[Micro 681] Spooky Scary Skeletons Mafia GAME OVER

[drealmerz7]

because I read the thread backwards, omg hahah!

[drealmerz7]

*stabs caesar in the back*

[drealmerz7]

moving on! we're too late int he day for theatrics, let's get some solid analysis and reads from your slot and figure out a lynch

[drealmerz7]

you're wrong, read all 60 pages, it's all relevant and necessaary

[drealmerz7]

go ahead and try to remove my tongue

and while you're at it

read the game instead of post fluff

thanks

[drealmerz7]

I'm all for RPing and generally I'd love what you're doing, but it's not appropriate for D1 60pages micro replacement slot

[drealmerz7]

please get to work

[drealmerz7]

it's black leather with silver trim and a 6-code lock

[drealmerz7]

you can pretty much ISO keyser and view my case on him as "posturing theatric making WIFOM building shit-spewing scum"

[drealmerz7]

if you have trouble understanding how I'm seeing that in the majority of his posts, let me know

[drealmerz7]

oooo *puts on the soulfly cover*

[drealmerz7]

omg I don't understand the votes (or any inherent scumread) on caesar AT ALL

keyser is the lynch

[drealmerz7]

I will only vote for keyser or grey today

[drealmerz7]

no, the manner in which he does what he's doing is secondary to

what

he's doing
the scumthings are covered in lots of flamboyance (making them less blatant, which is why I call it scummy, but I should be more specific and say it is subversive, which in turn is scummy), at least that is what I think I'm seeing

[drealmerz7]

the wagon I've been pushing is STILL the most viable, so move your votes there, grey, and prove to me you know how to bus a scumbud

[drealmerz7]

caesar hasn't done 1 scummy thing and no one has said why they think anything they've said is scummy, whereas keyser's theatrics have alllllllll shitloads of scummyness to it

your indifference to the difference is scumilicious, and that you're going at joey as an alternate, and phrasing it "houdini act" to make it sound as bad as you can without coming outright and saying what a towny would be and that is "joey's dodging of the game is scummy as fuck because ___" whereas he's obviously put in effort in a long D1, his posting might not be as frequent, but it is quality enough comparatively, and I don't see much scummy potential in it / the things you are being said he's scummy for seem like desperate grabs

[drealmerz7]

EBWOP

/ the things

that

are being said he's scummy for seem like desperate grabs

obviously the "you" was out of place in that sentence, whoops

[drealmerz7]

so according to keyser, anyone on him could be scum, and painted everyone one of them in a bad light to hedge his bets

gee, that's not scummy at all...

[drealmerz7]

you either didn't understand me or just contradicted yourself

[drealmerz7]

with the self-vote and "I give up" shit I was thinking maybe keyen was jester and that is why I didn't vote / push that lynch at that point because it seemed likely unhealthy

[drealmerz7]

yes, scummy AtE

[drealmerz7]

I really think joey is a bad lynch but at this point I will open the voting to both him and zulfy because they've been given plenty of time to post more meaningful content lately (and especially now with joey getting a wagon and his complete lack of input after his check-in)

grey or keyser are waayyy more likely scum in my view but we can't have a NL

I should be around close to deadline

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: grey

[drealmerz7]

Either way you´re a bad player, Grey.
Get better at playing this game please.

[drealmerz7]

you thinking that means anything at all is part of the problem

[drealmerz7]

if you play by claims and roles, that is not good, and should change how you approach

[drealmerz7]

anyway, you're just scum, don't know why I'm trying to engage

[drealmerz7]

Who got killed?

odd post - obviously no one got killed and you seem like an experienced player to be able to discern that

[L+1] -Grey- - Joey_, Caesar Wills It, <Vote>, Zulfy, <Vote>, <Vote>, drealmerz7, <Drealmerz7>, keyenpeydee, <α>

Keyen you said your alpha vote did nothing.

Explain to me how your alpha vote (+1) HAMMERED Grey?

???? - another odd post (edit - I see this is been gone over)

Not lynching today:
Keyser

why? because he pointed out the obvious to you, or??? why?

drealmerz was power-hating on townies all of D1. I still don't read this as 'bad-scum' play, thus, I'd lean town there.

you make this post like it's an assumed truth that you and grey are obvious town...you are not at all and grey going down like he did was scummy as fuck. We are better off with him out of the game, he's more likely to do town more harm than good, especially towards the end of the game, I don't want him around at all - he was a great lynch based on his scumtastic play if he was playing that way on D1, he'd do even more harm going forward. Don't ever need players like that in a game. He can be a PL for me going forward in games based on that play combined with what I say in PYPDoubleDeck.

Today is when Fire and Zulfy show their true colours. If I can t/read them both by the end of D2 I'll be ecstatic.
/quote]
to me this sounds like you know they are town but are unable to legitimize your "TR"s on them until you actually see towniness from them, which then of course leaves you open to be like "oh well they didn't show me they are town they must be scum" and go for their lynches if it works that way

how about you scumhunt instead of townhunt?

Let's talk about drealmerz.

Why is his hidden vote not hidden?

this is role-fishing I think

I presumed it was a mod error.

@Aeronaut

Drealmerz didn't seem to care...

why did you ASSUME that? and nope, I didn't care

keyser and keyen seem to be scumbuddies I can't help but keeping seeing that on much of their exchanges especially now that I know grey was town

you can pretty much ISO keyser and view my case on him as "posturing theatric making WIFOM building shit-spewing scum"

do u still feel this way

yes

My lynch targets remain dreal

but why!?

Why is everyone flipping out over a no NK?

wow harsh misrep!!!

How many in your neighbourhood?

Any of you can be a bad-Skeleton correct?

this post REEKS

fishing and asking a question with an obvious answer

why wait?

VOTE: keyser

[drealmerz7]

fucking quote tags

[drealmerz7]

prodded - and holy shit what a bunch of slackfucks you all are

I've been having some days and haven't had a lot of energy / focus for mafia but only 2 people have posted since my post 2 days ago - what's up with that?

I will try to do more in the next day or two, at this point I am suspicious of joey and don't like that he's being replaced and it might be pro-town to lynch and get a flip there but I can't even really say as my head is not in the game

more when I can

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Fire Assassin

I'm still not sure why you think I'm scum and it just seems to me like you are just hoping to push me through based on everyone else being apathetic and kind of lost for what to do.

I still think keyser is scum, but no one else does for some reason? I'm tired of pushing there.

do we have a replacement for joey yet? this game is a little whacky

[drealmerz7]

it's not NAI stuff, I'm reading it as scumstuff, what the fuck?

[drealmerz7]

you can't just say something is NAI as a counterargument when someone else thinks it is AI

[drealmerz7]

well, you're wrong, it is AI

[drealmerz7]

keyser, I have no "list of scumtells" - that would be really dumb, imo, to play like "scum do this LIST , scum don't do this LIST"

that is why WIFOM is where the game is at in the first place

[drealmerz7]

maybe we're all town

[drealmerz7]

why would you even begin to want to make generalizations?

do you have any familiarity or experience with aeronaut games? mod WIFOM nearly killed me in Drunken Christmas (seriously I did myself brain damage in that fucking game, sorry titus!)

[drealmerz7]

well, you're wrong, it is AI

A+ argument

exactly my point about you saying "it's NAI"

exactly

[drealmerz7]

why would you even begin to want to make generalizations?

do you have any familiarity or experience with aeronaut games? mod WIFOM nearly killed me in Drunken Christmas (seriously I did myself brain damage in that fucking game, sorry titus!)

just to be clear I do want these questions answered

[drealmerz7]

what is this evidence people speak of in mafia?

I don't know of any evidence other than night-action results

everything else is conjecture

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Fire Assassin
...it just seems to me like you are just hoping to push me through based on everyone else being apathetic and kind of lost for what to do...

that's scummy

[drealmerz7]

those aren't answers those are questions

[drealmerz7]

I think aeronaut is overrun by school

still no replacement

this game needs an enema

[drealmerz7]

if that shot is real why'd you use it on keyen when you've been scumreading me the entire game?

[drealmerz7]

joke:

why didn't the skeleton cross the road?

Spoiler: answer

he didn't have the guts

[drealmerz7]

you hated and the hatred is exposed is my guess...

[drealmerz7]

definitely sometime after 1 death

[drealmerz7]

Ignore my scribe. He shall be beaten.

in order to eat him he'd have to have meat on his bones, are you indicating that you have a meatbucket working for you and is that then a scumtell telling us he's your goon and your are PR scum?

(seriously I am just trying to generate content this game is stagnant)

[drealmerz7]

oh beaten

not eaten

FUCK ME

[drealmerz7]

*doesn't have eating human flesh on the mind, nope*

[drealmerz7]

how is there no joey replacement yet? ridiculous

[drealmerz7]

votes on the vacant joey slot stink even more than they did before

I doubt his replacing out is AI and even if it is to assume so based on the gamestate is negligent and weak

that slot is just LHF, I had townlean on Joey and to lynch there now stinks even more than it did before to me

having said that...it's really hard to give a fuck at this point, obviously the mod doesn't care about us, maybe we shouldn't give a fuck about his game and just all replace out or someshit I dunno this is ridiculous

[drealmerz7]

yeah please read whole thread, it's not that long

and why don't you think scum would fake being drunk (btw zulfy is 1/2 TRs for me, the other being Caesar)

[drealmerz7]

also, why would they have to be faking it?

[drealmerz7]

PEdit: dreal, because I don't think scum would expect to be tr'ed for drunkposting and I just don't see a reason for it

but smart scum doesn't "expect" anything, they hope for things and lay shit out there hoping someone, anyone, even if not everyone, "picks it up" and goes with it

[drealmerz7]

-I think scum are less likely to drunkpost than town, since scum have to be more careful
-I think if scum did drunkpost, it would look really scummy

nonsense, I say!!!

I think this is why you were obviscum to me in Mystic

you were being too obvious and careful and deliberate in doing so, only scum does that unless you're a towny not wanting lynched, and if that is the case, the key then becomes to read into it and determine the motivations behind it (towny guarding their PR or scum being cautious?)

[drealmerz7]

I'd think scum would give a fuck if they were scumread.

Again, I don't see a reason for scum to fake drunk posting, it would take too much effort for probably not that much reward.

PEdit: if this is really helping you sort me at this point I'll continue the conversation, but it doesn't seem like it...

PEdit 2: Scum can pretend not to be cautious but fundamentally they have to be more careful than town because it's a bigger loss to their team if they are lynched

I think we have a few misunderstandings here

everyone should give a fuck if they are scumread - it's matter of if your giving-a-fuck is townminded or not and if you can replicate that as scum and how well it comes off

but...the initial point should be I guess that it seems to me you are assuming that scum wouldn't drunk post and so if it SEEMS like they are drunk posting that they'd then actually be faking it and to do that is too risky and so they must be town?! that is alll sorts of horrible convuluted assumptions that will just get you in trouble if that is your stance

if it can be seen as towny to real drunk-post, then scum absolutely without a doubt would real drunk-post, it doesn't get more complicated than that - if you're trying to be/replicate your towny and it is something you'd do as town, you do it

faking it doesn't need to come into the equation is my point, but since it has, yes, scum could absolutely pretend to drunkpost to excuse their shitplay (but it is infact shitplay to begin with, and I think you'd agree to that, but that doesn't mean scum wouldn't do it, ppl play badly as scum all of the time and part of the issue around here is that people excuse bad scum play as "oh he wouldn't do that as scum it's bad" - ummm, yes, yes they would if they're not so good at being scum, and no one is 100% on their game all of the time, sooo, using being drunk as an excuse to your suckage is totally possible scumplay)

yes this absolutely helping me form a read on you

your p-edit2 to is fundamentally flawed as pointed out in the underlined section

[drealmerz7]

I've summarized and explained why keyser is scum so many times, please read the thread or at least my ISO as repeating content is annoying (not to me but to the gamestate and adding clutter, it doesn't help)

[drealmerz7]

See I don't know why scum would think it could be seen as towny to drunkpost.

no

you are missing the fundmental point

if someone is town and they get drunk and post, if it is something they'd do as town, then it should be something they'd do as scum, every other point is irrelevant to that primary point

[drealmerz7]

dreal what kind of read is forming on Infinity for you?

wow I could vote you for this alone

how about you let it form and let me share it as I think is good rather than try to draw something out of me prematurely

[drealmerz7]

Ok but there are quite a few scum playstyle that are quite cautious and would shy away from something like that for the reasons I stated earlier. And there would also be some people who wouldn't be able to do it effectively.

but that doesn't argue as to why no one would do it, ever, at all

[drealmerz7]

and I am arguing that if someone is likely to post drunk as town, if they're a good scum player, they're just as likely to post as scum because "I do that as town too" and good scum replicate their town play indiscriminately

and to assume someone is not a good scum player, even if experience teaches me otherwise, is BAD play as town, you never ever ever underestimate potential opponents

[drealmerz7]

we just disagree on fundemental playstyle

I try to play my towngame as scum 100%, no matter what, and I don't care if it gets me scumread or not, because it's my town game, and sometimes that happens and to try to not make it happen is a scumdication to me

[drealmerz7]

it wasn't a deliberate singling out, I just was addressing a point and then it expanded into mafia theory around that point
if the mafia theory applies to multiple points, great, but for me it's more about understanding the validation of your read because your method is different than mine, and if I can influence your method to what I think is better townplay, great

[drealmerz7]

I agree that it is bad to play drunk and anti-town

scum very well could try and fake it to excuse shit play, as previously said, but still a bad way to play, imo

infinity, I think everything is settled, ppl just giving their 2 cents, not trying to keep the convo going

[drealmerz7]

Dreal do you have anything to say about infinity's other reads?

meh, I understand them well enough and think they're legit and not like he's repeating or imitating other's views but came upon it genuinely

I would like him to read the thread thoroughly though and is only the scum-dication I see from him

with the townlean I had on joey nothing infinity has done has made that waver at all yet and I feel pretty good about that slot compared to most others

[drealmerz7]

I don't have a drunk posting push

[drealmerz7]

you either didn't follow what happened there or you're trying to make it into something it wasn't

[drealmerz7]

I was trying to help infinity get a better read method, that's not a waste of time

[drealmerz7]

also, in doing so it also helped me understand how he came to the reads he had, and helped me get a good feel for the genuineness of them

definitely was not a waste of time

[drealmerz7]

yeah I would have done the same thing as scum really

[drealmerz7]

I think dreal reaction was scummy.
The reaction i expect out of town dreal was to immediately call it out as bullocks.

He wasn't positivie, which makes me think he is scum.
But also alot more other things make me think dreal is scum.

why would you expect that reaction? that doesn't make sense to me

why would I call it bullocks unless I had reason to believe you were lying, town or scum?

[drealmerz7]

why would you expect that reaction? that doesn't make sense to me

why would I call it bullocks unless I had reason to believe you were lying, town or scum?

You seem like a person who wouldn't automatically believe what someone claims.
So you taking my claim at somewhat face value is suspicious.

Do you disagree with that?

no, that is just a generalization, I take each moment as a specific moment when it happens in games

I was unsure whether to believe it or not, but I think I leaned believing it at the time, but it was absolutely tempered in both directions with "that may or may not be real" - what I expressed was a mere portion of what I went through, that which I thought was best to express at the time

[drealmerz7]

So what was going through it?

ultimately basically "I wonder if that is real, guess we will see"

I'd love the slot sorted and at this point I wish it had been real, that's for sure

[drealmerz7]

that hurts

I don't know how anyone can TR that, seriously

[drealmerz7]

grey, the most anti-town towny ever?

[drealmerz7]

I'm good with a keyen lynch at this point

switching votages

VOTE: keyenpeydee

[drealmerz7]

hail, pine

[drealmerz7]

only scum should try to look town

[drealmerz7]

but the "air" about him has been an increasingly growing confidence of "ohyes! I'm such a helpful towny look at me go!"

I make some LAMIST posts, but, he's just laying 'em out there like he's putting down shingles

Talk to me about this.

I don't know what more to say that I haven't said but I'll go at it again.

keyser is still my #1 scumread because I feel like most of his posts are a lot of posturing. I get a strong strong sense/feeling that he is fake-forcing towniness. Like I've said, each post he makes practically screams of it to me at this point and I can't even barely engage him because he's all "BUT NO IT CAN'T BE, LAMIST!"

[drealmerz7]

...who'd still vote for me
So I was willing to let the contradictions and opportunism slide.
I personally would never vote/lynch a gut town read.

yep, totally, and another indication/reason why I think you could both just be scum-buddies

[drealmerz7]

tis possible, it happens, if that is what is happening I'll say sllowwwww pace didn't help

we will see eventually

[drealmerz7]

grey fosho

[drealmerz7]

2770?

[drealmerz7]

seems like your actual thoughts

[drealmerz7]

mod doesn't even know what the fuck is going on and doesn't give a shit about his game I think

[drealmerz7]

I sent him a msg like 2 days into when joey was needing a replacement kind of being like "umm so what's going on seems like you're just letting the game slip away" and he's like "what do you mean I'm doing a fine job everything is great!" ...I was just kind of like "ummm...not sure how you think that?"

like what if we were having a horrible fight of awful poison that just kept going on and on but mod hasn't check in to do anything about it?

like I really don't think it is players at this point killing the game I just think the game is suffering from a huge lack of "who gives a fuck" and if that is how the mod feels players are going to feel that

[drealmerz7]

I guess

why won't you engage me about the keyser read

*engaged* what do you want from me? do you not understand my read?

[drealmerz7]

my arguments are already made I dno't know why you want me to remake them

[drealmerz7]

I really don't understand what you mean

we have different reads on the slot

I understand your read, even if I don't agree with it, I think you understand my disagreement with it because

you understand my read

what else is there? I'm no being complacent I just don't know what you want from me

if you want to engage me about it engage me about it with some thoughts I guess???

[drealmerz7]

deadline approaches, zulfy

who are you comfortable voting toDay?

[drealmerz7]

if that is how you feel (not willing to vote keyser or keyen and not doing dick to push mywagon which doesn't even make sense to want, imo), I could open to lynching you too, flub

[drealmerz7]

can't be SURE of course, but I am a great tone reader and well obviously anyway what keyser is doing is a conscious thing, his posts are deliberate and theatrical (even if improved, it's fabricated in a way that is posturing/covering up, in a definitely scummy motivation, coming off to me that way anyway)

[drealmerz7]

you aren't understanding how I play though, I sometimes roleplay or get into things a bit like keyser does

that doesn't necessarily matter of course for alignment, so you have to go farther when someone does something as either aligment and you can still pick up behavioral things and understand motivations through various phrasings and nuance put to how someone is doing something and "read" it. just like ANY other sort of read, and some people are better at doing it than others, and sometimes it's wrong and sometimes it's right, and sometimes it's strong (like a FAT HUMAN) and sometimes it's light (like a skinny skeleton!)

THIS time, THIS game, exclusively, without any prior exposure to keyser, I get a strong feeling that it is coming from scum, that there are scum-dications in sooo much of it just by the nuance and tone.

[drealmerz7]

I don't at all

[drealmerz7]

again, read what I said man

it's not that I don't like getting into it or roleplaying, it's that, sensing through it, with the way you are doing it, I am getting scumness from it

THIS GAME

it has nothing to do with the fact that you do the same sort of thing as either role, it is beyond that

I SAID THESE THINGS ALREADY

[drealmerz7]

HOLY CRAP DUDE YOU AREN'T FUCKING READING

I AM FINE WITH YOUR PLAYSTYLE

HOLYFUCKINGSHIT

[drealmerz7]

WHY the fuck is it "more town than scum" ?!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

you make so many assumptions...

[drealmerz7]

saying shit like "hey's sure made it so he doesn't make it LYLO anyway" is sooo frikken scummy

I better live the whole fucking game ppls

[drealmerz7]

not what I'm doing at all

again, you aren't reading

geebus

and you are trying to dictate the future based on WHAT?!?! exactly!?

[drealmerz7]

you say taht the 2 of us are scum and then vote someone else...yeahhh...

I'm not scum, really ppls *sigh*

[drealmerz7]

noop, self votes are PUKAAGE OMG NOT TOWN at all to me

should only be something scum ever does

OR, like I did in the most bastard game as town wincon traitor that would get converted to scum if they targeted me at Night, so I self-hammered at L-1 because I knew if I claimed they'd want to kill me at night, and then I'd not be going for town, and at that piont with town wincon, so yep, but that is traitor with complex bastard wincon anyway, lalala

[drealmerz7]

bad compromise seriously

wtf

keyser or keyen are such better lynches

you all make no sense

would be great if we were getting some sort of regular votecounts

[drealmerz7]

I'd go for flubber keyen or keyser today

ugh, I haven't kept votecount and could totally go for 1!

[drealmerz7]

no lynch then it appears?

or was I hammered without a chance to claim?

can't even tell, I should get back to keeping my own votecounts

[drealmerz7]

I think it's just no lynch

I don't have the votes

gj ppls

[drealmerz7]

I think if he was going to give an extension he'd have given it with the replacement

honestly, we've had plenty of time

[drealmerz7]

I can only say that if I'm not the "compromise on a lynch" lynch if it happens

so it gives me mixed feelings

and annoyed feelings at the mod

[drealmerz7]

*hug aero*

[drealmerz7]

really do appreciate you reading it all though, thanks!

I wouldn't call anyone a "townread"

pine is a townlean, but it's nothing major, he's degrees lower than you too, that is for sure, you're a stronger townlean almost achieving a townread

[drealmerz7]

I swear I could be fine just killing all of you at this point and seeing what turns up

nonono

[drealmerz7]

Spoiler: what's the best way to kill a skeleton? answer:

it's already dead, doofus

[drealmerz7]

I think that is a they'd not really object?

I kind of object (and don't really think it is up to the players either)

I mean, it's not fun atm, but, we're just stagnated and need a fucking lynch/flip and a Night

Night is when we skeletons really come out to play, ay? I want to play...

[drealmerz7]

keyser's such hard defense of keyen makes me think he knows keyen would flip green and is trying to use it to set up more MLs

but who the fuck knows or cares, I suppose!

[drealmerz7]

yes, I'm fully aware of the narrative you push, you dno't need to keep pushing it

[drealmerz7]

Aeronaut is a mess

obviously shit is going on in flesh-world, try to be compassionate

[drealmerz7]

that meant for scumchat?

[drealmerz7]

spoopy

[drealmerz7]

sooo

I want to kill you all as you abandon

I like my role

grey, you were not obv. town to anyone but yourself because you can see your PM

[drealmerz7]

did someone shoot me?

[drealmerz7]

or whatever the method of skele-murdering is?

[drealmerz7]

WHY!? and, who? if you don't mind revealing

if the other maf reveals I'll reveal my role

[drealmerz7]

whatever, grey, live your delusion obviously no one can break you from it

[drealmerz7]

FA or flub or key? FA I was thinking since he wanted me dead so badly, and I didn't die N1/there was no death (I have BP...)

[drealmerz7]

and his pushes on me were bad

[drealmerz7]

can you believe you replaced in to this shit?

[drealmerz7]

understandable yeah

[drealmerz7]

see I shouldn't 2nd guess myself actually zulfy was a SR of mine I was trying to keep alive and then when infinity claimed scum I thought it must have been not zulfy

humm

okie then~!

I was SK. A meat computer...err human. 1xBP because of this flesh over my skeleton!

I stupidly didn't send in my N1 kill because I was decided on it as soon as Night started but I decided to wait to actually send it in, and then lost track of time and forgot to submit before Day started because to my brain I'd already "done" it. derrrr

[drealmerz7]

I wanted to keep zulfy alive because I thought I'd get him voting with me as the game went, and so he wouldn't NK me and it'd make my NKing go better

did think joey/inf was town, flubber was town, and that any of keyen or keyser or FA were other scum

[drealmerz7]

would you 2 have shot me N2 you think?

I meant to shoot keyser N1

[drealmerz7]

I disagree with FA, depending on what pieces we might be missing too, it's swingy but not imbalanced, town just actually has to play well instead of rely on the PRs

[drealmerz7]

might be a hidden mechanic actually

or somehow if there is a tie, be a tiebreaker vote

[drealmerz7]

someone should be BP though

if I'm BP there should be another BP I'd think? unless there is a PR we're missing something about