Newbie 1779 | Spring | Endgame

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which makes me believe it is more likely to be genuine instead of scum trying to keep their options open.

You and I have very different views of the gamestate, m'friend. Keeping options open is explicitly what oldwino has been doing and is a large part of the problem.

Yes. Explicitly.

Very explicitly.

Blatantly and unapologetically explicitly.

And I townread him for it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well you ought to start giving damns because the next step is for me to lynch you.

What's with the cheap townread you gave me? I don't have issues making genuine RVS posts and given how hard I fooled you and others in TTH's game I would expect you to give my scumgame a little more respect.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you basically flew in with MMM RC IS CONFTOWN over absolutely nothing then came up with two hard scumreads including one on OldWino who I townread so.

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MMM RC IS CONFTOWN

[mastina]

but then I kinda wonder if she might just be going for a bizarre play here or

just actually be super not good as scum

.

In a normal game I would go on a very long-winded rant about this--ridiculously long. Full wall of text, at least a screenwidth long, and it would not be pretty.

Instead, I will link to a few of the quite numerous sources that would suggest VERY strongly to the contrary. (And note that's an incomplete list.)

Suffice to say:

no

. I am not "super not good as scum". I'm better at scumplay than I am at townplay.

[mastina]

Well you ought to start giving damns because the next step is for me to lynch you.

And I should be quaking in my boots about this, why?

I already think my wagon has two scum on it.

Why would I fear your L-1 vote? Because of the risk of a newbie derphammering?

Go on. Vote me. I literally give zero fucks about your stance on me. You are wrong. I don't care that you're wrong. You're not going to lynch me.

What's with the cheap townread you gave me?

It aint cheap, it's accurate. You are town. I am reading you as town. You don't like that, tough. I don't care. Because you are town, and I am town, and that's all that matters to me. I don't care about your opinion of me townreading you.

and given how hard I fooled you and others in TTH's game I would expect you to give my scumgame a little more respect.

Given how I wasn't playing that game: not really, no. I respect your scumgame about as much as I respect that of any other established veteran: it exists. It is something that is respectable. It may even be a don corelone nomination. It is not impenetrable, nor is it impossible to discern from a towngame. You are not special. You are just another player to me. Nothing less, sure, but also nothing more. And this game, you are town. It's really that simple.

[mastina]

Like you basically flew in with MMM RC IS CONFTOWN over absolutely nothing then came up with two hard scumreads including one on OldWino who I townread so.

Oi. Not so.

I came in with two soft scumreads (both of which have changed to unspecified reads which I have asked to be guessed at, with nobody yet to take me up on the offer), and one hard scumread.

Makes all the difference in the world!

[Ulti]

VOTE: mastina

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VOTE: mastina

Read the rules.

Also, why mastina?

[mhsmith0]

UNVOTE:
Not really ready for a day end or a derphammer just yet.

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 1.08

mastina

(2): oldwino, DogWatch

oldwino

(2): aa-dono, mastina

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(1): RadiantCowbells

aa-dono

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Not Voting

: JustDanceWorld, Ulti, mhsmith0
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-03-15 06:05:00)

[Ulti]

I didnt know how to vote sorry
I voted them because I have a feeling they are bad and because rather than trying to defend themself they are posting things like "frankly i dont give a damn" and town members should be trying harder than that

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[Ulti]

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You forgot the slash in the second bracket.

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mastina,

I get the unmistakeable feeling that you are scumreading both mhsmith0 and oldwino.

This doesn't jibe with me, because mhsmith0 and oldwino are both voting you.

Now if this were, say, aa-domo and oldwino you were scumreading together that were both voting you, I would consider it plausible.

But I don't buy for a second that both members of the scumteam would be voting you together so early in d1 when one of those alleged scum are experienced.

That's besides the fact I have a townread on oldwino. His confidence and candor just feels town.

[mastina]

I get the unmistakeable feeling that you are scumreading both mhsmith0 and oldwino. This doesn't jibe with me, because mhsmith0 and oldwino are both voting you.
I don't buy for a second that both members of the scumteam would be voting you together so early in d1 when one of those alleged scum are experienced.

It is specifically

because

the votes were together so early on D1 that they are not only possible but probable to be scum together.

mhsmith's vote was placed in the RVS.
oldwino's vote, not long later.

This is

exactly

the time a scumteam should be voting together. Early votes together are often written off as being something that isn't alignment indicative

at the worst

--many even townread it, insisting that if scum vote together, it MUST be late on a wagon they want to really see through.

Now, LATE together, with one experienced scum, THAT would be less likely I will admit. But EARLY together is >=random for scumbuddies.

[Ulti]

mastina,

I get the unmistakeable feeling that you are scumreading both mhsmith0 and oldwino.

This doesn't jibe with me, because mhsmith0 and oldwino are both voting you.

Now if this were, say, aa-domo and oldwino you were scumreading together that were both voting you, I would consider it plausible.

But I don't buy for a second that both members of the scumteam would be voting you together so early in d1 when one of those alleged scum are experienced.

That's besides the fact I have a townread on oldwino. His confidence and candor just feels town.

didnt she say she thought 2 scum were already "on her wagon" which I think means voting her?

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didnt she say she thought 2 scum were already "on her wagon" which I think means voting her?

Don't stop there.

Finish your thought if you're going to start one.

[Ulti]

didnt she say she thought 2 scum were already "on her wagon" which I think means voting her?

Don't stop there.

Finish your thought if you're going to start one.

She is an experienced player and if she does think 2 scum are voting her then it would make sense for her to be scum reading two people voting her

[mhsmith0]

She is an experienced player and if she does think 2 scum are voting her then it would make sense for her to be scum reading two people voting her

So do you think it's a reasonable read on her end? "If she thinks two scum are on her then it makes sense for her to scum read two people on her" is essentially a non statement other than "well she didn't make a statement that was transparently ridiculous". She's your top scum read, as evidenced by the fact that you were happy to dump a naked vote on her to take her to L-1; what do YOU think of what she was saying there?

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didnt she say she thought 2 scum were already "on her wagon" which I think means voting her?

Don't stop there.

Finish your thought if you're going to start one.

She is an experienced player and if she does think 2 scum are voting her then it would make sense for her to be scum reading two people voting her

Your circular logic holds regardless of how experienced she may or may not be.

What are you driving at?

[mhsmith0]

I get the unmistakeable feeling that you are scumreading both mhsmith0 and oldwino. This doesn't jibe with me, because mhsmith0 and oldwino are both voting you.
I don't buy for a second that both members of the scumteam would be voting you together so early in d1 when one of those alleged scum are experienced.

It is specifically

because

the votes were together so early on D1 that they are not only possible but probable to be scum together.

mhsmith's vote was placed in the RVS.
oldwino's vote, not long later.

This is

exactly

the time a scumteam should be voting together. Early votes together are often written off as being something that isn't alignment indicative

at the worst

--many even townread it, insisting that if scum vote together, it MUST be late on a wagon they want to really see through.

Now, LATE together, with one experienced scum, THAT would be less likely I will admit. But EARLY together is >=random for scumbuddies.

On a theory basis, this is kind of fine. If I had a newbie scum buddy I'd probably advise him to be unworried about being voting together with me. The only real issue is that it's a relatively null event (two people voting together in RVS is itself highly likely to be unindicative just given the randomness of combinations) that's being used to prop up mastinas existing push. This one in partuclar reads as having shades of conf!bias to it (note: scum can't be conf!biased for obvious reasons; instead they have to fake it). Probably need to skim some of mastinas scum games to see if she's good at faking conf!bias or not I guess.

[mhsmith0]

I didnt know how to vote sorry
I voted them because I have a feeling they are bad and because rather than trying to defend themself they are posting things like "frankly i dont give a damn"

and town members should be trying harder than that

[/u][/b]
This is basically the epitome of pot calling kettle black. Why do you have a feeling she's bad?