Fire Emblem: Heroes of Mafia [Game Over]

[Papa Zito]

Internal consistency is overrated.

[Desperado]

WAT

there were mos def scum pushing it.

ya but not red scum

because that's chara, according to zito

so the other scum team pushing a counterwagon to chara scum makes 0 sense

[Desperado]

Wait don't you scumread boon?

Wasn't he on the GIF wagon?

I guess I need to break this down.

Zito thinks Chara is Brian's partner.

Brian is dead.

Zito is now also continuing to push Chara scum because GIF was an "obvious counterwagon" to Chara scum.

But Chara scum has no partners left! So this line of thinking falls apart.

Get it?

[Papa Zito]

Chara's likely scum regardless of wagon composition but sure.

[Vifam]

What happened

I'll be back later

[PeregrineV]

Two things.

1) Why are y'all voting? It's night time still. Just open night.

2) When I'm scum, I don't town read my partners like that. That's just stupid.

You talking to me? Because he was scum read for nebulous reasons despite despite specific interactions with you. Until he wasn't in 725.

I tend to usually lean scum, null scum and fabricate actual reasons for being scum. I had a scum game where I got in deep 1v1's with both of my scum partners and they eventually were lynched. We won that game. Case of missing Dr Pepper. Phone posting, don't feel like going to find the link. If I was Brian's partner, and I wanted to show my town read, I would have at least fabricated some kind of reasoning. Scum theatre is one of my strong suits as scum.

If it helps, you and Brian have no direct interaction.

yeah, I didn't have a direct interaction with most of the people in this game, including you. Your point?

He defended you multiple times.

You said nothing about it, and gave no details on why you scumread him.

Looks like distancing.

[PeregrineV]

oh I see

desperado was scum the whole time

Based on my conversation with him about Boon day1, I don't think so.

Here we have peregrine only considering desperado for one team

probably because he's scum on the other team

Except I said I think Despardo is town.

Since I'm not on either team, which one is the "other team"? You and AJ have both used "other team". I read it as in "not your scum team". Is that how you mean it?

[PeregrineV]

And he keeps going on about brian because that's the only maf he's looking for

Yes, I should look for associations between unflipped players? Tell me more.

[Desperado]

Brian Skies - I don't really feel he's doing or saying anything, but he is making sure he is there to make it seem like he does. I am gut scum reading him, but holding back a little because I see him as a player who needs more information to hit his stride, so he isn't my strongest scum read at the moment. I expect on the next read chart for this to change into me pushing him hard, or me solidly town reading him.

He pretty clearly lists only 4 out of 15 players he wants to vote today no?

He only states that, yes, but that wasn't what I said. He positioned himself so he'd be able to switch his town reads to scum, specifically with his read on me. It's just how I felt reading that one post of his. I've stated all this before.

You have but honestly I feel like that reasoning is weak. None of my town reads are currently so strong that I'd be unwilling to swap if needs be, especially without flips and wagons to look at. That post he laid out his 4 top scumreads with reasoning (albeit poor) and also gave a few townreads. shrug

it's day 1. it's more a matter of tone to me i guess. The way he had it rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe i'm tunneling, oh well. I want more info. i want flips.

His brian read in conjunction with his scumread on Dunn for positioning himself to switch townreads to scumreads is the #1 reason I'm reading Boon as scum.

[Vaxkiller]

Are you saying boon is scum with not chara? Because thats the only combination that makes sense. He has the perfect opportunity to just sheep along with the rest of us when not chara was at L1, but he said chara looked town.

For teh record, I dont see it that way. I think boons thoughts on chara come from a town place. (boon town)

[Vifam]

Why did we go into the night phase

[Vaxkiller]

Like why are we talking during it you mean?

[Vifam]

Yeah what did I miss

[PeregrineV]

Yeah what did I miss

Gif was lynched.

[Vifam]

I REALLY don't understand the hesitance to lynch Chara

[Vifam]

Like are we all playing the same game

[Vaxkiller]

Votecount 2-12 (Final)

GuyInFreezer (7): Dunnstral, Not Chara, PeregrineV, Boonskiies, Aj The Epic, Papa Zito, Fro99er
Not Chara (4): Desperado, Vifam, Gammagooey, Vaxkiller


With 12 players alive, it will take 7 votes to lynch/no lynch.
Not Voting (1): GuyInFreezer

A great fire roars up. While GuyInFreezer might be dead; it seems that it's warm and light enough to continue discussion. Night Two will begin with his flip; but the thread will remain unlocked during that time. You may submit night actions as usual via PM during this time.

[Vaxkiller]

We got night talk for tonight.

[Desperado]

Are you saying boon is scum with not chara? Because thats the only combination that makes sense. He has the perfect opportunity to just sheep along with the rest of us when not chara was at L1, but he said chara looked town.

For teh record, I dont see it that way. I think boons thoughts on chara come from a town place. (boon town)

no, i'm saying boon is brian's partner

[Boonskiies]

Already explained why that's bad to someone else. ^

[Boonskiies]

Actually, you bringing up my Brian Skies read actually goes against what I said to Dunn. Defends me. I changed it to a town read, not a scum read. I did the opposite.

[Boonskiies]

My gut was right, though, haha, but I tried not using that. I gave a reason not to lynch someone, and like I said earlier, if him and I were scum partners after things he said, I would have setup for an eventual bus. I'm boon...

[Not Chara]

I think it's pretty clear now that GiF was the townie counterwagon. We're lynching Chara today.

actually just for fun

VOTE: Not Chara

does this do anything

Internal consistency is overrated.

Chara's likely scum regardless of wagon composition but sure.

this is before, during, and after Desperado calls out Zito on bad logic. just say you don't think i have to be Brian's partner to be scum, or that you were wrong about GiF being a counterwagon but right about me being scum. instead you backpedal.

[Papa Zito]

The wagon on you built agonizingly slowly and couldn't quiiiiiiite make it quite to the fabled mountaintop. Yet GiF was lynched within seconds. This is despite there being far more evidence favoring a Not Chara lynch over a Gif lynch.

Therefore I call shenanigans.

Could you be Brian Skies partner? Absolutely, for reasons stated in the thread. Could you be on the other team? Absolutely, for claim reasons plus the new information via Day 2 wagons. Does your slot's ability to be on either scum team make you my absolutely #1 favorite lynch of all time? Boy howdy.

Throwing shade at me doesn't change any of this.

[Desperado]

Actually, you bringing up my Brian Skies read actually goes against what I said to Dunn. Defends me. I changed it to a town read, not a scum read. I did the opposite.

The direction of the read is irrelevant.