Open 675: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game Over!)

[bangthemafia]

The neihborizer scenario penguin is claiming is completely stupid and inefficient but its an even less likely scenario on a scum slot. What gives credibility to his claim is me confirming that the role is indeed taken and UN CC'D = PENGUIN is confirmed TOWN neihborizer SLOT or ROLESWAPED MEFIA

I dont get this. Hows this? You are 3rd from below so what if PP is scum, their partner scum is neighbourizer and ABOVE you. You will still get denied the role because its already taken.

IMHO, i dont see mefia going for the neibhorizer slot and not neighborizing then claim neihborizer I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS TO BE A MEFIA PLAY

We can always test penguin neihborizing + titus ability to watch in the same night

I seem to be losing it. Titus claimed a tracker. SO they will NOT know whom PP visited. They will just know PP moved. Now if PP is scum, irrespective of whether neighbourizer or RB or vanilla, the scumteam can make PP make the factional kill. Tracker will get a positive. And PP will get away saying they neighbourized the dead person. How will we know anything? In this scenario, even if Titus is town, they will get a positive. We will just be wasting a night.

if he's roleswapping titus catches him if she's town lyon

No. Read above. Even if roleswapped, all PP has to do is make the kill for Titus to track him.

If at all we want to waste a night in all this, maybe we have to give a target for PP to neighbourize, request watcher to watch that target (assuming town has one. Even if scum has it, they cant openly deny town's request); and tomorrow both watcher and the target to confirm that. (Watcher saying PP did visit the target;and target saying yes, I got neighbourized). This is the only 100% way, but I just dont feel like wasting so much of energy on that. Still we can go for this. That way Titus and Schadd will also be free to investigate someone else. Also, if we dont have watcher, then Titus can track PP as already proposed, but additionally, the target for PP needs to be allotted by us and that target will need to confirm tomorrow about getting neighbourized.

its pretty darn easy to catch a penguin fake, someone will have to claim neihborized

Read above

{pl, gbt, titus, nancy}

I will compromise on anyone who isn't in that pool if you guys can find something you agree on

I still feel you are mistaken about Titus because your TR on Titus seems to originate only from a meta. I am ready to vote for Titus/Spade/PP today

[bangthemafia]

i also really don't like how easily everyone's just writing it off because that feels incredibly wrong to me.

sure they're 'confirmable' but I feel like this ends in night after night of them claiming roleblocked and not getting a result whether they're town or scum so

Did PP also claim having roleblocked?

Also, what was the chronology? Did PP claim neighbourizer BEFORE or AFTER Cloudkicker claiming that he asked for that role but didnot get it?

[Spade_Ace]

@bang PP claimed neighbourizer before cloud announced he tried opting for it.

[Spade_Ace]

The neihborizer scenario penguin is claiming is completely stupid and inefficient but its an even less likely scenario on a scum slot. What gives credibility to his claim is me confirming that the role is indeed taken and UN CC'D = PENGUIN is confirmed TOWN neihborizer SLOT or ROLESWAPED MEFIA

I dont get this. Hows this? You are 3rd from below so what if PP is scum, their partner scum is neighbourizer and ABOVE you. You will still get denied the role because its already taken.

What he is saying is PP is either a town neighbourizer or a scum using his partners role to claim.

He is saying that if scum!pp, had opted for and got neighbourizer then PP would have Def used it on night 1 instead of taking the risk of not using it. As scum you want your role to be confirmed as soon as possible.

So pp is either a scum fake claiming using his partners role or he is town neighbourizer.

[Spade_Ace]

I seem to be losing it. Titus claimed a tracker. SO they will NOT know whom PP visited. They will just know PP moved. Now if PP is scum, irrespective of whether neighbourizer or RB or vanilla, the scumteam can make PP make the factional kill. Tracker will get a positive. And PP will get away saying they neighbourized the dead person. How will we know anything? In this scenario, even if Titus is town, they will get a positive. We will just be wasting a night.

If the person he neighbourized ends up dead, PP would be lynched the next day.

[Spade_Ace]

If at all we want to waste a night in all this, maybe we have to give a target for PP to neighbourize, request watcher to watch that target (assuming town has one. Even if scum has it, they cant openly deny town's request); and tomorrow both watcher and the target to confirm that. (Watcher saying PP did visit the target;and target saying yes, I got neighbourized). This is the only 100% way, but I just dont feel like wasting so much of energy on that. Still we can go for this. That way Titus and Schadd will also be free to investigate someone else. Also, if we dont have watcher, then Titus can track PP as already proposed, but additionally, the target for PP needs to be allotted by us and that target will need to confirm tomorrow about getting neighbourized.

If you ask the watcher to watch 'the target', then scum will be free to kill Schadd.

Now without the watcher. If we allot a target for PP to neighbourize, and scum kills that target, how will you verify whether he used his PR or not? So we cannot explicitly ask him to neighbourize a specific someone.

[Dunnstral]

Don't think it's worth trying to direct the watcher

As for the neighborize, a night has passed... pp needs to claim his target from night 1

[Spade_Ace]

Dunn, he says he didn't target anyone.

[aronagrundy]

Vote Count 2.10

Spade_Ace (4):

schadd_, Killthestory, nancy, PenguinPower

nancy (3):

gigabyteTroubadour, Spade_Ace, Cloudkicker

PenguinPower (3):

Dunnstral, Prince Lyon, bangthemafia

Killthestory (1):

Titus

Titus (1):

davesaz

Not Voting (0):

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-18 19:31:00).

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, he says he didn't target anyone.

So vote him

His play doesn't make sense for having picked neighborizor

[Spade_Ace]

I prefer a Nancy lynch. If her wagon doesn't build up, I'll vote for PP.

[PenguinPower]

They picked neighborizor to holster night 1? Did he really claim to have not used their ability?

You should probably read the thread. Information is a good thing to have.

[PenguinPower]

like their play doesn't add up at all. I feel like if a super early pick takes neighbourizer they picked it because there was someone they wanted to neighbourize.

I really don't grok someone CHOOSING neighbourizer as a role and then not ending up wanting to use it. it feels wrong

You should probably read too.

[PenguinPower]

Dunn, he says he didn't target anyone.

So vote him

His play doesn't make sense for having picked neighborizor

I've explained why I didn't. Could you care enough to read?

[Spade_Ace]

8 hours left...We need to lynch someone... Titus and Dave pls vote for one of the wagons

[Titus]

Ugh I think scum are evenly split but a no lynch is devestating.

VOTE: Spade

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

[Titus]

Spade, help me quick wagon scum?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

depending on who it is i might help

[Titus]

depending on who it is i might help

I am pretty confident it's in KTS/bang/cloud/you.

That's four of nine. I will hammer to prevent NL but I am not endorsing any of these. PP can be verified as neighbor by neighborizing a major wagon. (Scum are unlikely to shoot thise.) So that's bad. Nancy is my TR and Spade's reach felt town.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

no that poe is bad sorry kts is probably the only one that flips scum

trans was obvious town by meta, i'm obvious town (sorry i'm trying to secure a lynch before deadline??), bang maybe but his last few posts have been pretty transparently town

[Titus]

So, why not wagon kts?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

we can leash his shot ideally but i wouldn't mind lynching him at deadline

i want to lynch someone who can flip rb ideally

[bangthemafia]

Everyone is so so opinionated in this game, its tiring. I wont be around near deadline as that would be 6 AM in my place. I m voting for the biggest wagon but can shift to Titus or PP if someone is interested. Will check this thread once after an hour or so.

VOTE: Spade

[Killthestory]

@lyon, who do you want me to shoot