Open 681: Making Friends and Enemies [GAME OVER]

[JaeReed]

wait a minute i don't even remember if i scumread nancy this game or not

oh well

You did.

I answer Trans on how he was reading nancy d1.

VOTE: Grendel

that wagon was a waste of time.

Went back to my strongest scumread since the momo wagon fell through without him even reacting to it.

Nah Grendel is Town.

He's weird and somewhat scummy but he's Town.

Transcend/RC and I were all faking scumreads on each other to try and keep each other alive but I guess people just NK RC because RC

.

The bolded pings me, which is explained as follows:

Transcend/RC and I were all faking scumreads on each other to try and keep each other alive but I guess people just NK RC because RC.

uhhh

lol nancy no one would bother to fake a scumread on you to keep you alive

and RC/Trans were townreading each other iirc so still not that.

lol nancy no one would bother to fake a scumread on you to keep you alive

Thanks. The idea is actually that you all fight each other to try and trick scum into thinking that you're viable mislynches. Granted, RC is never actually a viable mislynch, so whatever.

Again, this isn't what happened. RC and Trans had scumreads on nancy that they were pushing. To the point they called for a hammer on her early D1. There's no way that behaviour is a faked SR, and she's trying to get out of the implications of RC being killed here.

[JaeReed]

You voted a weak TR? Over Grendel who you've been pushing as scum? Why?

Also why did the TR go from competing with your top TR to being weak?

No, the "weak" modifier is to be applied to my scumread of you.

You're a scumfuck. YOU NEVER EVER EVER REACT TO ME THIS WAY WHEN I SCUMREAD YOU WHEN YOU'RE TOWN.

Not once to date. You're flat fucking scum and this conversation is over. I'm not interacting with you further. I'll answer other ppls questions.

[nancy]

Why does the bolded ping you? You know very well that I have a history of WIFOMing my reads.

If you knew RC you'd know that's exactly the kind of behavior he's capable of faking. I'm pretty sure his entire Day 1 was designed to appear to be scummy so as to try and avoid a NK.

Your scumread of me pre-existed me ever displaying a scumread towards you. What happened in the 60-odd posts between me competing as your top TR to being a weak scumread? I don't think anyone is going to believe that it's because I WIFOMed my reads to try and save two people from a NK.

[Fro99er]

Nancy thoughts on Grendel plz

[nancy]

He's Town.

[Fro99er]

Why

[nancy]

Short answer? Because Jae has been pushing him as scum.

Not short answer? His thought processes are genuine, if not exactly ones I'd follow and agree with, he's picking on things other people aren't in a meaningful way, rather than just arbitrarily picking on things in order to seem to be busy, he's trying to work with other people and collaborate, he's pushing his ideas actively, he's questioning and checking himself and changing opinions where he finds something at fault, and his interactions with wagons have been good. Some of his content has been iffy, but it mostly just looks like he hasn't been able to get a real feel for the game yet.

[JaeReed]

he's questioning and checking himself and changing opinions where he finds something at fault,

Grendel still srs me and dark after hap flipped town, which is where he had me/dark/hap.

This is provably false even at a glance of nancy's bs spout.

[JaeReed]

That read chance btw is not indicative of a scumbuddy. If nancy flips scum then Grendel is most likely town for it.

[JaeReed]

That read

change

btw is not indicative of a scumbuddy. If nancy flips scum then Grendel is most likely town for it.

EBWOP

[nancy]

he's questioning and checking himself and changing opinions where he finds something at fault,

Grendel still srs me and dark after hap flipped town, which is where he had me/dark/hap.

This is provably false even at a glance of nancy's bs spout.

So my read on Grendel is moot because he didn't change his SRs?

How about this, we flip Grendel and if it's scum then we're both conf!town because neither of us bus. If it's Town then your scumlordiness is exposed in all its glory. I'm not going to believe you're Town in any other scenario after you flipped your read on me for bullshit reasons when I started trying to lynch Titus.

[Rileycountant]

What the fuck sort of thought process as this

Who works with their scumread to lynch their townread to confirm the scumminess of their scumread

[JaeReed]

+1

Esp after I just said I don't think nancy and Grendel are scumbuds and I'm scumreading nancy.... so that means I think Grendel will most likely flip town.

[Rileycountant]

Yeah nancy is defo scum here VOTE: nancy

The BS about making up scumreads on each other is more of the stuff I was talking about - making up shit after the fact to justify things.

Changes wagon, gets accused of pushing counterwagon -> it was a reaction test to get a response from Darklyn!
Says spamposting nonsense and gets called out on it -> don't worry everyone it was me expressing my reads and trying to gamesolve in the most opague manner possible!
Person scumreading her gets NKed -> we were actually making up scumreads on each other! Don't worry about this!

How exactly did you know that the plan was to make up scumreads on each other? You can't be masons with both RC

and

Transcend, and I'm not going to buy it if you tell me you looked into his eyes, gave him a slow wink and the two of you telepathically discerned each other's plan.

[Rileycountant]

Also like people have already pointed out RC was townreading Transcend, which makes me think even more that this is an asspull rationalization

[Rileycountant]

+ in each of those cases of making up shit, nancy immediately turns around and scumreads the first person to not believe her(Riley, Transcend, JaeReed)

[Rileycountant]

My town list right now is {Hiraki, Fro99er, Grendel} and I'm willing to commit seppuku postgame if any of them flip scum. I'd like to see wagons on nancy, Titus, and I'm struggling to read GC and Darklyn - I think I'm leaning town on Darklyn for the sheer not-giving-a-fuckness + interactions with Grendel seemed more like town pushing someone they genuinely thought was a scumbutt over scum trying to push a lazy mislynch(and a lynch on Grendel is definitely lazy as fuck).

[Rileycountant]

momo is town also.

[nancy]

What the fuck sort of thought process as this

Who works with their scumread to lynch their townread to confirm the scumminess of their scumread

One who isn't in conf!bias oblivion.

[nancy]

Yeah nancy is defo scum here VOTE: nancy

The BS about making up scumreads on each other is more of the stuff I was talking about - making up shit after the fact to justify things.

Changes wagon, gets accused of pushing counterwagon -> it was a reaction test to get a response from Darklyn!
Says spamposting nonsense and gets called out on it -> don't worry everyone it was me expressing my reads and trying to gamesolve in the most opague manner possible!
Person scumreading her gets NKed -> we were actually making up scumreads on each other! Don't worry about this!

How exactly did you know that the plan was to make up scumreads on each other? You can't be masons with both RC

and

Transcend, and I'm not going to buy it if you tell me you looked into his eyes, gave him a slow wink and the two of you telepathically discerned each other's plan.

Bad scumhunting. I didn't *know*, but it was pretty fucking obvious. I know both those players like the back of my hand. RC was blatantly Town and I know he doesn't scumread my Day 1 play.

[nancy]

+ in each of those cases of making up shit, nancy immediately turns around and scumreads the first person to not believe her(Riley, Transcend, JaeReed)

Lol?

[nancy]

+1

Esp after I just said I don't think nancy and Grendel are scumbuds and I'm scumreading nancy.... so that means I think Grendel will most likely flip town.

10/10 preflips.

[nancy]

I'm honestly not even going to fight this push regardless of how shit it is because my flip kills 2 out 3 scum.

The issue I have you Accountant is that you're too sure of yourself. You don't stop to re-examine your reasoning and find where there may be flaws. You don't stop to check that you might be looking in all the wrong places for all the wrong things, you just conjure up a scenario for yourself where X is scum and make the pieces fit. It's bad scumhunting and your reads will always be flawed as long as you continue to base them on rhetoric and posture rather than on actually assuming the perspective of the individual you're hunting.

Case in point: Tell me why scum!me would post 1035. What is scum!me trying to gain from this? I have town!Jae trapped in contradictions and I offer them a way out because ______?

[JaeReed]

As scum I'd have no reason to turn against you and you know it. I could easily bullshit up a case and push it. You're not analyzing me at all, you're just flailing because you're caught and you're making blatant misreps because of it.

Like you as town never just omgus reads me like that because there's more depth to your thought processes. That's undeniable proof you're scum and I won't be persuaded off a scum lynch to a mislynch.

[Rileycountant]

Case in point: Tell me why scum!me would post 1035. What is scum!me trying to gain from this?

1035 is textbook lining up lynches. You're saying that if Grendel flips town, Jae is scum, which means that what you're trying to do is to arrange it so we lynch Grendel, then surprise surprise she flips town, and then you springboard off of that to get a second mislynch.

Of course, this doesn't work if you lynch Jae first, which was why you prefer to lynch Grendel first to line it up - when town!nancy would, duhhh, prefer to lynch her strong scumread over her townread.