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outoforder Mafia Scum
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Finally not misrepping. Well doneIn post 2420, outoforder wrote:wow Fitz is so handsome and cool, fucking so coolTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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What was your case? Someone made a wall post! And said they'd finish their thoughts later...scum! scum! scum!In post 2424, outoforder wrote:his case has nothing to do with anyone being mafia tbh.
And he said I was scummy for being a dick (though he didn't). And lots of misquoted quotes too.
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outoforder Mafia Scum
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I know about the black hole. I don't like it. I prefer women.In post 2366, havingfitz wrote:
Fuck you asshole. Go back to TL if you can't stand pressure. Fucktard.In post 2363, outoforder wrote:I am getiing mad at this fucking dumbass.
I can stand anything you can possibly throw at me because i am smarter than you are.
Try me. Try me again, and again and again you scummy scum.-
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Regardless of alignment, and no matter how good a Mafia player you think you are, Ooo, you are crossing several lines. If it wouldn't be so severely to the detriment of the other players at this point I would replace out right now. As it is, I'll settle for making damn sure I never play another game of Mafia with you, whether or not you stay here.-
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I think this is the sort of read mafia give to townies rather than their buddies. There's also the entire interaction between Hap and outoforder at the beginning of the game that reads to me like Hap was walking on eggshells trying not to trip up outoforder. If they were scum together, I'd expect light distancing rather than Hap appeasing outoforder.In post 455, hapahauli wrote:OoO has been the driving force behind the game so far, and that's incredibly difficult for mafia to fake. I've seen games where OoO was active and the lead poster as mafia, but noneso in a way as productive as this. In dealing with lurkers for example (Moogin, Kop, etc.), he's questioning them and trying to figure out their alignment rather than trying to actively discredit them.-
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two things:In post 2440, BlackVoid wrote:
I think this is the sort of read mafia give to townies rather than their buddies. There's also the entire interaction between Hap and outoforder at the beginning of the game that reads to me like Hap was walking on eggshells trying not to trip up outoforder. If they were scum together, I'd expect light distancing rather than Hap appeasing outoforder.In post 455, hapahauli wrote:OoO has been the driving force behind the game so far, and that's incredibly difficult for mafia to fake. I've seen games where OoO was active and the lead poster as mafia, but noneso in a way as productive as this. In dealing with lurkers for example (Moogin, Kop, etc.), he's questioning them and trying to figure out their alignment rather than trying to actively discredit them.
scum have daytalk
ooo is most likely an extremely high level scumplayer
however: fitz's case, while it did have solid parts, was pretty shifty
i say we go with ooo's gameplan: lynch him then fitz. i really highly scumread ooo and the threadcrapping increased that scumread astronomically. now, yeah, the content would arguably be anti-wincon as scum -- but he could be trying to WIFOM it up, and like, if this were any player whose scumplay might fall below "really good" i would say "never voting that slot" but beyond a certain level of scumplay even "super obvtown" stuff like that becomes subject to WIFOM
so my feeling is: call the bluff
and i can def agree with a d4 fitz wagon if ooo's lynch isnt a townwin. not feeling momo/doom wagon tbh-
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What changed from you saying it was between outoforder and Rels to it being between outoforder and Fitz now?
Also, the high-level scumplay would be Hap's here, not outoforder's if they happen to be partners. Hap treated outoforder like a strong town player that he was afraid of and whom he neeed to win over in order to survive. That's a very counter-intuitive thing to do to your partner and I've seen it faked very few times.-
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ooo could have coached hapa through it because of daytalk
and rels is still a scumread but hes about equal with fitz after fitz's case. the case had good chunks, yeah, but they were almost entirely pulled from my own past arguments vs ooo, or kidamn's quips against ooo (things like the misrep and discrediting players). the rest is crap, NAI, and/or baseless shadethrowing against ooo
that doesnt make him scum on its own, its just that (as you noted) this game is down to subtleties and fitz showed weak townplay there -- which is the best i got at this point for reading slots-
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Votecount 3.7
[L-2] havingfitz - momo, Creature, outoforder
[L-3] outoforder - Rels, havingfitz
Not voting: KidAmn, BlackVoid, cassielle
With 8 alive, a majority vote is decided with 5 players.
Deadline: (expired on 2017-03-27 10:45:00)-
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Why are you looking at it as appeasing and not as trying to put OoO in a good light?In post 2440, BlackVoid wrote:If they were scum together, I'd expect light distancing rather than Hap appeasing outoforder.
I don't think anything I have stated towards OoO was taken from anyone else's suspicions. If other people are noticing the same things wrt OoO that I am I would expect there to be some commonalities but I have not replied on anyone else for my suspicions.In post 2443, cassielle wrote:the case had good chunks, yeah, but they were almost entirely pulled from my own past arguments vs ooo, or kidamn's quips against ooo (things like the misrep and discrediting players).
At BV...did you see anything in the links I provided you upon request? If you have any questions for me ask. I'm v/LA until Monday but if it's not an in depth question and something quick over the phone I can probably answer in short time.
As for my case on OoO...like I said...I did not want to pour through 400+ posts looking for every little things I found questionable wrt OoO. I preferred to make it more a summary of iirc suspicions I have developed throughout the game. There's also a POE aspect of it that I did not delve into (it's fairly obvious) and gut.
I'm not scum. You have done some meta on me you mentioned before that would suggest as much. I'm not sure why I am such a front runner tbh other than OoO's tunneling on me (minus his brief stints on Rels).
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What I'm saying is that the way Hap responds to suspicions from outoforder looks like he wanted to dispel the suspicion rather than the two of them creating scum theater. Little things like "not that easy, is it?" and just repeatedly answering outoforder's questions without ever hitting back with any questions of his own suggests that Hap was trying to get outoforder to back off of him. I'd expect scum theater to be a more mutual thing. For instance, in a game I was spectating (which is Hap's only recent completed scumgame on site), he responds to a partner suspecting him with suspicion of his own.
Spoiler: Hap's scumgame interaction with partner
See stuff I bolded in the spoiler. Hitting back at your scumpartner is something I expect from most people and Hap doesn't seem immune to that. He subtly insinuates that his partner is to blame for something. He never does anything of that sort with outoforder, simply responds to questions and tries to get outoforder to back off of him.
It's not conclusive but it's something that makes me pause and think outoforder is more likely town than not.
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