Mini 1886: Accounting Mafia [Normal] [GAME OVER]

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 1.08

Pine [L-2] Hitogoroshi, Accountant, KuroiXHF, Cabd, Bork Bork
Accountant [L-5] Not_Mafia, Shannon
Not_Mafia [L-6] Pine
Infinity 324 [L-6] Titus
Titus [L-6] Infinity 324
Antihero [L-6] All Alone
KuroiXHF [L-6] Antihero

Not Voting (1) : TheRealGin-N-Tonic,

Mod Notes: Get back to buisness work.
Gin is V/LA for near future.

With 13 alive, It takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends (expired on 2017-03-08 00:00:00)

CFO (Flavor)

There seems to be some mysterious deposits being dropped into our bank accounts at different branches that we are unsure of the source. We will have to investigate more but this could be a smoking gun..

[shannon]

I hope you're just trying to be cute, Shannon.

With the dog thing? Don't you find that avatar adorable?

I joined this game because Firebringer has a Pokemon avatar, so 'cute' is a thing I like I guess.

[Firebringer]

Camn replaces All Alone. Please welcome her.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Camn replaces All Alone. Please welcome her.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm conflicted as I like the Pine wagon atm but I don't like Accountant and Kuroi on it

[camn]

Hello, my pretties!
I can't get into this game till tomorrow- but rest assured. I will save you from whatever it is you have gotten yourselves into.

UNVOTE

Hey Gin!
Should I read, or can you recap for me?

[Infinity 324]

Hi camn

Gin, I think at least one of pines buddies is bussing him if he's scum. Otherwise...that VC would not be the way it is. (i.e. there'd be a cw)

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

you should read as it's not the bad actually. There's a not a lot of shitposting.

As unbiased as possible, we were voting for the setup, started out as Accounts Payable set up and then swung to Cash set up after Hito and Cabd drove it hard.

Then a Pine wagon formed. It's been here ever since the game started.

There have been a couple pokes and tickles around different players but a lot of it has been on Pine.

Also, this part is biased, but I think Hito is being a dumb and scum reading me. I came to the conclusion that because I have a strong gut read on Pine being scum but dicking around and not voting, it looks like I'm Pine's partner pushing him but not trying to actually ded him.

For that I couldn't care less because Hito said I wasn't allowed to push N_M based on pre-flip associative even tho he scum reads me on pre-flip associatives. It's cool tho >_>

[Accountant]

Hey, shannon, are you going to actually respond to my rebuttal of your case against me? Or are you just going to ignore me and pretend that's going to make people believe you? If you're really town and are trying to get a scumread lynched, you should be doing stuff that convinces other people you're right, correct?

[Accountant]

I think it's scummy to assume so many things are going to happen that way, and to line up lynches.

Re: Pine, I wouldn't say 'never' but I would say 'usually not on scum', hence 'probably' town.

1) How am I "lining up lynches" against anyone?

2) Why is it that I would assume things would happen as scum, but not as town?

3) Why is that post "assuming" stuff when it was clearly a hypothetical discussion in the first place?

[Accountant]

Anti: What is your thoughts on shannon?

[Infinity 324]

For that I couldn't care less because Hito said I wasn't allowed to push N_M based on pre-flip associative even tho he scum reads me on pre-flip associatives. It's cool tho >_>

Well tbf, hito's vote is on his top scumread.

[camn]

Huh.

Well I will read tomorrow- but sight-unseen I would like to see the following players

UNLYNCHED

Day1:

Gin
Pine
Hito
Kuroi
Titus
Antihero.

More tomorrow!
And for those of you that don't know- I am on Asia time. GMT +10.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

unlynched?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I want this answered before I vote.

Spoiler:

Gin, ok but there's some WIFOM involved there with such an obvious tell

Why would town Pine have motive to do a personal scumtell of his then use WIFOM to justify it?

Maybe he legitimately found a towntell this time. Scum!pine might be more careful than to do it 3 times in a row...maybe not though.

Counter example: Doubling down and claiming the same fakeclaim each time is something I've done as scum. (IIRC fakecclaimed hider three or four times in a row)

I went back and actually found an inconsistency in it. Pine told me the town tell was how I reacted to him telling me he found a town tell.

However that wasn't the case in Large 200 because he never expanded on that, and in marathon game, he read me as town, then in LyLo said he caught a town tell earlier.

So I don't get how this personal town tell hunt by him is what he says it is if he never used it as described in the past.

[Accountant]

Huh.

Well I will read tomorrow- but sight-unseen I would like to see the following players

UNLYNCHED

Day1:

Gin
Pine
Hito
Kuroi
Titus
Antihero.

More tomorrow!
And for those of you that don't know- I am on Asia time. GMT +10.

Why Pine and Kuroi?

[Infinity 324]

Anti help me out here I'm not really seeing it. Why does scum kuroi make up some nonsense about something "implied" that's not there, when he's no even using it to push you? If he was stretching as part of a case it might make sense, but...

he doesn't need to paint me as scummy enough to get me lynched

he just needs to paint me as scummy enough to discredit my reads

I'd expect him to try and find something stronger, since he only really needed 1 reason...

Meh

VOTE: accountant

This game needs something shaken up. I still think accountant's attempts to sort/solve are "meh" for the amount of effort he's putting in.

[Accountant]

You keep lobbing that accusation and me and all I can do is shrug my shoulders because:

1) It's impossible to respond to
2) I'm not sure why you singled me out specifically, because I think most other players' sorting attempts are also pretty meh

So I find that vote kind of pointless.

[Accountant]

Like, I think it's essentially a vanity wagon - or at least a vanity reasoning for a wagon that has other people on it for unrelated reasons - because your definition of "meh" is very fuzzy and hard to pin down and so I'm having a difficult time understanding exactly what makes my play "meh" and why that's scummy. It would be nice if you could give me that reasoning.

[Börk Börk]

I highly doubt that an N_M wagon will get any traction today.

Why?

Multiple people have stated that they think N_M is just lazy/trolling and hence likely won't vote for him. Literally nobody else in this game has a full case for him being scum.

[Börk Börk]

btw Accountant is town af. They're picking apart logic, which fits with the statement they made about their playstyle earlier. And it's proving really functional and helpful. The questions they're asking are actively providing discussion, as well as making people question/reinforce their reads. One of the towniest things one could do imo

[Börk Börk]

Conversely, I'm not townreading Shannon any more. Her posts have really started rubbing me up the wrong way. Can't quite put my finger on how exactly, but they definitely are.

[Infinity 324]

You keep lobbing that accusation and me and all I can do is shrug my shoulders because:

1) It's impossible to respond to
2) I'm not sure why you singled me out specifically, because I think most other players' sorting attempts are also pretty meh

So I find that vote kind of pointless.

I don't think other's attempts to sort are "meh" for how much they've been present. Anti and hito have been pushing on things they find scummy, gin has been finding things to develop reads off of (which I count as attempts to sort), etc. (Not that that's why they're town, but still.) You question stuff, but it's twice now you pushed for a while on small logical things (which I find scum more likely to do) and the answers you get in general don't seem to influence your reads too much, and you end up having reads that are generally similar to everyone else's. I guess if you failed to get things from your questions you could resort to the common wisdom of the thread, but it doesn't feel that way to me and I can't really explain why. Maybe it's that I feel like you would act less confident if that was the case? Of course I can see a town perspective for all of this, so that's why the read isn't super confident, but your play still bothers me.

Impossible to respond to is...fair, I guess.

[Infinity 324]

btw Accountant is town af. They're picking apart logic, which fits with the statement they made about their playstyle earlier. And it's proving really functional and helpful. The questions they're asking are actively providing discussion, as well as making people question/reinforce their reads. One of the towniest things one could do imo

See, I don't really see this. Can you give an example of a really productive question accountant asked and the effects it had?

[KuroiXHF]

I hope you're just trying to be cute, Shannon.

With the dog thing? Don't you find that avatar adorable?

I joined this game because Firebringer has a Pokemon avatar, so 'cute' is a thing I like I guess.

Well yeah. The avatar is cute. But is that really a Pokemon avatar? I personally only pay attention to the real Pokemon. (The first 150).

Camn replaces All Alone. Please welcome her.

Do we have to?

I'm conflicted as I like the Pine wagon atm but I don't like Accountant and Kuroi on it

You really can't read me, can you?

holy shit

we are going blow-by-blow on this one bc this is bullshit

Anti help me out here I'm not really seeing it. Why does scum kuroi make up some nonsense about something "implied" that's not there, when he's no even using it to push you? If he was stretching as part of a case it might make sense, but...

he doesn't need to paint me as scummy enough to get me lynched

he just needs to paint me as scummy enough to discredit my reads

quote the part IN THIS POST that says you're trying to get my lynched

assume nothing

step

by

step

OK, so here's how I read this - I read this as you saying that I'm not trying to get you lynched by trying to active striving to get you lynched, but rather, by me discrediting your arguments and rather, render you useless or make others see your words as scummy.

I can't tell if your words are cryptic or if I can't speak English with you.