Gorkington]

i guess technically it doesnt even really matter because technically she could have just targeted anyone and gotten linked on d1 even if she was scumread. it just seems like complete mod oversight to put in a role like that for scum and not realize that it basically gave them the win without the update to the ruleset.

[Gorkington]

also dgb is out of my townpile now. thats fun.

[KuroiXHF]

I kind of feel this is against the rules. I'm expecting this to possibly end Snarky's play here.

the post implies that the game is over. and you can be town when you start playing the game beyond nitpicking nonsense at people's posts that isnt NAI.

Can you help me come up with a nice post to say? I'm having trouble at the moment.

[Gorkington]

you know you could just do nothing if youre scum. it effectively results in the same thing. either you match a lurker who isnt around to stop you or you dont and you die. people's opinion of you doesnt change that.

[KuroiXHF]

you know you could just do nothing if youre scum. it effectively results in the same thing. either you match a lurker who isnt around to stop you or you dont and you die. people's opinion of you doesnt change that.

Well I mean, if I'm scummy, it means I'm not a good townie or not a good scum. Either way, I want to be better.

[Gorkington]

the sum of your recent contributions to the game involve literally 0 reads. at most youre pushing bad angles on people and then doing nothing with them. saying "oh dram y r u not defending urself" against nothing, which is already pretty overly pointlessly nitpicky [ie what is even scummy about dram there], but then ALSO not even following it up with "dram is scum" or applying any kind of pressure there. youre just floating about the game doing nothing but complaining about moi and the ruleset.

theres also the incredibly lame partnering with snarky. you came into the cycle basically saying "snarky was kinda IFFY last night guys" and then nothing changes except snarky lurking more so you partner them again right away without any discussion?

[KuroiXHF]

Well I do have reads. For example, I don't think Snarky is town. I don't think MoI is town. I think Podoq is town.

Would a readslist help?

[Gorkington]

you dont think snarky is town but you linked them instantly.

[KuroiXHF]

you dont think snarky is town but you linked them instantly.

Because I want to win, and I got to survive for that.

[Gorkington]

lol. you realize that with things going as they are now, youre going to have to die in order for town to win if snarky is scum, right?