Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)

Toto · Post Post #1725 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:30 am

Well, we are probs still going to lynch you today tbh. Just want to make sure these guys think things through while we are both dead.

Hawk · Post Post #1726 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:40 am

In post 1700, Creature wrote:
Votecount 4.5
Votecount 4.5

[0] hapahauli
[0] Hiraki
[3] Riley Cake - Sesq, Elena Fisher, Hawk
[L-2]

[0] Toto
[1] Sesq - Music Box
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[2] Hawk - Hiraki, Riley Cake

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: Toto, hapahauli

8 players are alive, therefore 5 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-03-07 19:15:00)

In post 1723, Toto wrote:
In post 1720, Hawk wrote:2. If Sesq is town I don't see why MB taking such Parallel reads as Magna. He could have sheeped onto Nebula.

3. Hikari for similar vein.
Hmph.

Wouldn't scum want to take different sides to fuel more fire in TvT, and also distance themselves?

Yes but Nebula went all the way l-2 before music voted Sesq...

Okay Toto I'll concede that's not a bad point let me go reread between those vote counts. I still don't see them being scum. Also if Sesq flips scum it basically town confirms Hikari and MB right? Why would they forgo Nebula to sit on a buss wagon?

Toto · Post Post #1727 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:03 am

Hapa, how confident are you that Hiraki vs Magna was not theater?

Sesq · Post Post #1728 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:27 am

It felt like Magna didn't go as hard on Hiraki as he did on nebula, despite the latter possibly being even more egregious, and we know nebula is town...

Hiraki · Post Post #1729 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:20 am

Hapa, it's time to vote. I'm not voting Riley.

Toto · Post Post #1730 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:24 am

In post 1729, Hiraki wrote:Hapa, it's time to vote. I'm not voting Riley.

Why is it time to vote?

Hawk · Post Post #1731 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:34 am

In post 1730, Toto wrote:
In post 1729, Hiraki wrote:Hapa, it's time to vote. I'm not voting Riley.
Why is it time to vote?

Yeah wtf is this we have 8 Days left

Hiraki · Post Post #1732 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:35 am

And after a week, what's happened?

Toto · Post Post #1733 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:46 am

Well, for one, Hawk has posted a lot more now. How does that new content impact your read on him?

Sesq · Post Post #1734 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:29 am

Also, why are you excluding Riley?

Elena Fisher · Post Post #1735 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:39 am

In post 1720, Hawk wrote:
Elena do you think lynching Riley is best today?

100%

Hawk · Post Post #1736 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:53 am

In post 1735, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 1720, Hawk wrote:
Elena do you think lynching Riley is best today?

100%

Any chance it's Riley Hikari and not Riley Sesq or Riley MB?

I mean my top team is Riley Sesq...

@Hikari are you town reading Riley? can you give me reasons as to why?

Elena Fisher · Post Post #1737 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:54 am

Hiraki has been acting strange but I just think he's wrong not scum

Hawk · Post Post #1738 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:57 am

In post 1737, Elena Fisher wrote:Hiraki has been acting strange but I just think he's wrong not scum

Cool that's what I'm thinking too.

@Hikari follow up question if we're not voting Riley and you think Sesq is scum, excluding me since I am town who is Sesq's partner from the remaining. (eg. if me and Riley are green who's red with sesq)

Sesq · Post Post #1739 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:14 am

In post 1737, Elena Fisher wrote:Hiraki has been acting strange but I just think he's wrong not scum

I got that impression to, but his total dodging of Riley, instead of dismissal, is something I find to be really scummy.

Sesq · Post Post #1740 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:15 am

In post 1738, Hawk wrote:
In post 1737, Elena Fisher wrote:Hiraki has been acting strange but I just think he's wrong not scum
Cool that's what I'm thinking too.

@Hikari follow up question if we're not voting Riley and you think Sesq is scum, excluding me since I am town who is Sesq's partner from the remaining. (eg. if me and Riley are green who's red with sesq)

Well... what if he thinks it's you? Even if you are really actually 100% town, which I am not sold on, you're still asking for his opinion who a certain person is, that certain person potentially being you.

Hawk · Post Post #1741 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:44 am

In post 1740, Sesq wrote:
In post 1738, Hawk wrote:
In post 1737, Elena Fisher wrote:Hiraki has been acting strange but I just think he's wrong not scum
Cool that's what I'm thinking too.

@Hikari follow up question if we're not voting Riley and you think Sesq is scum, excluding me since I am town who is Sesq's partner from the remaining. (eg. if me and Riley are green who's red with sesq)
Well... what if he thinks it's you? Even if you are really actually 100% town, which I am not sold on, you're still asking for his opinion who a certain person is, that certain person potentially being you.

Sesq I know he thinks it's me. He said so earlier that he SR reads me. I'm asking him to look past that and give me a read outside of me that could be scum since I know I'm town so I'm asking him to give me some benefit of the doubt here.

Hiraki · Post Post #1742 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:56 am

In post 1738, Hawk wrote:@Hikari follow up question if we're not voting Riley and you think Sesq is scum, excluding me since I am town who is Sesq's partner from the remaining. (eg. if me and Riley are green who's red with sesq)

This question is worthless.

In post 1736, Hawk wrote:@Hikari are you town reading Riley? can you give me reasons as to why?

As stated many times in this game, I will not build a town case. There is nothing bad about Riley's play if you take the time to read it. Not the most active player but not a bad one.

Here's a better question - since you wanted to be honest:

In post 1720, Hawk wrote:Hikari if it helps I would have 100% said town with or without Sesq's input I feel like rereading or upon evaluation it's easier for me as town to get disorganized and actually post things like that. As Scum I would be a bit more meticulous so it's less likely my reads should be disorganized as such.

If this is your answer and Riley has called out Sesq-scum for the entire game and then is now calling Sesq town based off of a gut read, can you give me any reasonably good scum rationale for pulling off such a move?

Hiraki · Post Post #1743 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:57 am

In post 1733, Toto wrote:Well, for one, Hawk has posted a lot more now. How does that new content impact your read on him?

Doesn't change.

In post 1734, Sesq wrote:Also, why are you excluding Riley?

More worthless.

Hawk · Post Post #1744 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:16 pm

In post 1742, Hiraki wrote:
In post 1738, Hawk wrote:@Hikari follow up question if we're not voting Riley and you think Sesq is scum, excluding me since I am town who is Sesq's partner from the remaining. (eg. if me and Riley are green who's red with sesq)
This question is worthless.

In post 1736, Hawk wrote:@Hikari are you town reading Riley? can you give me reasons as to why?
As stated many times in this game, I will not build a town case. There is nothing bad about Riley's play if you take the time to read it. Not the most active player but not a bad one.

Here's a better question - since you wanted to be honest:

In post 1720, Hawk wrote:Hikari if it helps I would have 100% said town with or without Sesq's input I feel like rereading or upon evaluation it's easier for me as town to get disorganized and actually post things like that. As Scum I would be a bit more meticulous so it's less likely my reads should be disorganized as such.
If this is your answer and Riley has called out Sesq-scum for the entire game and then is now calling Sesq town based off of a gut read, can you give me any reasonably good scum rationale for pulling off such a move?

I didn't say Riley has scumread Sesq all game, just early game. So your question is already poor. She spent most of the game posturing around Sesq anyway.

Sure there are lots of scummy reasons to call Sesq town now. Buy credit if it is a ML. Conflicted reads looks more town to some people. WK a scum buddy going down. There are lots of reasons SCUM Riley Town reads Sesq here. Flipping either of them will give a better idea as to what's going on.

Her play is sub standard with very gut based intuition with lack of actual scum hunting and posturing. She is scum in my book if you don't want to defend her fine, but I'm not going to listen to you saying you're not voting her as if it matters if you won't build a towncase.

Toto · Post Post #1745 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:22 pm

In post 1385, Riley Cake wrote:Sesq: I think that their tone is super duper like frustrated town!!! so I'm moving them to townlean for now!!!!

In post 1742, Hiraki wrote:If this is your answer and Riley has called out Sesq-scum for the entire game and then is now calling Sesq town based off of a gut read, can you give me any reasonably good scum rationale for pulling off such a move?

If you look at the post above, she changed her mind on D2, before voting Neb. So she is just being consistent with her D2 read. It would be more suspicious to change again now. Plus keeping town!Sesq alive for Lylo is not bad for mafia.

I understand this behavior is not necessarily mafia aligned, but are you saying it is town aligned?

Hiraki · Post Post #1746 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:23 pm

I'm saying that mafia is a little bit more articulate than to start changing reads like they're nothing on Day 4.

Toto · Post Post #1747 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:31 pm

She changed her read on D2, not D4, though.

Hiraki · Post Post #1748 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:39 pm

so the case on riley is that she knows Sesq is town and therefore changed her read on D2 in order to combat this very argument on D4?

You got my initial confusion of the case out of the way but it really doesn't change much.

Toto · Post Post #1749 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:46 pm

In post 1748, Hiraki wrote:so the case on riley is that she knows Sesq is town and therefore changed her read on D2 in order to combat this very argument on D4?

Huh?

It was you who brought up the argument as part of your town read. I'm just pointing out why your argument is wrong. It has more to do with you than Riley herself. Like I said, her read and read not-change is NAI. It is You who is trying to portray that falsehood as a town read criteria.

So, is there anything else to your Riley town read?