Micro 691: Just Mafia (Game Over)

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Hey guys

What's shaking?

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Obama always keeps it cool though

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ThinkBig + Lil Ui Vert

GG no re.

We can end this in ~2 pages.

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Savage.

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VOTE: Temphdq

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@Lil Uzi - is your vote RVS or naw?

What do you think?

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Doesn't look like RVS to me but I don't see how their post merits a vote.

One word. Selective.

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AJ and Max looks TvT.

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I voted for Temp because they voted for Space for not voting. At the time, I hadn't casted a vote yet either so I was wondering why I wasn't called out on the issue.

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grumble grumble steal my pagetop will you

lol bodied

AJ and Max looks TvT.

Why?

I think AJ and Max is TvT because the heart of the argument seems purely play style based. AJ is being aggressive and wants opinions on arguably the most controversial player in the game so far in Tenshii while Max seems like he wants to let things develop more.

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Speaking frankly, I've liked no one's play thus far and think they could all use to get their ass in gear and post.

LuV's play this game actually bothers me, and I consider myself fairly aquatinted with his bad habits of sounding scummy early. Here particularly, he's been as brief as possible with no real advancement to the game.

I would argue that schadd's reasoning isn't well put together, the vote placement/timing isn't bad by itself.

Tenshii's white noise was bothering me because there wasn't anything productive that could come from it, up until roughly post 49. early in the game, scum can try and post a lot to integrate easier/get in with the 'town block'.

Temphq's post on 'tvt or svs' is pretty bad too. I'd probably only make a preliminary call on Hiraki being town this early. Depending on his next post, I'd be interested in looking into lynching Schadd but right now I think I prefer Temphq.

VOTE: Temphq

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Prod received.

Still happy with my vote.

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UNVOTE:

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Tenshii's activity shot down right after people started voting for him.

VOTE: Tenshii

@AJ - do you still scumread Lil Uzi? I was TR-ing that slot early game but given his inactivity its getting weaker and weaker.

Activity is NAI. Why are you pushing that tell?

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Tenshii read is because it feels like a playstyle adjustment. If he had high or low activity by itself that would be NAI but the change is what irks me.

For you, its mostly because you have no new content while others are producing content so my reads on them get stronger while my read on you gets weaker.

Tenshii's tone has been consistent throughout.

Your read getting weaker based on lack of content doesn't make any sense here. I can understand if I was posting filler while serious discussion was going but I wasn't doing that at all. I wasn't here. There is no way to determine if I'm genuinely not giving new content based on absence unless you think I'm active lurking.

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Disagree about Tenshii's tone.

My point about you is that early game there's not much to go on so you were one of my strongest TRs. Now that I have more info about others with little new info about you my reads on others get stronger relative to my read on you. I can see how it was confusingly worded.

How are you reading his tone? I read his one liners as aggressive and overall persistent.

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If AJ flips scum, Hiraki deserves some attention too.

says the person voting me

Did you not see where I said I wasn't going to L-1 AJ with a week left before deadline?

Prolonging the day doesn't do any good. What do you want to accomplish before you put him at L-1?

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If AJ flips scum, Hiraki deserves some attention too.

says the person voting me

Did you not see where I said I wasn't going to L-1 AJ with a week left before deadline?

Prolonging the day doesn't do any good. What do you want to accomplish before you put him at L-1?

How about you contributing your thoughts now? That's a prod dodge with nothing more than "Yeah let's get a lynch so I can contribute less".

Already have. Nothing has changed my opinion on you and Max.

If AJ flips scum, Hiraki deserves some attention too.

says the person voting me

Did you not see where I said I wasn't going to L-1 AJ with a week left before deadline?

Prolonging the day doesn't do any good. What do you want to accomplish before you put him at L-1?

Longer days only benefit town. It gives us more to read and refer to for D2. Yes, activity in the game has been pretty nonexistent. But what good would come from hammering early?

Longer days tend to not be so beneficial to town due to things like doubt and uncertainty creeping in.

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@Lil Uzi - I'd like your opinion on the AJ/Max/Tenshii scuffle here.

TvTvT.

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Who do you think could be scum then?

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

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AJ is town because of his aggression and his attempts to start discussion. He's not trying to start trouble, he's looking for trouble. Take his opening post and the timing of it. During the steadily growing TB wagon he opts to go after Tenshii. I don't see scum attempting to go after a player like that early or even at all. He's been essentially testing the waters and willing to take risk from the start which is more likely to come from town than scum in my opinion. It's just rubbing people the wrong way because he's blissfully unaware of how he comes off to others and everyone here plays the game at a different place.

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VOTE: Lil Uzi

Who do you think could be scum then?

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Try harder.

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Sup Toto

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Max and Aj need to stop 1v1. Thanks.

Also,

there is a scary looking clown in this game.

I want everyone to reflect on that.

Do you think he's been scummy?

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This game has very low activity. It is going to be very hard for town to win in this environment. It is a 10 page game with a very close deadline on D1. Mafia has an easy job gliding through yhis.

Luv your playstyle has changed a lot lately. You are being more lurky. Effort is not alignment indicative but when all town makes an effort it makes it harder for mafia to blend in. Town has an easier job being town than mafia. If everyone makes an effort alignments will become more apparent.

Im going to wait until d2 to see if things improve otherwise I will replace out.

I understand your concern but I can assure you that I'm still the same player you know and love. One thing a lot of people don't know about me is that it's very easy for me to get disinterested and/or tune a game out over the smallest things. I've been lurking because of disinterest and my disinterest here is similar to how I played in 670. A big argument between two players became the center of discussion and players were forced to choose between the two because people couldn't put their ego to the side.

One way for me to get easily disinterested is when I know I'm right. I was super confident about Music Box being scum and I was pissed no one followed. I feel I'm right here and as a result, here we are.

Actually, LUV is my strongest town read after re-read.

LUV, work with me. I kind of want to lynch Hiraki. But it seems I always want to lynch Hiraki and I don't want to tunnel this game. I need your cool Rasta town logic.

Failing that I'd say lynch Tenshil for active lurking.

I think Hiraki is town. What's troubling you about him? What are your thoughts on how he responded to Horror's case?

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Luv's only got townreads and I'd only count two of his posts as substance though.

What's the issue?

Toto, I still want to hear more about LuV. Because my soft conclusion has been he's probably the most likely scum right now (given his response in post 173, and post 204).

Actually, thinking on it: LuV's conclusion in 203 contradicts his conclusion in 173. If you're not clicking links, 173 is his "let's end the day now" post and 203 is his "I think Aj/Max is tvt" explanation, from his earlier statement that Tenshii/Max/Myself is tvtvt.

So in LuV's own progression he's showing a weakness of consistency, and his reads are, as I've stated, weak. Knowing you're on him being town, can you give me some reasons why I shouldn't help him get lynched today?

Again, what's the issue? I asked Horror what he was hoping to accomplish before putting you at L-1 because I believed he didn't intend to do anything except wait for a better lynch to come along. If you notice, he's still yet to answer that question and he only has engaged with me about mafia theory. All he's done since then is hopped on your bandwagon for a fairly weak reason. Now he's pushing me for lurking which is NAI.

The second post is me explaining why I town read you. I don't think I'm good enough to consistently sway entire towns yet so I haven't bothered to push that you shouldn't be lynched. The reality of the situation is that sometime around the end of the early game, it dawned on me that sadly one of you would have to be lynched in order to wake the other two up.

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#227
The guy lurks then gives out about low activity and threatens to replace out.
Again, likely town but just silly

Max, you do realize that one could argue that your read on Toto is just as shallow as you think my read on AJ is?

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oh wait yeah he is VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

okay now he's L-1

Cool, thanks Darklyn.

LUV you've been active on the site all day. Please Claim/post/do fucking

something

here by 10 PM PST tonight (approximately 8.5 hours from now) or it's hammer time.

This site

I guess I'll claim. I'm a town protective PR.

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I feel I'm right here and as a result, here we are.

You're really going to have to work to explain this one. What could you possibly feel you're right about here? The only read you've provided before this was that AJ was town - you've provided nothing of substance to even sort of make a case on anyone.

Again, what's the issue? I asked Horror what he was hoping to accomplish before putting you at L-1 because I believed he didn't intend to do anything except wait for a better lynch to come along. If you notice, he's still yet to answer that question and he only has engaged with me about mafia theory. All he's done since then is hopped on your bandwagon for a fairly weak reason. Now he's pushing me for lurking which is NAI.

So much is wrong with this post. I fully addressed why I didn't put AJ at L-1: because we still had a week until deadline, and short days benefit no one except scum. I fully expressed my scumread on AJ from my intro post, and the only reason I wasn't voting him before that was because my Hiraki read was stronger.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy this at all.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Back to L-1 you go.

VOTE: Horror

What's there to explain? I feel my reads are accurate and that I'm on the right track.

I'm not worried about why you didn't put AJ to L-1. I'm worried about what you said you wanted to accomplish before doing so. You've yet to tell me what you wanted to do, why is that?

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#227
The guy lurks then gives out about low activity and threatens to replace out.
Again, likely town but just silly

Max, you do realize that one could argue that your read on Toto is just as shallow as you think my read on AJ is?

no?
argue it then

I claimed the way I did for a reason. Why are you assuming that I'm a doctor?

Also, I'm not going to give effort when the basis of my case is that I'm lurking which is NAI. You don't think that I wasn't fully aware that I was active lurking?

like, if i'm to trust Hiraki's read on LUV, that he's just a player that regularly pulls shit like this...i'm not gonna be delighted, sorry

You're basically saying you think Toto is town because he mentioned the lack of activity and threaten to replace out. That is arguable just as shallow as you think you my read on AJ is

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luV who do you want lynched?

Horror.

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Tenshii is town. I saw him crumb.

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VOTE: Darklyn

Barring a result from Tenshii this is the best vote.

Why Darklyn?

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Ouch. Actually, real ouch because LUV/Tenshii are basically confirmed town and scum lost their counterplay measure to it, it appears.

I'm leaning towards Toto second scum. I don't think this team bussed, and I think coordinating would've been a bit obvious. I feel like it would've been in scum's best interest to bank on a NL and not bus there as deadline in a dead game was kinda an issue. We can also probably assume Soblov/Hiraki as town for further notice.

P-edit: That's as expected. It's GG to kill doctor, and even if it's a RB, they can't coordinate kills [1 block, 1 shot] (which actually lends itself that there shouldn't be a RB).

The only way Toto could be scum is if you're suspecting a no-kill gambit was ran.

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oh nvm I know what you're claiming. Who did you target then?

Max.

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@Lil Uzi - did you protect Toto last night?

No comment.

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No sane scum team attempts a no kill or tries to kill Max last night.

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This isn't hard AJ.

There are only four possible power roles I could be and I already hinted that I'm not a doctor.

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Why would scum target Max?

I'm practically confirmed town at this point. You're practically confirmed town too due to Horror flipping scum. He was pushing both of us.

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I'm lost here. Are you saying Max is scum?

Yes!

LuV, I'm fairly positive I know EXACTLY what role you are. I'm just saying it's not impossible for someone to want Max dead. I imagine you're also thinking the same thing, considering you haven't voted Max yet.

If I'm not wrong, we still have to lynch max because occam's razor but... ahhhhh I still could see people killing Max if they thought it was impossible to kill you or Tenshii.

Why him instead of you or Hiraki? Or even Toto?

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Exactly!

VOTE: Maxous

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Why didn't you just vote Max at the start of the day?

I wanted to see how he would react to town finding out no one was night killed.

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I already know who I'm targeting if Max isn't scum here.

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Fire away.

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Good game!

Wish I didn't get called out for lurking but it all worked out in the end.

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LuV, what was your reasoning for JK'ing Max? I know he was involved in the large 1v1v1 early d1 and Tenshii was basically cleared going into night, but I dunno if I would've let Darklyn move night 2 after his entrance early in D1.

PoE and his push on me at the end of D1 was really scummy.

Also what Hiraki said.