Fire Emblem: Heroes of Mafia [Game Over]

[Desperado]

It's either

1. Scum no killed
2. Frogger and both scum teams all targeted the same person
3.All scum targeted Frogger?
4. PV is scum

You're missing like four or five other optiona

[Papa Zito]

It's either

1. Scum no killed
2. Frogger and both scum teams all targeted the same person
3.All scum targeted Frogger?
4. PV is scum

5. Unclaimed doc
6. Some kind of redirect
7. Some kind of bulletproof
etc

I'd like to understand your AJ read as well because I really don't share it.

[Desperado]

@Vax: I'm not typically around on weekends.

i don't like that Aj was the one to 'catch' Peregrine here.

I don't either. The fact he claimed the refund gives credence that he tried to do

something

N1 but I'm still bothered that he claimed it unprompted and I don't like anything in his posting history. So I'm not quite sure what to do with his claim. It doesn't help that PV isn't posting though.

Pretty sure PV is Vla on weekends also. Ego check confirms.

[Papa Zito]

That's fair, and I'm perfectly willing to wait for him to come back before doing anything.

[Vifam]

AJ's D2 posting felt pretty town

the arguments for him being scum aren't really that convincing either

[Vaxkiller]

@AJ If Pere flips town, then what?

[Papa Zito]

AJ's D2 posting felt pretty town

the arguments for him being scum aren't really that convincing either

Which D2 posts did you feel were town? And what arguments aren't convincing?

[Not Chara]

if there's a town-aligned reason for the lack of a second nightkill, it should be claimed. with it, there's no guilty on Peregrine. if nothing else, a simple 'i know what happened', would suffice and not any role information.

we haven't seen that, so i really doubt it's the case. i don't think a doctor or bulletproof hit were the cause here.

there's also the possibility of Aj lying about his target. i do doubt that one, since he claimed before i even entered the thread for the day. Aj definitely targeted Peregrine, at least.

[Not Chara]

Vifam: Aj spent most of day 1 chainsawing me. considering i was your best scumread before the Peregrine guilty, why doesn't that give you pause at all? even if you don't think we're partners, that he was seeing town where you were seeing scum.

[Gammagooey]

yeah literally everyone but PV's been here at this point, and *most* things that would suggest an alternate reason for things other than AJ jailkept PVscum should and almost certainly would have been claimed by now

waiting for PV a bit longer to show up and post remains fine but I'm expecting him to either lurk into replacement or hug that line pretty close given what happened today and if/when that happens that deserves a thousand pounds of death.

[Papa Zito]

yeah literally everyone but PV's been here at this point, and *most* things that would suggest an alternate reason for things other than AJ jailkept PVscum should and almost certainly would have been claimed by now

You'd expect a doctor or bulletproof to claim when a jailkeeper already claimed a block thus throwing their action into doubt instead of keeping to the shadows and continuing to work? In a game with 2 scumteams?

[Gammagooey]

doctor is the main thing I was excluding from *most*

if the bulletproof actually thought PV was likely town aside from them getting shot then I'd say they'd likely claim to stop a mislynch even with a second scumteam

but also if you'll notice there is a theme to most of the things in this game and that theme is relevant to this situation

[Papa Zito]

The main theme I've picked up from this game is Where Is My Town. If you meant something else there I missed it.

We're at 7-2-1 and I'm not super stoked by this claim so I'm worried we're going rapidly downhill from here. I don't trust AJ more than I trust my cat and that damn thing got into the bedroom AGAIN this morning so I feel really really really iffy about this claim even though I shouldn't cuz lolmultiball.

I hate multiball now btw god.

[Vaxkiller]

I have a bad feeling that this lynch is being pushed through by scum

[Gammagooey]

its 1-shots everywhere. brian's role is dumb without it being the case and everything that's been claimed so far except ThinkBig's role backs that up.

[Vaxkiller]

Like gamma or Dunn + AJ.... Id have to look through thier isos to see if there is a connection.

Like its just weird that AJ just happened to jailkeep the person who already had 3 votes on him, like it was setup nice and neat.

[Aj The Epic]

@AJ If Pere flips town, then what?

Then night 3 begins with PV flipping town. There's no reason to go "yeah but hypothetically an unlikely situation comes up and is the reason there's no 2nd kill" especially when the person in question has been scummy.

i don't like that Aj was the one to 'catch' Peregrine here. especially when there are multiple explanations for what could have happened to the kill that don't involve Peregrine being jailkept. and i wish i'd targeted even one player involved with nightkills last night to shed some light on it.

Jesus. I'm a claimed JK and occam's razor states the easiest explanation for why there was 1 no kill is because I influenced it. The second most likely is double-targeting but scum teams should have different motives on who to kill. But I still don't get your first sentence. Don't like that I'm the one to catch PV? All I hear is you trying to shade me like this is some sort of elaborate setup set off by me claiming yesterday and reading PV scum for 2 days.

P-edit: Vax, read my iso and please realize the number of times I've called PV scum.

[Gammagooey]

i swear why does everyone in this game hate occam's razor

like even if AJ is scum him faking his target on someone he doesn't think is scum would be retarded, and claiming a role-thing that could be disproven at this point would be retarded, so the thing that makes sense is regardless of his alignment he has either a jailkeep or a roleblock and used it on PV, and because of that and PV's play, which is always this bullshit *lurk and don't scumhunt and live way longer than he should because that's what he always does*, PV is very very very likely scum

like yes there's prob scum of whatever team PV's not on that are on the wagon but masterful scum plans of lynching PV here when he's town are stupid when there'd be a huge chance of it blowing up in the face of whoever tried it because a)rolezzzz and b)multiball

HI AJ WE'RE OCCAM'S RAZOR FRIENDS NOW

[Papa Zito]

Something I just realized and I think is important

I am responsible for roleblocking EVERYONE on night 1.

This means Brian Skies was definitely a scum crosskill. I'm going to reread things in light of this.

[Vaxkiller]

Then night 3 begins with PV flipping town. There's no reason to go "yeah but hypothetically an unlikely situation comes up and is the reason there's no 2nd kill" especially when the person in question has been scummy.

It's not unlikely. We had two claims full from the previous day (my fake day reloader claim and not chara's investigative) and tahts not including you... who also claimed SOMETHING as well. So someone could ahve doc'd one of us, or they both targeted froggy, or froggy took 2 bullets by using his ability.

[Vifam]

AJ's D2 posting felt pretty town

the arguments for him being scum aren't really that convincing either

Which D2 posts did you feel were town? And what arguments aren't convincing?

His comments where he talked about looking for the notred scumteam felt town, also his arguments with Frogger day 2 looked like town v town

My only real problem with him in the first place was his defense of Chara but a Chara/AJ scumteam is VERY unlikely so that could just be town defending a townread of his

The only argument I can remember was something about him bringing a lot of white noise to the game and I don't think that's very scummy

[Vifam]

Vifam: Aj spent most of day 1 chainsawing me. considering i was your best scumread before the Peregrine guilty, why doesn't that give you pause at all? even if you don't think we're partners, that he was seeing town where you were seeing scum.

I've already come to the conclusion that a Chara/AJ team is unlikely, I had my reservations about him D1 but I really don't think he's scum here

[Vifam]

Plus like his claim matches up with pretty much every bit of info we have so far


Id be willing to maybe discuss all scum + frogger targeting the same person but I don't see why AJ would lie here as scum, if PV flips town it'd be super unnecessary on his part seeing as PV was widely scumread and was probably gonna end up being one of the wagons today regardless

[Vifam]

UNLESS it's Chara/AJ and AJ is trying to save his buddy and dodge another lynch but that's fucking ridiculous

[Vifam]

Like for AJ to be scum here he'd be making some incredibly unnecessary moves, even if he's a scumjailkeeper or whatever it'd be smarter to just keep quiet and let things take it's course. Now even if he did actually target PV and he's the last redscum he's put himself in a situation where if he's not NK'd he looks suspicious