Micro 691: Just Mafia (Game Over)

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 1.4

Candidate	Count	Voters
Sobolev Space	L−3	temphdq, Tenshii
temphdq	L−3	Lil Uzi Vert, Aj The Epic
Aj The Epic	L−3	Maxous, Hiraki
Maxous	L−4	hapahauli
Tenshii	L−4	schadd_

Not voting:

Sobolev Space

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Night will fall in (expired on 2017-03-22 23:20:00).

[Aj The Epic]

And let this be a lesson to you all. No one snipes Umlaut 4 times in a row!

[Umlaut]

Seeking a replacement for temphdq.

[Hiraki]

What about Maxous and Shadd's play do you like?

Maxous seems to care about the game and isn't looking for people to lynch in an overall stagnant game.

Schadd seems to care about his posting from a town perspective. That could be swayed quickly.

Also Hiraki I can't imagine you making a single weaker vote than that. You:

You knew it was a weak vote and you decided to care about it?

Not defending that either - it is quite plainly a weak pressure vote and I don't like this reaction.

[Aj The Epic]

Of course I reacted to a weak vote. You're like 3 days into the game and feeding that weak shit.

[Hiraki]

Right - so my point is that it's a weak vote with no substance and your reaction to it is terrible. What should be ignorable is seen as an attack. If the vote has no substance, then no should join me, no?

[Aj The Epic]

You're acting as if having no justification EXCUSES your lame excuse for a vote.

[hapahauli]

What about Maxous and Shadd's play do you like?

Maxous seems to care about the game and isn't looking for people to lynch in an overall stagnant game.

The objective of this game is to lynch mafia. How is it townie if he isn't looking for people to lynch?
Like, if you care about the game, you should be trying to find mafia.

Schadd seems to care about his posting from a town perspective. That could be swayed quickly.

What does this even mean?

Also Hiraki I can't imagine you making a single weaker vote than that. You:

You knew it was a weak vote and you decided to care about it?

Not defending that either - it is quite plainly a weak pressure vote and I don't like this reaction.

What about his reaction don't you like? I also don't understand how this is alignment indicative at all. I tend to get pretty pissed as town when someone makes a bad/weak/bullshit vote on me.

[hapahauli]

I understand that early game reads aren't going to be based on much, but this is flimsy even by those standards.

[Umlaut]

horrordude0215 replaces temphdq.

[horrordude0215]

Hey all, will do a readthrough and post something soon. Should be pretty quick to get caught up.

[horrordude0215]

Quick catchup, hooray.

VOTE: Tenshii

Any more white noise and we'd have to use Malcolm X to save this game.

White noise? It was page 1 and it appeared to be pretty standard RVS talk. Also, at the time Schadd had made 5 posts to tenshii's 6 on Page 1. Both of them had been cluttering the thread, why only single out tenshii?

You're being two-faced, calling me passive-aggressive and doing exactly the same thing.
The REAL ridiculous issue here is you won't continue a discussion on a player at all! It's page 2, do you want the fucking manifesto on why tenshii is scummy? I wasn't telling you "Yeah I need you to write me a 5 page paper", but you refused to do anything. You're choosing to not communicate for no real explained reason and it isn't a good look for you.

This seems like an overreaction.

I don't think you can accurately make a TvT or anything prediction fairly this early on.

This is a bad 2nd post, and reeks of intentionally not chiming in on his thoughts of the previous page.

Hiraki also gets very defensive in his back and forth with Sobolev.


Post 89 just reeks of lazy and opportunistic voting.

You knew it was a weak vote and you decided to care about it?

Not defending that either - it is quite plainly a weak pressure vote and I don't like this reaction.

If you admit it was a weak vote, why are surprised that AJ cared about it?

VOTE: Hiraki

Best read I have thus far.

[hapahauli]

'ello and welcome

Post 89 just reeks of lazy and opportunistic voting.

Is this the right post? I don't get it.

[horrordude0215]

'ello and welcome

Post 89 just reeks of lazy and opportunistic voting.

Is this the right post? I don't get it.

Should have been this one. I hyperlinked the wrong post by mistake.

[hapahauli]

Ah ok. What do you make of Maxous right now?

[Hiraki]

why are surprised that AJ cared about it?

For the single fact that if you know it's a weak vote, then why should you care about it?

How is it townie if he isn't looking for people to lynch?

Because scum are looking for people to lynch while town is looking to lynch scum.

Like, if you care about the game, you should be trying to find mafia.

Are you trying to say that I'm looking for someone to lynch? Because I could've voted Soblev pages ago on very bad tenses and no one would've batted an eye.

What does this even mean?

It means that he's being very careful with his posting but from a town perspective rather than a scum perspective.

This is a bad 2nd post, and reeks of intentionally not chiming in on his thoughts of the previous page.

It's a bad thing I'm not voting one of them and TRing the other!

Oh...

Hiraki also gets very defensive in his back and forth with Sobolev.

Curious how you're able to accuse every post of mine on being scummy. Additionally curious on how you're not able to say how I've been defensive. When is defensiveness scummy in an argument anyway?

If you admit it was a weak vote, why are surprised that AJ cared about it?

Clearly was speaking to the intensity of it. Both Hapa and AJ realized that.

You're acting as if having no justification EXCUSES your lame excuse for a vote.

It didn't. Would've taken it off if you didn't give the worst reaction possible.

[hapahauli]

I still don't understand why you think AJ had "the worst reaction possible."

[horrordude0215]

why are surprised that AJ cared about it?

For the single fact that if you know it's a weak vote, then why should you care about it?

Weak votes are opportunistic and scummy.

This is a bad 2nd post, and reeks of intentionally not chiming in on his thoughts of the previous page.

It's a bad thing I'm not voting one of them and TRing the other!

Oh...

This appears to be true currently true currently, but you didn't vote AJ (and in fact stated that you agreed with his read on LUV in your very next post) until almost 72 hours later after someone else had already made a "case".

Hiraki also gets very defensive in his back and forth with Sobolev.

Curious how you're able to accuse every post of mine on being scummy. Additionally curious on how you're not able to say how I've been defensive. When is defensiveness scummy in an argument anyway?

Post 65 threw me off more than anything, because it felt like you were pushing Sobolev to the wall in an attempt to get him to out his read on you.

Ah ok. What do you make of Maxous right now?

Not seeing him as a scumread at this point.

[Umlaut]

Prodding schadd_.

[Tenshii]

And let this be a lesson to you all. No one snipes Umlaut 4 times in a row!

Nah the game barely started. It'll happen.

Sure but I'm arguing his responses are noncommittal and for something like a statement of 'yeah it's tvt or svs' which is inherently broad and has completely different meanings in each case, it DOES warrant justification on why he has such vastly different opinions.

Why did you opt to scumread him then instead of questioning the read then?

Frankly, that's quite a loaded question.

Why is it loaded?

Maxous answer plz.

[Tenshii]

UNVOTE:

[Sobolev Space]

Catching up

[schadd_]

ah, crud. first ever prod.

hap looks town. the several people wall-arguing (hiraki, hap, horror; the h-folks) look like they're responding to things and arguing for the sake of settling something rather than trying to push something, which looks quite tvt to me. hiraki is a little more shakily town now.

tenshii sort of as well. aj not as much, but i still sorta gut townread him. egh, too many townreads, but like i said, i'm not good at reading this environment i think

was about to vote sob for not being meaty enough but then i clicked preview.

get ready for a lame unvote
UNVOTE:

[Sobolev Space]

Tenshii's activity shot down right after people started voting for him.

VOTE: Tenshii

[Sobolev Space]

@schadd - what's your opinion on Max?