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[LicketyQuickety]

KTS what do you mean I'm playing Preflip associations?

Momo feels like scum to me. Objectively. Objectively Music has stated that a reason she is pushing my lynch is because of my tone. Whether she's right or not she also has stated she wants to pressure me to watch other people dance around me because it gives her a better idea of how people are playing while I'm alive. I'm not the one playing with Preflip associations here. M&M is the one setting up a lynch and trying to get those associations going so she can lead tomorrow. It's not a bad idea or strategum it just sucks that I was called out for being tone read.

@M&M you first.

And... you think M&M is TOWN for this? WTF? Why?

Because as Scum it draws too much attention. If she lives a day good for town if she lives two days town questions why she's alive or looks for PR. If she's leading the town and manages to lynch any scum she should be a large threat and get NK'd no questions asked. No scum player in there right mind plays this strat LQ.

From what I understand about the game of Mafia and RCs ability to play Scum very proficiently, I feel if RC makes it past D1 they prolly are really hard to lynch. Also, RC is the typ of player who absolutely THRIVES on that kind of play as Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

im honored u think I'm good by the way but rc is right I'm trash

that doesn't mean i won't push whoever the fuck I want to tho

LOL

[momo]

I have no idea what you mean when you say they want to make the desperation between minority and majority a little less noticeable. Explain.

What I am trying to say is that in D1, scum would be happy to get a town lynch. It buffs up the odds of a scum win. Unless they can somehow manipulate everyone into a certain lynch, they will be happy with what they get.

[LicketyQuickety]

I have no idea what you mean when you say they want to make the desperation between minority and majority a little less noticeable. Explain.

What I am trying to say is that in D1, scum would be happy to get a town lynch. It buffs up the odds of a scum win. Unless they can somehow manipulate everyone into a certain lynch, they will be happy with what they get.

Pro tip: Statistically Scum have a WORSE chance winning if Scum is lynched Day 1.

[momo]

Exactly why they would be happy to lynch anyone who is not one of them.

[LicketyQuickety]

Exactly why they would be happy to lynch anyone who is not one of them.

Humina.

[momo]

Why does no one around here speak plain english.

What does humina mean.

[Hawk]

KTS what do you mean I'm playing Preflip associations?

Momo feels like scum to me. Objectively. Objectively Music has stated that a reason she is pushing my lynch is because of my tone. Whether she's right or not she also has stated she wants to pressure me to watch other people dance around me because it gives her a better idea of how people are playing while I'm alive. I'm not the one playing with Preflip associations here. M&M is the one setting up a lynch and trying to get those associations going so she can lead tomorrow. It's not a bad idea or strategum it just sucks that I was called out for being tone read.

@M&M you first.

And... you think M&M is TOWN for this? WTF? Why?

Because as Scum it draws too much attention. If she lives a day good for town if she lives two days town questions why she's alive or looks for PR. If she's leading the town and manages to lynch any scum she should be a large threat and get NK'd no questions asked. No scum player in there right mind plays this strat LQ.

From what I understand about the game of Mafia and RCs ability to play Scum very proficiently, I feel if RC makes it past D1 they prolly are really hard to lynch. Also, RC is the typ of player who absolutely THRIVES on that kind of play as Scum.

Objectively I don't think that makes RC a better player but simply that when they play scum town is too weak to push back. But I'll note this for later. I still see that type of play as scum almost suicidal. RC is clearly taking a strong leader role d1 if she's actually capable of taking that role as scum and thriving in it more power to RC and I hope to be that good of a scum player one day.

But it's like that saying if you keep telling a lie big enough and repeatedly enough it becomes truth. If you think this behavior is scummy and RC can thrive in it then it becomes truth.

I don't accept that as truth I think that RC is smarter than that and doesn't play exactly the same way as scum it would be to risky. But I haven't played with RC so this is all speculation. I still think this is town RC.

Also RC I'm an idiot I missed you were voting Momo and said you first lol.

VOTE: Momo

[LicketyQuickety]

KTS what do you mean I'm playing Preflip associations?

Momo feels like scum to me. Objectively. Objectively Music has stated that a reason she is pushing my lynch is because of my tone. Whether she's right or not she also has stated she wants to pressure me to watch other people dance around me because it gives her a better idea of how people are playing while I'm alive. I'm not the one playing with Preflip associations here. M&M is the one setting up a lynch and trying to get those associations going so she can lead tomorrow. It's not a bad idea or strategum it just sucks that I was called out for being tone read.

@M&M you first.

And... you think M&M is TOWN for this? WTF? Why?

Because as Scum it draws too much attention. If she lives a day good for town if she lives two days town questions why she's alive or looks for PR. If she's leading the town and manages to lynch any scum she should be a large threat and get NK'd no questions asked. No scum player in there right mind plays this strat LQ.

From what I understand about the game of Mafia and RCs ability to play Scum very proficiently, I feel if RC makes it past D1 they prolly are really hard to lynch. Also, RC is the typ of player who absolutely THRIVES on that kind of play as Scum.

Objectively I don't think that makes RC a better player but simply that when they play scum town is too weak to push back. But I'll note this for later. I still see that type of play as scum almost suicidal. RC is clearly taking a strong leader role d1 if she's actually capable of taking that role as scum and thriving in it more power to RC and I hope to be that good of a scum player one day.

But it's like that saying if you keep telling a lie big enough and repeatedly enough it becomes truth. If you think this behavior is scummy and RC can thrive in it then it becomes truth.

I don't accept that as truth I think that RC is smarter than that and doesn't play exactly the same way as scum it would be to risky. But I haven't played with RC so this is all speculation. I still think this is town RC.

Also RC I'm an idiot I missed you were voting Momo and said you first lol.

VOTE: Momo

What I just do not for the life of me get is why you just lay down and die when RC pushes you. This does not make sense to me at all. I can see Scum doing this, but not when you are telling momo that the day is young, which goes back to my first point of why the hell are you just letting RC put pressure on you knowing that RC could very well change their mind?

I don't like the feel of this. I felt my original case on RC still stands so I am going to:

VOTE: Music and Mail

[LicketyQuickety]

viewtopic.php?p=8915037#p8915037

For reference.

[LicketyQuickety]

And before anyone tells me my case is shit I have a habit of making "bad cases" on actual Scum.

[Realeo]

EspeciallyTheLies replaces Persivul

[Realeo]

Official Vote Count

momo

(3): Kop, Music and Mail, Hawk

Music and Mail

(2): momo, LicketyQuickety

Kop

(1): EspeciallyTheLies

Killthestory

(1): Creature

Creature

(1): Electra and Orestes

Sakura Hana

(1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting

(4): Sakura Hana, Antihero, Charloux, Killthestory

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-03-11 07:45:21)

[Hawk]

What are you talking about laying down and dying? I'm not laying down and dying. Also what do you want me to do bash my head into RC's over and over when I townread them? Like I've asked for objective based reasons and case. I've engaged with other people. I voted creature because I thought his play felt forced, I voted Momo because I honestly think his play had been shit since he shrugged off that newbish vibe early. I engage with you I try and engage with RC but still am scumread. I am by no means laying down and dying. if RC changes her read on me it's gonna because my play has improved. Trying to push back against her when I think her play is town is just gonna fuel a yelling match between two Town players while scummy players get to slither on by.

I mean has Charloux, Percival, E&O, or like the other 3-5 players we haven't seen posted in the last 10 pages anything worth commenting?

pedit: Okay that explains Perci I didn't notice he had replaced.

Still where is everybody else I feel like most of this conversation has been LQ, mm, and momo and me.

[Killthestory]

is this what happens when I leave for five minutes

[LicketyQuickety]

What are you talking about laying down and dying? I'm not laying down and dying. Also what do you want me to do bash my head into RC's over and over when I townread them? Like I've asked for objective based reasons and case. I've engaged with other people. I voted creature because I thought his play felt forced, I voted Momo because I honestly think his play had been shit since he shrugged off that newbish vibe early. I engage with you I try and engage with RC but still am scumread. I am by no means laying down and dying. if RC changes her read on me it's gonna because my play has improved. Trying to push back against her when I think her play is town is just gonna fuel a yelling match between two Town players while scummy players get to slither on by.

I mean has Charloux, Percival, E&O, or like the other 3-5 players we haven't seen posted in the last 10 pages anything worth commenting?

pedit: Okay that explains Perci I didn't notice he had replaced.

Still where is everybody else I feel like most of this conversation has been LQ, mm, and momo and me.

You literally basically implied that you WERE getting lynched and that "It just sucks that RC picked me to tunnel... blah blah reasons for why it makes RC Town"

[momo]

Honestly Hawk. RC was tunneling you but you agreed to join him on tunneling me just to save yourself.

All this tells me is that the only goals you have are your own and are willing to do anything to survive, most of all killing the town.

[Killthestory]

hey rc sorry if I made u mad wanna wagon hawk now

ok cool uh huh

VOTE: hawk

[momo]

Also, saying that tunneling you was the right thing to do. So if a town should target you, you are scum. Scum slip right there.

KTS I will join if you get sufficient votes. But right now I will stick on M and M.

[Music and Mail]

I'll leave it up to RC where we vote but I'd be fully in support of a Hawk wagon right now. I want momo dead but I want Hawk dead more.

-- Mail

[Hawk]

See what I mean LQ? Doesn't matter. *sigh*

@ KTS why am I objectively scummy?

Momo shut up I voted you first idiot. I didn't agree to tunnel you to save my ass. You're the retarded ass scum who couldn't be worth a while to pay attention to who the IC was or not sporadically jump around like an idiot trying to play appeased and get a lynch going and if you think you lynching me and me dying flipping green is gonna save your ass from lynch d2 you're deluted.

[Killthestory]

*sigh*

[Music and Mail]

momo, on the off chance you are actually town here:
This is your first game. You don't have enough experience to determine what is and isn't "obvscum". You can't. This is your first game. Stop.
That might sound patronising but I'm not really sure how else I'm supposed to express how dumb you throwing that word around is when you literally joined the site 5 days ago.

-- Mail

[LicketyQuickety]

I think KTS is Town.

[Killthestory]

Actually momo is doing great hawk