Mini 1887 - Oddrole Mafia (Game over)

[Börk Börk]

I'm town. I dunno, I'm just not feeling this game. In part because nobody's talking. And yes, I'm fully aware that I am part of the problem. I'll stop dicking about eventually.

[McMenno]

Prodded.

Forgot I was playing this game.

Daykiller, shoot McMenno. He's proposing the massclaim to attempt to hunt you, probably because he doesn't actually care about your alignment and wants you dead regardless. That is to say, he is probably mafia. It is still in your interest to hunt mafia today even if you are SK. Also, insert observation about current player count here and then further observations about the way this day will progress if you don't kill him. You're smart; you know what you're doing. I don't need to explain these things to you.

yes. I, as scum, proposed a massclaim to

this town, this town

, which was, and still is, very,

very

heavily against a massclaim since Day 1, and would grab any excuse to lynch anyone! Great, great scumplay everyone!!!! game solved go home

you know what? you're proposing that the daykiller kill me without a claim? well guess what, I'm MOTHERFUCKING batman, and I SHOT dwelee tonight. that's right! feel free to shoot me, I'm a sitting duck. if you're an sk then good job, if you're a townie then prepare to lose. disgusting.

VOTE: bork bork

[eagerSnake]

VC 3.02

McMenno (2): Börk Börk, aronagrundy
Börk Börk (2): randomidget, McMenno

Not Voting (4): PimHel, Socrates, Titus, momo

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch!

The Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-23 10:35:05).

Seeking replacement for PimHel.

[Titus]

Ok, i am waiting for PimHel. I TR Socrates so if I can get a few more we're good by PoE.

[eagerSnake]

Viridian replaces PimHel effective immediately.

[Viridian]

So, because there aren't very many ways in which someone can die and come back to life as opposed to just being unkillable, we can definitively say momo's slot began the game as non-mafia. Ken Kesey is the only way for mafia to do this, and there being two of those would be unheard of.

The only way for momo's slot to have started off as anything besides town is if they are a Zombie (SK only; revives once upon death and has a nightkill that only works 50% of the time). It is also mechanically possible for momo to have started off as a town!Reincarnator (town-only: "If you die, you will return to life and get a new role and possibly a new team") that has reincarnated into some kind of scum. However, the following posts combined w/ momo's recent posts just make way more sense to me coming from the perspective of the Immortal role than either of these side cases imo:

After about 100 posts or so I'll start to get down and dirty, right now I've been floating around a bit chilling with RVS. I've got a special role and I'm trying to keep on the low profiles so i dont die at night >_>

Actually screw it! I'm a bulletproof investigative role >_>

Well, now that the cat's outta the bag, there's no real point in trying to go undetected

[McMenno]

the mod pm'd me: "It's not a mod error in itself but not everything will 100% mirror the bots mechanics either"

so I'm pretty sure he's just immortal

it's also annoying because we have to wait for a replacement now...

[Viridian]

Please don't say things that might get you modkilled unless you're scum >_>

[McMenno]

it was a public question about public information. I'm not sure why the mod sent me the answer in private instead of in-thread; feel free to ask the same question, you will get the same answer

I do believe I have identified the daykiller

[Viridian]

VOTE: Alban
I was stretching a bit with mcmenno to get some reactions and reads but what town with two years of experience asks if we are out of rvs.

Good thing I don't have two years!

"I am trying to sound comfortable with being pressured but I'm not good at it!"

Ok so alban is L-1 and honestly what sticks out to me is that he claimed at L-1 without anyone giving intent...this would be one thing later in the game but this early in the game I think even the most bored trolls would be a little hesitant to lolhammer. I'll admit to never playing any type of bastard setup so idk how seriously people take them in general.

This sure is a lot of unproductive words

Don't like their incorrect townread on Not_Mafia because it's the only townread of theirs they actually feel the need to articulate reasoning for.

Then there's these two posts which is a very conciliatory/artificial tone change as soon as they get pressure. The fact that they don't say they're townreading Dwlee bothers me bc in most of their interactions w him they sound like they know he's town to me.

I also disagree that McMenno's setup spec (at least on this day phase) has no substance to it so "speedlynch again plz" isn't cutting it for me.

VOTE: aronagrundy

[momo]

VOTE: McMeno

GOD IS BACK!!!!!

DO WHATEVER, I DON'T DIE

[McMenno]

fucking really

[McMenno]

I

assume

that's a "no" to the massclaim

[momo]

Massclaim is the dumbest idea ever.

Scum will no exactly who to lynch,
.
But I will claim.

My role is GOD.

The role list was not fully complete. The mod said it himself. I pretty much win no matter

[McMenno]

Scum will no exactly who to lynch,

lol?

[aronagrundy]

Viridian what are your thoughts on mcmenno? As in whats been substantive about his posts? I'll respond to your points against me later when I'm not phone posting

[Börk Börk]

V/LA until Thursday

[Socrates]

Prodded.

Forgot I was playing this game.

Daykiller, shoot McMenno. He's proposing the massclaim to attempt to hunt you, probably because he doesn't actually care about your alignment and wants you dead regardless. That is to say, he is probably mafia. It is still in your interest to hunt mafia today even if you are SK. Also, insert observation about current player count here and then further observations about the way this day will progress if you don't kill him. You're smart; you know what you're doing. I don't need to explain these things to you.

yes. I, as scum, proposed a massclaim to

this town, this town

, which was, and still is, very,

very

heavily against a massclaim since Day 1, and would grab any excuse to lynch anyone! Great, great scumplay everyone!!!! game solved go home

you know what? you're proposing that the daykiller kill me without a claim? well guess what, I'm MOTHERFUCKING batman, and I SHOT dwelee tonight. that's right! feel free to shoot me, I'm a sitting duck. if you're an sk then good job, if you're a townie then prepare to lose. disgusting.

VOTE: bork bork

Okay, there are a significant number of issues here, and I am going to try to work with you here because I am not so conceited as not talk to my scumreads.

First of all: Batman is a killing role? What the fucking fuck. I looked at the role list and it only listed Bruce Wayne. Please elaborate in more detail.

Second of all: The only person I remember vocally shouting down massclaim day 1 was PranaDevil, who replaced out. Correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, scum you could totally have thought that the current makup of the town would be more amicable to massclaim.

Third of all: You wouldn't need to expect the town to acquiesce to a massclaim, just for them to not scumread you for it. I would not be surprised to see scum think to propose a massclaim expecting the daykiller to be the most vocal anti-massclaim voice. THIS could be how you, as scum, would propose the massclaim to hunt the daykiller. I said that your speculation about the daykiller day 1 doesn't come from scum, but I forgot to consider the possibility that you might have been indirectly rolefishing for the real daykiller to respond. I look at the fact that the scum killed Gin/Momo's slot and I go hum.

Fourth of all: I forget my fourth point. I am yet again drunk. And no, I am not scum pretending to be drunk to justify being dumb. Rather, I am significantly more verbose when I am drunk. Respond with the knowledge that I will chat your ear off, yet might pass out at any moment.

Oh right!

Fourth of all: Appeal to competence is silly, because if you were dumb to do this as scum, you are equally dumb to do this as town.

[Socrates]

Massclaim is the dumbest idea ever.

Scum will no exactly who to lynch,
.
But I will claim.

My role is GOD.

The role list was not fully complete. The mod said it himself. I pretty much win no matter

Ah, so you're a third party survivor that automatically wins regardless of what happens. What a clever and well designed role.

[McMenno]

yes. when not_mafia died I became batman, a vig/rb/doctor

and I don't do shitty gambits like this as scum. I would just let this apathetic fucking town implode upon itself. as you can see it's easy enough

because if you were dumb to do this as scum, you are equally dumb to do this as town.

this sentence doesn't make any sense btw

[Socrates]

Oh right!

Point the fifth: You are claiming responsibiliy for the only nightkill last night?

[McMenno]

YES

[Socrates]

yes. when not_mafia died I became batman, a vig/rb/doctor

and I don't do shitty gambits like this as scum. I would just let this apathetic fucking town implode upon itself. as you can see it's easy enough

because if you were dumb to do this as scum, you are equally dumb to do this as town.

this sentence doesn't make any sense btw

You talk like you, as scum, would KNOW that the town would shit on a massclaim proposal and descend upon you for it. Why would you not have this observation as town?

You are not stuck in the view that sapience is a scumtell, are you?

[Socrates]

YES

Okay. Feel like elaborating on the batman role in further detail?

Why the fuck did you kill Dwlee? Because of the accidental hammer?

[Socrates]

I thought when the role PM's said "BUDDY1", that meant they were of the same alignment as the role. Is this not true?