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[Killthestory]

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[gigabyteTroubadour]

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this post basically sums up my thoughts wrt this game

[PenguinPower]

Talk to me about scum!Dunn? he's basically my most confident tr so far?

Final VC + my first game with him experience + my hydra game with him.

My thought...two scum off wagon with the self-hammer - major assumption. Dunn knows that I'm an easy mislynch and his play regarding my slot has reminds me of his scum play towards my/karnos' slot in the hydra vs how he treated my slot when he was town in 647.

Granted one was a hydra game and one was not.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

reading 647 rn - i was in the hydra game and i kind of remember this point?

as for my read -

i usually find that dunn is lurkier/less invested as scum, the hydra game comes to mind as a strong example as does strahd. like town!dunn has this energy and investment to solving the game that i think is really difficult to fake in general, the closest i've seen him to imitating it was in the waltz game recently.

like in the hydra game he and hs basically coasted through by just calling your slot scum and rc & fa did everything to not get that slot lynched until deadline so that they can just deathtunnel and do nothing. here i'm getting a completely different impression and i think he's actively fighting to break up the apathy we have

just to clarify - by final VC you mean day one's right?

[PenguinPower]

Yeah...end of D1.

[PenguinPower]

like in the hydra game he and hs basically coasted through by just calling your slot scum and rc & fa did everything to not get that slot lynched until deadline so that they can just deathtunnel and do nothing. here i'm getting a completely different impression and i think he's actively fighting to break up the apathy we have

Rude (dunn) may have "coasted" in his scum game given the amount of posting by Lewd (hs), but I am comparing Rude's posting regarding my/karnos' slot in his scum game given my limited experience with Dunn as town.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ok wait pp what's your point with dunn in 647...?

i read his ISO in there and he barely interacts with your slot, he calls you scummy once in the beginning and then townreads you after he scumreads the DixC/Annienen bloc but never really discusses it. like i can get that he thinks you're an easy ml (as in the idea makes sense but there isn't much to say "this is how he feels") and might not want to be a part of it as scum but i don't really see how the meta supports it here?

like if anything it mirrors the town example you linked more than the scum example i recall.

like in the hydra game he and hs basically coasted through by just calling your slot scum and rc & fa did everything to not get that slot lynched until deadline so that they can just deathtunnel and do nothing. here i'm getting a completely different impression and i think he's actively fighting to break up the apathy we have

Rude (dunn) may have "coasted" in his scum game given the amount of posting by Lewd (hs), but I am comparing Rude's posting regarding my/karnos' slot in his scum game given my limited experience with Dunn as town.

it's not just post count

it's things like tone, depth of reads/thought process (dunn never really shows the depth of his thought process in-thread but like i Get it), that make me think town. karnos (it was more karnos that was scummy iirc) is really easy to surface-level scumread imo and that slot never really advanced a more nuanced read than that one. here dunn's thought process evolves in a more reasonable way by dunn standards.

[Dunnstral]

Rude (dunn) may have "coasted" in his scum game given the amount of posting by Lewd (hs),

What are you on about?

The majority of those posts were mine

[Dunnstral]

Like giga is talking about depth of read and you brought up post count which is objectively wrong

You're not comparing that game to this one, and I wasn't treating you like I did in that game

VOTE: penguinpower


TITUS, are you doing the thing I asked you to do? Targeting me, or what's your thoughts on that

[bangthemafia]

i put dave in my lock townreads since on a meta read he's obviously town

he pushes cases and talks about rl way differently as scum

I am not like confident in it but I think that Davesaz is town.

@Giga,@Prince, explain why you find Daves "Locktown".

giga, who do you think we should be focusing on right now?

I'm kind of lost

I don't want to lynch: Giga, Lyon, Spade_Ace, prob not schadd, transcend


VOTE: alban

??

yeah that's good i basically have the same list + davesaz pp.

I think you are throwing around townreads too easily. If you go by this, your lynchpool basically means- [Titus, Me, Alban, KTS]. I know I am town. I am also not convinced about alban. KTS is only mildly scummy to me. And Titus has claimed PR. So there is something shittily wrong going on here. Maybe I havent got enough time so I couldnt go through people's meta, and so couldnt understand what you mean, but I think some of you seem to be heavily basing your reads on meta. And too many people are getting pocketed too easily. Anyway, since last 48 hours nobody posted much and I didnt want to post just for the heck of increasing my post count, I looked at VCs of day 1. Will post soon.

Giga, who is "he" here? I assume Spade. If you are talking of his advice to Schadd at the beginning of the game, at that time he didnt have the information about other slots. So what is your point?

that it's silly to scumread him for it

I believe titus's claim, but spade could have drafted ub/rc and not gotten it so he wouldnt know schadd's role

I don't have a strong case on you, bang, besides the fact that I think the people who were on both titus and whemeplay were wagonning them for claims. voting you as a compromise might help me better establish a read on you based on who follows and reacts

@Giga, you say you dont have a strong case against me, then why am I in your lynchpool?

@Spade, what do u think of alban this game? I dont know why but i just fail to understand this bloodthirst for alban. What case others have for his slot?

@Everyone, somehow in this game, I see there are some players who are being scumread by others without any solid reason. Also there are some players who are being written off as conftown by some again without anything solid. I dont know about how others look at this, but the moment someone townreads me without much reasoning, I tend to reflexly get paranoid. I think town has to avoid falling into this trap of town reading those who townread us. I mean we need to work together, agreed. But nobody is a conftown unless they hav a town result by cop or they are masons. Even neighbourizer could be scum.

I dont have time next 2-3 days. But deadline is still far away. So as soon as i get some time, i m gonna ISO wheme and few others in hope to find out something.

@Spade, to be 100% honest, I m not even sure about u. U are acting quite different. Maybe you are trying to change your meta or something. I am not going to get tunneled on u as I hav a bad experience of last game where you were black goo.

Coloured font is what I was talking about

I will post soon. Giga, you wanted to know who scumreads Spade. Well, I for one, will never completely clear off Spade. I will post separately some of Spade's posts that have been worrying me. Just to remind myself, his posts after Wheme's play and his post inviting investigation at night

[bangthemafia]

These are the important vote counts and biggest wagons of day 1-

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.4

Titus (5):

PenguinPower, Prince Lyon, Transcend, Persivul, gigabyteTroubadour

Spade Ace (4):

Killthestory, schadd_, Titus, WhemePlay

alban (1):

bangthemafia

bangthemafia (1):

Dunnstral

Not Voting (3):

alban, davesaz, Spade_Ace,

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-04 02:03:00).

alban is on V/LA until 2/23.

Vote Count 1.5

Titus (5):

PenguinPower, Prince Lyon, Persivul, gigabyteTroubadour, davesaz

Spade Ace (3):

schadd_, Titus, WhemePlay

alban (1):

bangthemafia

bangthemafia (1):

Dunnstral

davesaz (1):

Transcend

Not Voting (3):

alban, Spade_Ace, Killthestory

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-04 02:03:00).

alban is on V/LA until 2/23.

Vote Count 1.6

Titus (5):

PenguinPower, Prince Lyon, gigabyteTroubadour, davesaz, WhemePlay

davesaz (2):

Transcend, bangthemafia

Spade Ace (2):

schadd_, Titus

bangthemafia (1):

Dunnstral

Not Voting (4):

alban, Spade_Ace, Killthestory, Persivul

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-04 02:03:00).

alban is on V/LA until 2/23.

Vote Count 1.7

Spade_Ace (4):

schadd_, Titus, Persivul, WhemePlay

Titus (4):

PenguinPower, davesaz, bangthemafia, Transcend

alban (2):

Prince Lyon, gigabyteTroubadour

bangthemafia (1):

Dunnstral

WhemePlay (1):

Spade_Ace

Not Voting (2):

alban, Killthestory

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-04 02:03:00).

alban is on V/LA until 2/23.

Vote Count 1.8

Titus (4):

PenguinPower, davesaz, bangthemafia, Transcend

Persivul (2):

Prince Lyon, schadd_

Spade_Ace (2):

Titus, WhemePlay

WhemePlay (2):

Dunnstral, Persivul

alban (1):

gigabyteTroubadour

bangthemafia (1):

Killthestory

Not Voting (2):

alban, Spade_Ace

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-04 02:03:00).

alban is on V/LA until 2/23.

Vote Count 1.10

Persivul (5):

Prince Lyon, Dunnstral, Spade_Ace, Titus, schadd_

Titus (4):

PenguinPower, davesaz, bangthemafia, Transcend

alban (1):

gigabyteTroubadour

bangthemafia (1):

Killthestory

Prince Lyon (1):

Persivul

Spade_Ace (1):

WhemePlay

Not Voting (1):

alban

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-04 02:03:00).

Vote Count 1.12

Titus (4):

PenguinPower, davesaz, Transcend, Prince Lyon

alban (2):

gigabyteTroubadour, Spade_Ace

Persivul (2):

Titus, schadd_

Spade_Ace (2):

WhemePlay, alban

WhemePlay (2):

bangthemafia, Dunnstral

bangthemafia (1):

Killthestory

Prince Lyon (1):

Persivul

Not Voting (0):

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-04 02:03:00).

Titus is V/LA until the end of the weekend.

Vote Count 1.13

WhemePlay (6):

bangthemafia, Transcend, PenguinPower, Dunnstral, Killthestory, davesaz

Spade_Ace (4):

WhemePlay, alban, Titus, schadd_

alban (2):

gigabyteTroubadour, Spade_Ace

Prince Lyon (1):

Persivul

Not Voting (1):

Prince Lyon

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-04 02:03:00).

Vote Count 1.14

bangthemafia (4):

Dunnstral, Titus, Transcend, Killthestory

Spade_Ace (3):

WhemePlay, alban, schadd_

Titus (3):

bangthemafia, Spade_Ace, Prince Lyon

WhemePlay (2):

PenguinPower, davesaz

Prince Lyon (1):

Persivul

Not Voting (1):

gigabyteTroubadour

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-04 02:03:00).

Vote Count 1.16

momo (8):

Spade_Ace, bangthemafia, davesaz, PenguinPower, Titus, schadd_, Transcend, momo

alban (2):

Prince Lyon, gigabyteTroubadour

bangthemafia (1):

Killthestory

davesaz (1):

WhemePlay

Killthestory (1):

Dunnstral

Spade_Ace (1):

alban

Not Voting (0):

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-04 02:03:00).

A lynch has been reached. Flip coming shortly.

I did some analysis about who all were on a wagon when that wagon was at max votes (>4 votes as L was 8 on D1); and also at any time after VC 1.4.

Dead people are in coloured bold-

Titus wagon-

(At 4 or more votes) PP, PL, Trans,

Persi

, Giga, Daves,

Wheme

, Bang; (At a time when this wagon had 3 or less votes-) Spade

Spade wagon-

(At 4 or more votes) KTS, Schadd, Titus,

Wheme, Persi

, alban; (At a time when this wagon had 3 or less votes-) None extra

Persi wagon (Dead, was VT)

-(At 4 or more votes) PL, Dunn, Spade, Titus, Schadd; (At a time when this wagon had 3 or less votes-) None extra

Final Momo wagon after he replaced Persi (Dead, was VT)-

(At 4 or more votes) Spade, Bang, Daves, PP, Titus, Schadd, Trans

Wheme wagon (Dead, was Tracker)

- (At 4 or more votes) Bang, Trans, PP, Dunn, KTS, Daves; (At a time when this wagon had 3 or less votes-) Spade,

Persi

Bang wagon-

(At 4 or more votes) Dunn, Titus, Trans, KTS; (At a time when this wagon had 3 or less votes-) None extra

Observations-

1. People on each of the 5 major day 1 wagons-

None

2. People on atleast 4 of the 5 major day 1 wagons-

Trans

3. People on atleast 3 of the 4 major day 1 wagons (coz 5th was their own)-

Persi

, Spade, Bang, Titus

4. People on atleast 3 of the 5 major day 1 wagons-

PP, Daves, KTS, Dunn

[bangthemafia]

I am assuming for now, that out of the 7 that voted Momo (8th one being himself), atleast 1 has to be scum, maybe even 2. I know I am town, and others can replace their name with mine, so for me there is atleast 1 scum among-
Spade_Ace, davesaz, PenguinPower, Titus, schadd_, Transcend.

Also, just noticed from Persi and Momo wagons. Persi & Momo were quite different. Persi was quite townread by many. Whereas Momo did lot of weird things after he replaced in. So naturally, their wagons were almost mutually exclusive. The only people who were common on both wagons were- Spade, Titus, Schadd

[gigabyteTroubadour]

thanks for that, i was going to do one like that too but that saves a lot of effort

i mostly fos you because i tr everyone else but that's probably going to change because i have to be wrong on everything else

alban is really the only slot i sr

[bangthemafia]

Am busy for next 2 days till Saturday afternoon. Will try to read and respond in between.

@Mod, please note V/LA till Saturday 11th afternoon

[Titus]

Bang is scum. IIoA with colors.

[Titus]

Like giga is talking about depth of read and you brought up post count which is objectively wrong

You're not comparing that game to this one, and I wasn't treating you like I did in that game

VOTE: penguinpower


TITUS, are you doing the thing I asked you to do? Targeting me, or what's your thoughts on that

I will target likely scum. Not people I TR. Double do if a TR of mine gets lynched.

[Spade_Ace]

@bang what exactly does your analysis conclude??

Is there any way we can push the game forward? Too many town and null reads

@Titus I was waiting for your VCA. Anything in particular that it suggests?

[Spade_Ace]

is anyone still scumreading spade? i think that's the slot i want to reevaluate in that case

Gigabyte talk to me. Ask me some questions that will help you re-evaluate me.

[Spade_Ace]

What would happen if no one wants to replace in??

[Prince Lyon]

I'm sort of just waiting for an Alban replacement atm.

[Prince Lyon]

This is frustrating because everyone is discrediting my reads on KTS and Alban and they are the two people I'm most sure are flipping scum and there's never really been a case given for either of them as town.

This feels like one of those games where I'm right and everyone else is wrong but I can't get traction on anything.

[Prince Lyon]

Davesaz is a bad lynch. I explicitly do not townread PenguinPower but they're not like a scumread in the same way that the Alban and KTS slots are.

I'm okay with waiting for an Alban replacement but I'd really like to hear some sort of explanation for why they're town besides assuming that their global replace out was town motivated.

[Prince Lyon]

Like, scum can ragequit too. And I feel like people are just assuming that KTS's tone and playstyle are town even though they're consistent regardless of his alignment.
Whereas the general pushing on Penguin/Davesaz feels kind of shitty and it's like hey let's go down the usual suspects list and lynch people who get lynched every game.

[schadd_]

prodge

things to say later

[Titus]

Like, scum can ragequit too. And I feel like people are just assuming that KTS's tone and playstyle are town even though they're consistent regardless of his alignment.
Whereas the general pushing on Penguin/Davesaz feels kind of shitty and it's like hey let's go down the usual suspects list and lynch people who get lynched every game.

Davesaz rarely gets lynched in my games.