Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

So PV built Pyramids on Day one.

Confirmed by me.

Someone else built night talk on day one.

Confirmed by you?

This means two of the scum wonders are accounted for already.

there was only one.

PV uses activity to try to sell Titus into pushing MariaR who is lynchbait in every fucking game of mafia because people feel MariaR is an easy mislynch for some reason.

Whoa, from out of left field...this was like day1 or 2. I shouyld say 7000-8000 posts ago.

Then when Nero flubs on bucket patrol PV hops on.

Don't know what this is.

Nero and PV are obvScum.

So this is a Nero attack, and not Sondham defense? Or is it both?

Night talk is assuming scum aren't idiots.
You're scum by Town agreement that Pyramids should have claimed.
Yes I was demonstrating every scummy thing you did before I was interrupted.

Bucket patrol as I explained earlier if you bothered to read is when someone tries to throw shit repeatedly on obvTown and see what could actually stick...bucket of shit throwing aka bucket patrol.

Again I was explaining a narrative. You are scum with Nero and tried to setup Sondham for mislynch.

So, take one wrong thing, and try to base a bunch of alignments on it?

[MathBlade]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

PV.....I am on record nearly 100 times (exaggeration)
Daytalk is the strongest town power.
If you are suggesting me scum then suggesting me scum without daytalk is dumb.
There is no way scum passed on daytalk. Per setup rules in the first post they shouldn't know what resolutions were coming up. They would have to shoot themselves in the foot.

If they missed it day1, they got another chance to build it. Right?

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

Here you say it twice.

Scum would have to know each resolution before it came up and based on the first post and some of the resolutions that isn't a thing. Scum would not ever not build daytalk.

[Alisae]

Oooooooh yeah.
tbh I forgot.
Also this seems beatlejuicy as fuck.
idunno I'm worried go do more towny things.

[PeregrineV]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

[MathBlade]

So PV built Pyramids on Day one.

Confirmed by me.

Someone else built night talk on day one.

Confirmed by you?

This means two of the scum wonders are accounted for already.

there was only one.

PV uses activity to try to sell Titus into pushing MariaR who is lynchbait in every fucking game of mafia because people feel MariaR is an easy mislynch for some reason.

Whoa, from out of left field...this was like day1 or 2. I shouyld say 7000-8000 posts ago.

Then when Nero flubs on bucket patrol PV hops on.

Don't know what this is.

Nero and PV are obvScum.

So this is a Nero attack, and not Sondham defense? Or is it both?

Night talk is assuming scum aren't idiots.
You're scum by Town agreement that Pyramids should have claimed.
Yes I was demonstrating every scummy thing you did before I was interrupted.

Bucket patrol as I explained earlier if you bothered to read is when someone tries to throw shit repeatedly on obvTown and see what could actually stick...bucket of shit throwing aka bucket patrol.

Again I was explaining a narrative. You are scum with Nero and tried to setup Sondham for mislynch.

So, take one wrong thing, and try to base a bunch of alignments on it?

Many many wrong things from you PV not just one.

Namely your bad push on me.
Nero's opportunistic one makes you two linked like thieves.
MariaR towntold in her opening so that to me is wrong.

You know I am not getting lynched yet don't comment on the popular wagon.

Thoughts on Nero and Davesaz go.

[PeregrineV]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

PV.....I am on record nearly 100 times (exaggeration)
Daytalk is the strongest town power.
If you are suggesting me scum then suggesting me scum without daytalk is dumb.
There is no way scum passed on daytalk. Per setup rules in the first post they shouldn't know what resolutions were coming up. They would have to shoot themselves in the foot.

If they missed it day1, they got another chance to build it. Right?

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

Here you say it twice.

Scum would have to know each resolution before it came up and based on the first post and some of the resolutions that isn't a thing. Scum would not ever not build daytalk.

OK, then knowing you had grabbed your wonder, why vote for natural?

[MathBlade]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

[MathBlade]

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

PV.....I am on record nearly 100 times (exaggeration)
Daytalk is the strongest town power.
If you are suggesting me scum then suggesting me scum without daytalk is dumb.
There is no way scum passed on daytalk. Per setup rules in the first post they shouldn't know what resolutions were coming up. They would have to shoot themselves in the foot.

If they missed it day1, they got another chance to build it. Right?

Also wonder why we had to have Natural passed:


Natural: Each era, wonders from the previous era may be built. However, attempting to build an already built wonder will result in failure.

We confirm three of the wonders were built. Maybe scum passed up building daytalk, so wanted to go back and build the next night.

Why was natural pushed so hard, and who pushed it?

Here you say it twice.

Scum would have to know each resolution before it came up and based on the first post and some of the resolutions that isn't a thing. Scum would not ever not build daytalk.

OK, then knowing you had grabbed your wonder, why vote for natural?

End game utility
FMPOV scum had at least two wonders locked Pyramids and Great Lighthouse.

This meant Town would get more use than scum and allows a Town who got jibbed to pick up another power.
If scum want to stop that they have to be powerless.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Please read sig, I'll be talking later

[PeregrineV]

Many many wrong things from you PV not just one.

Namely your bad push on me.
Nero's opportunistic one makes you two linked like thieves.
MariaR towntold in her opening so that to me is wrong.

You know I am not getting lynched yet don't comment on the popular wagon.

Thoughts on Nero and Davesaz go.

My push on you stems from the fact that I was nighkilled by scum, and you are using every twist of possibility to paint it as something else.

Who the fuck does that with something so obvious?

I was content to wait for more info (like when you people actually lynch scum), but when you are so blatant, I have to speak up.

If Nero is pushing you, he probably thinks your scum. Did you ask him about it?

If Maria's play has not supported her towntelling, why are they still a townread?

Popular wagon? That changes each time I come.

I have no thoughts on either, since I kind of stop following every post.

State your case on each, I guess.

[PeregrineV]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

You're not allowed to waffle.

2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.

Math, is Gin/Elbirn, to the best of your knowledge, on the same team as you?

Math, are you town?

[PeregrineV]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

I claimed all of them. So, did I claim pyramids? Yes. Did I lie about getting pyramids? No.

[PeregrineV]

End game utility
FMPOV scum had at least two wonders locked Pyramids and Great Lighthouse.

This meant Town would get more use than scum and allows a Town who got jibbed to pick up another power.
If scum want to Stop That they have to be powerless.

If you flip scum, then you have effectively lied, since you know I'm town.

Not going to argue anymore. You have no endgame purpose for allowing wonders to be built backwards. You say it, but can't explain it. Therefore, must not be real.

[MathBlade]

1) Because that is the common narrative and doesn't make it true. Look back at Shadowrun Mafia you are using the same tactics. It was argued that D&D was Mafia because of the night kill. I was read as Town because I shot Karnos.

Scum would have 0% reason to shoot an inactive lurker. Scum shooting you would be crazy scum.

2) Not answering that second question.

3) There were long posts about it but you didn't bother to read. His argument is shit. Go read rather than me spoonfeed you. You read enough to cherry pick read the entire three.

4) MariaR did towntell to me I just read people differently.

5) Give me your reads on Davesaz and Nero.

6) I already have done so and I am phone posting and getting ready to do RL stuff.

[PeregrineV]

Why would we need the pyramids claim?

@Math- Does this make Dave scum with me, or town that I confused with my superpowers?

[MathBlade]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

You're not allowed to waffle.

2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.

Math, is Gin/Elbirn, to the best of your knowledge, on the same team as you?

Math, are you town?

Yes I am allowed to waffle.
50/50 odds on Gin.
I am Town.

[PeregrineV]

The DEO, Fro99er, Vecna, ABR, the hydra that Maria is in: all gut town leans based on these pages. Subject to revision after I've had time to review previous events.

@Math- Dave townreads you and Maria, you townread Dave and Maria, who does Maria townread?

[MathBlade]

Why would we need the pyramids claim?

@Math- Does this make Dave scum with me, or town that I confused with my superpowers?

Dave is town.
You are scum.
You may or may not be the one that confused him.
Vecna for example said Pyramids should claim.

There was lots of Pyramids should claim and Stonehenge should target them talk.

[PeregrineV]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

You're not allowed to waffle.

2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.

Math, is Gin/Elbirn, to the best of your knowledge, on the same team as you?

Math, are you town?

Yes I am allowed to waffle.
50/50 odds on Gin.
I am Town.

I asked if Gin was on your team, based on ALL of the knowledge you currently posses. That would be a yes or no.

[PeregrineV]

Why would we need the pyramids claim?

@Math- Does this make Dave scum with me, or town that I confused with my superpowers?

Dave is town.
You are scum.
You may or may not be the one that confused him.
Vecna for example said Pyramids should claim.

There was lots of Pyramids should claim and Stonehenge should target them talk.

Vecna also lynched beeboy and ABR. Why would I listen to him?

That wastes the power of pyraminds. You already wasted yours and ABR's wonders. Don't be so salty that I refused to let you waste mine.

[MathBlade]

Sondam is town. MariaR rarely curses as scum.

When have I played with you when I'm scum? O_o
~Maria

Maria R is stingy on the townreads but here is a derptell.

MariaR forgot I replaced into the card game where MariaR was scum.

[MathBlade]

Why would we need the pyramids claim?

@Math- Does this make Dave scum with me, or town that I confused with my superpowers?

Dave is town.
You are scum.
You may or may not be the one that confused him.
Vecna for example said Pyramids should claim.

There was lots of Pyramids should claim and Stonehenge should target them talk.

Vecna also lynched beeboy and ABR. Why would I listen to him?

That wastes the power of pyraminds. You already wasted yours and ABR's wonders. Don't be so salty that I refused to let you waste mine.

Pyramids is IC with vote or scum shoot it after confirmation.
Either way not a waste and this has been discussed.

Vecna is human we all are.

Right now I would rather focus on my top scumread Nero so we can actually lynch a scum today.

[MathBlade]

Buuuuuuuut I might be okay with flashwagoning Gin.

Gin is a waffle read. Nero has votes already. Join me on Nero.

What does this mean?

It means I waffle on my Gin/Elbirn read.

Nero is a much stronger scumread.

Talk about Nero and Davesaz. Let's see what conf!scum for not claiming Pyramids says. And don't argue you did when in essence you lied about it.

You're not allowed to waffle.

2) I don't lie in scum games. It is a badge of honor to try to win without lying.

Math, is Gin/Elbirn, to the best of your knowledge, on the same team as you?

Math, are you town?

Yes I am allowed to waffle.
50/50 odds on Gin.
I am Town.

I asked if Gin was on your team, based on ALL of the knowledge you currently posses. That would be a yes or no.

And the answer is if Gin is town to that and I don't know.

[MathBlade]

I gotta go but PV needs to give his Nero and Davesaz reads.

Nero should be eating rope today not Dave.

[davesaz]

I'm not sure why PV is a topic of conversation. Not like we can lynch him, right? At most it's associatives and knowing whether to trust his reads. I only wanted to dispel the notion that his alignment is confirmed by "scum wouldn't" logic.

VOTE: MathBlade