Newbie 1779 | Spring | Endgame

[PenguinPower]

Welcome to Newbie 1779 - Spring

Player List:

DogWatch*
oldwino*
Blawb

rep. Darklyn*

rep. aa-dono*

Icy

rep. JustDanceWorld*

ChrisOrmie

rep. lemonater

rep. pieg

rep. Ulti*

Alisae* (SE)

rep. RadiantCowbells

ThinkBig (SE)

rep. -Grey-

mhsmith0 (SE)
mastina (IC)

* = prod

Spoiler: Living Players

1. ChrisOrmie -
   Mafia Goon
   survives and wins!
   
2. ThinkBig (SE) -
   Mafia Goon
   survives and wins!

Spoiler: Dead Players

1. mhsmith0 (SE) -
   Vanilla Townie
   lynched Day 1
   
2. mastina (IC) -
   Vanilla Townie
   lynched Day 2
   
3. Blawb -
   Town Tracker
   killed Night 2
   
4. Alisae - (SE)
   Vanilla Townie
   lynched Day 3
   
5. DogWatch -
   Vanilla Townie
   endgamed
   
6. oldwino -
   Vanilla Townie
   endgamed
   
7. Icy -
   1-shot Bulletproof
   endgamed

Spoiler: Important Events

1. Day 1 Start
   
2. Day 1 End
   
3. Day 2 Start
   
4. Day 2 End
   
5. Day 3 Start
   
6. Day 3 End

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Links:

1. Game Thread
2. Mod PT
3. Mafia PT
4. Dead Thread

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Rules

Rules shamelessly stolen from various moderators.

Spoiler: General Rules

1. All site rules apply here.
2. You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (real or otherwise) of any kind
3. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it.

If someone contacts you outside the game, report it to me IMMEDIATELY

4. This game will start with a Day phase
5. No ciphers, encryption, extremely small text, or other similar tactics.
6. If you have the ability to edit, refrain from doing so.
7. It's your responsibility to read and understand all of the rules.

Spoiler: Activity

1. Aim for one post every 48 hours at a minimum.
2. After 48 hours of no activity, I will prod the inactive player
3. A prodded player has 24 hours to respond to my prod with a

substantive post in game

, after which time a replacement search will begin. I abhor prodging.
4. A player who has been prodded 3 times will be subject to replacement with no further notice
5. If you plan on being inactive for more than 48 hours, PM the Mod to notify you plan on being V/LA.
6. If you plan to have regularly scheduled V/LA period (e.g. the weekend) please PM the mod to notify

Spoiler: Deadlines

1. Days will last 14 days
2. Nights will last 48 hours
3. Extensions may be given out in extreme circumstances, and is up to the discretion of the Mod
4. If you have a role with a Night action, your action is due to the Mod by the posted deadline. If no action is received by the posted deadline, you may forfeit your action(s). Players with a Night action may submit a "No Action" PM to indicate to the Mod you do not wish to perform your action.

Spoiler: Player Rules/Voting

1. A simple majority of all living players must agree on one person (via voting) for a Lynch to occur (simple majority = ½ # of living players +1, rounded down). If no one has a simple majority of votes at deadline a No Lynch will occur.
2. Votes should be bolded or they may not be counted (e.g.

Vote: Player

). I much prefer VOTE: Vote Tags. Please use them.
3. Unvotes should be bolded or they may not be counted (e.g.

Unvote: Player or Unvote

). Unvotes are helpful, but not required. I will love you if you use them.
4. You may Vote: No Lynch - a simple majority (as described above) of No Lynch votes will result in a No Lynch and a move to the Night phase.
5. Votes/Unvotes should be placed on a line all by themselves to make them easier for everyone to see. Do this.
6. Votes in quotes, spoiler tags or otherwise hidden will also not be counted.
7. Votes that misspell or have other minor errors will be counted as normal as long as I understand what you are getting at.
8. Once a player has reached a simple majority of votes no further unvoting will change their fate. Tough.
9. When a player is lynched the game enters twilight until the Mod posts a death scene; all players may continue to post.
10. If you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post except for

one

brief “Bah!”-type post that contains that must contain a cute image of a Penguin.

Spoiler: Misc Rules

1.

This

is my color. I don't like to share, so don't use it.
2. I'm perfect, but there may be an appearance of a mistake on occasion. This is intentional. Please PM me privately to address. I will correct any of these intentional mistakes where possible, but there may be situations that I cannot. Sorry. Be at peace knowing those were intentional as well.
3.

Bold all requests to the Mod so that I don't intentionally miss them.

4. Rule violations will be dealt with based upon severity - up to a Modkill - at the sole discretion of the Mod
5. Any situation not specifically covered in the above Rules is subject to Mod discretion and will be handled as the Mod sees fit to address. Live with it.

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important setup information

Newbie Setup

Matrix6 (as designed by Cogito Ergo Sum):

	A	B	C
1	Town Jailkeeper	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Goon
2	Mafia Roleblocker	Town Cop	Town Doctor
3	Town 1-shot Bulletproof	Mafia Goon	Town Tracker

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates either one row or one column. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

mafia goons

and

vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Roleblocker

actions will take precedence over

Jailkeeper

actions should that apply. The

1-shot Bulletproof

is a passive ability that cannot be

roleblocked

.

basic game and site functionality

1. Using the "code" tag will let you show something in code to demonstrate, see below
   
2. Voting is done by using the vote tags:

   Code: Select all

   [vote]PenguinPower[/vote]

   gets you VOTE: PenguinPower
   
3. Unvoting is done by using the unvote tags:

   Code: Select all

   [unvote]PenguinPower[/unvote]

   gets you UNVOTE: PenguinPower, or you can simply vote someone else
   
4. As a reminder, Discussion of Ongoing Mafia Games is Not Allowed. This includes discussion ongoing games here or this game elsewhere.
   
5. It is generally recommended to choose an avatar. This is a courtesy to fellow players, so that they can more easily differentiate you from other players when reading the thread. You can do this by going to User Control Panel, then Profile, then "Edit Avatar", and you can upload a picture or gif that will go along with your user name when you post.
   
6. If you have any questions about basic rules, or the newbie setup, feel free to ask them in thread or PM me directly.
   
7. Good Luck!

Sample Role PM's (click on the spoiler button to reveal)

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

1-shot Bulletproof Townie

Welcome!

You are a

1-shot Bulletproof Townie.

You will survive 1 kill attempt during the game. This does not include lynches.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player they targeted with their action, if any.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your partner is PLAYER, who is a

Mafia Goon

/

Roleblocker

.

You share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk during night phases only.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

Your partner is PLAYER, who is a

Mafia Goon

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk during night phases only.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

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Role PMs have been sent out.

Please confirm your role and alignment via PM.

Game starts when 7/9 players have confirmed.

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The requisite number of confirms has been received. Day 1 Begins Now.

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Vote Count 1.01

Not Voting

: DogWatch, oldwino, aa-dono, JustDanceWorld, Ulti, RadiantCowbells, -Grey-, mhsmith0, mastina
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-03-15 06:05:00)

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Mastina

preempting any vig shots on confirmed town.

[aa-dono]

VOTE: oldwino
lel I feel like this name is mocking me.

[aa-dono]

preempting any vig shots on confirmed town.

What do you mean by this?

[DogWatch]

VOTE: JustDanceWorld

because you're probably a better dancer than me

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean that Mastin tried to vig me in stephen universe when I was confirmed town

[mhsmith0]

VOTE: mastina

Mafia theory says you should always lynch the IC day one

Spoiler:

in unrelated news, since I'm not the ic I'm apparently allowed to lie about mafia theory

[RadiantCowbells]

Mafia theory says RadiantCowbells is confirmed town.

Spoiler:

in unrelated news I'm not allowed to lie about mafia theory, but I am allowed to lie about not being allowed to lie about mafia theory.
I'm also highly liable to lie about other things so you probably shouldn't listen to a word I say

Also, we're going to do a thing!

I am going to claim Not 1-Shot Bulletproof.

When you see this post, you are going to respond by either saying

1) I am 1-Shot Bulletproof
OR
2) I am NOT 1-Shot Bulletproof

That means if you are Doctor, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Cop, or VT, you are not 1-shot Bulletproof. If you are scums you should claim 1-Shot bulletproof because this is autowin for town.

[mhsmith0]

Not bp, back to rvs

[oldwino]

Good morning everyone. Glad to see some action right away.

@ aa-dono
Why does my name mock you? I am old, and a wino. That's me in real life and in my avatar.
From what I can tell, you are young (so are you a wino?). Opposites attract, you know.
What does your name mean, anyway?

And back at you.

VOTE: aa-dono

I'm not going to claim on not claim anything this early. I'm new, this is my 2nd newbie game, with no other mafia experience, but claiming or not claiming this early seems like it would help scum ID town and narrow down the matrix, also an advantage to scum, I think.

Also, lynching the IC would be a disadvantage to newbies, right, since he is a major information source for us?

[DogWatch]

And back at you.

VOTE: aa-dono

why do you feel the need to return fire immediately on an RVS?

[mhsmith0]

A bp claim makes sense for a bunch of reasons. See rc in 1775

Spoiler:

So, over the last few months while I was not playing Mafia I have been working on strategies to up town's winrate in this setup and since I have finally rolled town I am going to put them into action.
The correct play at the beginning of D1 in this setup is for the 1-Shot Bulletproof, if any, to claim. This helps town immensely in numerous setups. Why am I advocating this?

1) It is fucking insane for scum to try to claim 1-shot BP in this situation. It is an insane risk play which forces a 1v1 in 5/6 setups and gets minor towncred in 1/6.
2) If the setup is Roleblocker/Jailkeeper/1-Shot BP, it's easy for the BP claim to be disbelieved. The claim coming at the start of the game makes it far more trustworthy.
3) If the setup is Tracker/1-Shot BP/Goon, the Tracker knows that there is no doc and can be a lot safer on claiming. Note that mathematically the correct play is to target the outed tracker if the other PR is not known; so little potential gain is made here.
4) If the setup is Tracker/Doc/Goon, a living tracker will know by the lack of a BP claim that there is a doctor. He can then claim safely and be doctor protected the entire game. Which sucks because I'm going to get guaranteed nightkilled but I'll get over it.

Since the 1-Shot Bulletproof doesn't actually net town a mislynch by being hit it is not actually specifically valuable for it to bait the hit.
This does come at the cost of narrowing down the game possibilities for scum: but I believe that the reward is well worth the price.

Why do you think the IC is especially valuable to keep alive? How valuable was dongempire in your first game (I only skimmed the ending so that's a legit question btw).

[DogWatch]

I am not bp

[oldwino]

And back at you.

VOTE: aa-dono

why do you feel the need to return fire immediately on an RVS?

RVS voting is basically random, so why not?

[DogWatch]

trying to gauge how overly defensive you were being

[oldwino]

@ mhsmith0

I'll take some time to read the logic you cited, from RadiantCowbells, and then decide.

I think Dong, as the IC in my first game, was very valuable until he got bored and kinda laid back.
As an experienced player, and a tracker in that game, if he'd tracked Arona N1 and Desp N2, he would have seen them both at the kill site.
Rab, the 1shot, had to claim D1 or he would have been lynched D1. In retrospect, that may have been really helpful to town. Someone, I forget who, said that in the Endgame chat.

So I'm reading the logic you cited from Radiant and thinking about it. Lots of time left in D1.

[oldwino]

trying to gauge how overly defensive you were being

I was going to roll some dice, or go alphabetically, but decided to just go back on aa.

[oldwino]

^alphabetically would have yielded the same vote. Or rolling a '1' on dice.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just for the record that's not the correct defense of the argument. I put it in a specific way because I was in fact tracker and didn't want to say anything that would lead people to believe that I was. I'll put a full case for it soon.

[mhsmith0]

Oh sure, there's more to it, and my $0.02 on the specific merits probably differ from yours, but the bottom line is it's a mechanically sound idea that two experienced SEs are both endorsing, so unless someone thinks we're scum pushing a bad mechanical idea as part of a particularly stupid plan (the IC is experienced on theory, and grey isn't a newbie either, so that's two people who could EASILY push us for it were we pushing a bad plan), I think that "it's a good idea, trust us on this and hold us accountable for it if we're proven wrong" is a sufficient argument at this stage.