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I Am Innocent Jack of All Trades
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"And it is very quickly dropped when the slot replaces out."
HE WAS STILL FRIGGIN PUSHING THE WAGON LESS THAN 50 POSTS FROM THE HAMMER VOTE ON CHAOS!!!
sorry, I feel better. Care to recant that statement unknown?ShowTown 21-21-1
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I Am Innocent Jack of All Trades
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POST 1709!!!
The vote count when this post was made (1709), and was in reference to Wheme's changed vote from ECM to Chaos in 1708:
ECM 3 votes
ChaosOmega 2 votes
Wheme 1 vote
So before Wheme changed his vote:
ECM 4 votes
ChaosOmega 1 votes
Wheme 1 vote
Interesting method for trying to divert attention away from your partner......UNLESS.....my slot is town, hmmmm.ShowTown 21-21-1
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I Am Innocent Jack of All Trades
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In post 1674, ChaosOmega wrote:I never claimed that I could prove Wheme's alignment. I said I thought my role seems incompatible with a town rolestopper. But it's not impossible.
I'm a tracker. My target last night was ECMitchell; they didn't go anywhere.
Some of Wheme's posts at the end of D1 made me second guess my scum read on the slot. I read through Sheep's ISO, and they mentioned every player in the game except for ECMitchell. Not even in passing, not as a part of a readslist, none. It's a giant scumtell to me when scum is lynched and someone isn't mentioned by them.
Just for those wondering, I'm Vanilla Town by the way, and two nights I was tracked/followed doing nothing. Something to consider when you're developing your reads. Either you think I'm a goon who was never sent to do the kill or I'm vanilla town like I said.In post 1855, Aj The Epic wrote:
ECM did not make a kill.In post 1851, Fro99er wrote:I would say AJ should fullclaim, but I actually think it's better AJ keep the investigative role he is hidden
I just want to know if AJ got a result
I'm willing to take this 1 for 1 and roll Alisae first but I'm trying to figure out what the point of Alisae's claim is from scum right now.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Unknown1234 Goon
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Lowell Jack of All Trades
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Elaborate on this? I'm not quite seeing your point. You're saying Ali would have left your slot alone or what? We've seen Ali's willingness to bus (sheep) and 1v1 to kill VT.In post 2426, I Am Innocent wrote:POST 1709!!!
The vote count when this post was made (1709), and was in reference to Wheme's changed vote from ECM to Chaos in 1708:
ECM 3 votes
ChaosOmega 2 votes
Wheme 1 vote
So before Wheme changed his vote:
ECM 4 votes
ChaosOmega 1 votes
Wheme 1 vote
Interesting method for trying to divert attention away from your partner......UNLESS.....my slot is town, hmmmm.-
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Lowell Jack of All Trades
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This is what I was pointing out. What scenario does this post make any sense unless you're trying to put out feelers as to who will vote with you.In post 2429, Unknown1234 wrote:Also, I will vote first but realize that it makes no difference unless I choose to vote Lowell.
Okay I said I'd be gone for a day. Now I am, I promise. Back on Sunday.
I'll have questions for both of you then. But I'm not going to get into it now in case Unknown decides to 1v1 me before then.-
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I Am Innocent Jack of All Trades
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There's a difference between pushing a wagon and hopping on a flash wagon when ur buddying/sheeping the town leader (froggers) which is what alisea did:In post 2432, Lowell wrote:
Elaborate on this? I'm not quite seeing your point. You're saying Ali would have left your slot alone or what? We've seen Ali's willingness to bus (sheep) and 1v1 to kill VT.In post 2426, I Am Innocent wrote:POST 1709!!!
The vote count when this post was made (1709), and was in reference to Wheme's changed vote from ECM to Chaos in 1708:
ECM 3 votes
ChaosOmega 2 votes
Wheme 1 vote
So before Wheme changed his vote:
ECM 4 votes
ChaosOmega 1 votes
Wheme 1 vote
Interesting method for trying to divert attention away from your partner......UNLESS.....my slot is town, hmmmm.
There was no further post pushing Sheeps wagon.
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Firebringer Trail Blazer
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Flavor is for the weak.
Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Unknown1234 Goon
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Trust me I'm not dismissing anything. At this point I want to hear Lowell's thoughts. He made it sound like we could expect something today.In post 2440, Unknown1234 wrote:You probably still think I'm scum IAI, but look at this because it's worth looking at.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Lowell Jack of All Trades
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Uh, what? No, I said I thought you'd try to take advantage of me being gone to try to vote.In post 2438, Unknown1234 wrote:Lowell, anything to say for what I just pointed out? You said you weren't sure who was scum, and yet you just said I would try to 1v1 you. Which means that one of us is scum. Which means that if you weren't sure I was scum and you were Town you wouldn't be saying that.
I haven't made my mind up as yet. When I know, you'll know.-
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Lowell Jack of All Trades
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In post 1599, ECMitchell wrote:
Holy cow. You really are something, aren't you? If all it took was one player to say, "I vote Sheep instead," and the rest of the votes came flooding in without further deliberation, that means Sheep was already on the chopping block. It's not hard to understand tone.In post 1574, Fro99er wrote:WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TERATA STARTED THE SHEEP WAGON AND SHEEP WAS OFF THE RADAR UNTIL SHE STARTED IT
In post 1575, Alisae wrote:
And in what possible reason does scum!Terata have for bussing Sheep there?In post 1573, ECMitchell wrote:In post 1565, Alisae wrote:Okay now you just get roped.
Terata scum after starting a flashwagon on Sheep AROUND DEADLINE?
REALLY?
REALLY?You reading the same game I am? Because it was clear as day the lynch yesterday was between Lowell and Sheep before Terata weighed in. Some players bus, others defend. I don't look to that to determine who is scum, since it varies by the person and by the game. I look at the individual, and WhemeStar and Terata both have incredibly scummy ISOs that I've already commented on.What's kind of question is this? What reason do scum have to bus their mates in ANY game? It buys them longevity, it cuts ties with a mate they feel is a detriment to their team, and in some cases it earns them blind and stupid trust from others for what will probably be long enough for them to win. You either already know this and are looking to get most out of it or really are oblivious enough to press a ridiculous point like this.
Two of ECM's final posts (italics mine). The top one looks a little too clever by half. Here is ECM interacting with Ali, who has just bussed sheep. And he's using this to argue terata (who also voted sheep) was scummy.In post 1573, ECMitchell wrote:
You reading the same game I am? Because it was clear as day the lynch yesterday was between Lowell and Sheep before Terata weighed in. Some players bus, others defend. I don't look to that to determine who is scum, since it varies by the person and by the game. I look at the individual, and WhemeStar and Terata both have incredibly scummy ISOs that I've already commented on.In post 1565, Alisae wrote:Okay now you just get roped.
Terata scum after starting a flashwagon on Sheep AROUND DEADLINE?
REALLY?
REALLY?
The second one, again, ECM tangling with Ali. Again this looks too cutesy. This looks like a "you attack while I white knight" kind of plan happening.
In general IaI has more to gain by keeping me alive than Unknown. And I'm not totally convinced that Unknown is the type of player to doublebus his first partner and let his second partner self-sacrifice.-
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Lowell Jack of All Trades
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"You can't buddy both of us" "in case Unknown decides to 1v1 me"
Both of those imply I'm scum 100%. Saying that I'm buddying either of you means that I'm trying to bec friendly to avoid lynches. Why would a town player be buddying right now? They wouldn't they would be looking for the last scum.
The second point specifically implies I'm scum. If I 1v1 you that means I'm voting you and you're voting me. This also implies that IAI is not scum because if we were having a 1v1 he could hammer with of us for the win.
So of course, you assume I'm scum because if you were Town then IAI would have a free hammer to win the game. No clue why you back fracked.-
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Lowell Jack of All Trades
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Cool it. You need to be better if you're town. If you're scum it doesn't matter, flail away vote whoever you want. If you're town, a vote on me is game over, fullstop. And that will be on you, not me. If you're scum, I'dratheryou vote me and make it IaI's problem and not mine.
I've played dozens of games on this site. Won a few, usually lose. I care about getting it right more than I care about winning. So if you need to panic-vote go for it, but give me time to figure out who is scum first.-
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In post 2014, gerryoat wrote:alright guys, i'm prob dying. lynch in ECM slot and fitz imoIn post 1940, Fro99er wrote:this day should not drag on
I don't really care about finding two more town
it's probably ali+fitz
definitely not ali+gerry, so I found another town
unknown is proably town for trying to figure out if framer can exist
there. I solved it
So here are the most recent deaths (excluding terata, which I'll get to). All point to ECM/IaI as scum or Unknown as town.In post 2292, havingfitz wrote:
I am leaning towards you just being a bad player. Not necessarily scummy. Voting you over Terata would feel more like I was opting for a policy lynch. Plus scum!Alisae leaving you alone to try and secure the win for scum (when his 1v1 was unnecessary) seems a bit of a reach. Also your posts D5 have felt town.In post 2291, Unknown1234 wrote:Havingfitz, what makes you suspect me less than Terata?-
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Ali's move to kill frogger--to the extent it makes any sense at all--makes more sense from IaI's POV. In 1940 Frogger called me, terata, and unknown town and was pretty vocal about it. Unknown's behavior towards frogger was off, tonally, though. Not only for the certainty with which he says he "knew" Ali was lying, but just in general. Reads a bit like a bad attempt at white-knighting.In post 0, Firebringer wrote:Cooperative Sheep, Lynched Day 1,Mafia Even Night Jailkeeper[/b]
Hawk, Died Night 1,Town Universal Backup
ChaosOmega, Lynched Day 2,Town Tracker
WhemeStar, Died Night 2,Town Odd Night Rolestopper
Fro99er, Lynched Day 3,Vanilla Townie
Aj The Epic, Died Night 3,Town Follower
Alisae, Lynched Day 4,Mafia Goon
Gerryoat, Died Night 4,Vanilla Townie
Terata, Lynched Day 5,Vanilla Townie
HavingFitz, Died Night 5,Vanilla Townie
Gerrygoat kill makes more sense from Unknown's POV. Gerry was one of the people NOT on the sheep wagon D1, and several ppl were operating under the notion that sheep wouldn't have TWO bussers on his wagon. Unknown would have more to gain from putting more targets on people like IaI and fitz who weren't on the sheep wagon.
fitz kill makes more sense from IaI. He had been pushing terata (and to a lesser extent, IaI) when he was alive, whereas I was pushing hard on unknown.
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