This is your first time speaking about your potential SR of me. I'm not saying that's bad - I'm saying that you're acting like I can't do anything about it unless I please you and I'm not about that game. All I did say was that your argument was illogical toward what I had actually done from my viewpoint.
I don't even understand what this obsolete argument has to do with anything.
YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING IT.
KEEP THIS DUMB SHIT UP AND I WILL EAT YOUR HEART TONIGHT.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 959, Umlaut wrote:Grey, I'm reading through Lucca's ISO and I'm really not seeing what you're seeing. His pushes on Hans start early, make sense, don't seem to betray any special knowledge, and he never really softens that read so much as he moves on to another wagon for a while so as to actually be doing something.
If I had to look for something to scumread there I'd say the earliest posts directed at Hans seem like they could be read as coaching and trying to warn Hans off of his scummy behavior, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to suspect him by itself.
Do you care to enlighten us?
Try ISOing the
right
way, by putting both their names in the drop down menu at the search bar at the bottom of the page and reading their ISOs together. Hell, throw mine in there too if you want.
Here's a tip: Hans opens the damned game giving away his partner, and Lucca jumps immediately into suspicion to mitigate the damage. He rides Hans' wagon as distancing until it grows legs, then hops off and chainsaws chilled tea until it's obvious his partner is going down with or without him (he's never seen me with a scumread and underestimated my bloodthirst), then hops on to hammer.
The thing is, throughout the day, you can feel the camaraderie between them. Hans feeling betrayed, then reciprocating the shade. Lucca giving tips on what Hans needs to do to get his vote off him. Their ISOs together are just textbook distancing scum.
Then after the wagon is hammered, there are associatives everywhere between them. Hans is glad it's over and lets his guard down. Lucca's like "hey wait a minute, I still have to live dude..." tone in his responses, but Hans is transparent.
Wow. Edit.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 975, -Grey- wrote:YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING IT.
Yes -
I
am the only one interested in figuring out why you have a potential SR on
me
.
That enough is important for me to ask.
Read my posts.
As I've said multiple times, you're asking about obsolete shit.
Keep up this garbage with one more fucking post and I WILL scumread you.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
953 implies obsolete in time rather than in substance. But I'm glad that you could've explained that in a normal fashion and read as hard as you want everyone to read your posts so that this was clarified.
Reading the fucking GAME would have told you I moved on.
Fuck it, you're mafia. After I'm done killing this werewolf, you can die next.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In 930 you thought I was werewolf cos Hans didn't talk about me. I didn't this is a valid logical conclusion. In 960 you think am not werewolf cos Hans put me at L2. I don't understand this thought process at all.
@Umlaut I had a scumlean on your slot but I like your 934 and its followup 938. But your vote is misplaced. Am town. What about my response didn't you like? Cos that was what was in my mind when I had a NULL/townlean on Hans.
In post 947, Hiraki wrote:
Based on reading Umlaut's 934, Spade is the most logical partner. Will be doing some work tonight into seeing more connections. Honestly didn't look at this game once the flip happened.
Total shit post!! Umlaut's 934 doesn't implicate me as the most logical partner. He gave 4 options for WW,one of which was you and he chose to vote for me. How does that make me Hans's logical partner????
it just doesn't make me feel a lot better about your slot.
In post 915, Spade_Ace wrote:1. In case you missed it. It was NULL/town Lean that is my read of him was between a neutral and town read.
2. His behavior, like 'changing votes multiple times when questioned' is something that is expected from a newbie scum playing their first game. Hans's level is "Mafia Scum", which means that he was experienced enough to know that inconsistent behavior would make him look scummy. I felt he was 'too scummy to be scum'. Also he was replying to questions immediately in real time, which seemed coming from someone with an open thought process.
1 isn't a suspicious response, but it does kind of miss the point. I don't care whether your stated read on Hans was dead-null or null-townish, it's equally bad either way.
2 is a plausible reasoning process (re. Hans being too experienced to make those mistakes), but I think most of us know that a lot of players just never learn how to scum. I don't want to belabor the point (we already have Hans' flip, why argue about it) but did you at least consider the hypothesis "Hans really is that bad" before dismissing it based on his experience?
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
Partner still has a decent shot at winning this.
Give you a clue, they haven't been scum read once.
Minha pequena panqueca sorry for fucking this up.
I know this is essentially WIFOM. But i don't think as scum he will tell the truth especially after making a mistake which led to his lynch. So it is less of WIFOM and most probably the partner was someone who was scumread on Day1.
@Umlaut that is what was my thought process at that time. I could relate to him, as his responses were similar to the way I used to or to still some extent do when pressured. Can't help it if you are not satisfied. An no I didnt consider the hypothesis hans is really that bad.
In post 979, -Grey- wrote:Keep up this garbage with one more fucking post and I WILL scumread you.
In post 980, Hiraki wrote:953 implies obsolete in time rather than in substance. But I'm glad that you could've explained that in a normal fashion and read as hard as you want everyone to read your posts so that this was clarified.
In post 981, -Grey- wrote:Reading the fucking GAME would have told you I moved on.
Fuck it, you're mafia. After I'm done killing this werewolf, you can die next.
If Hiraki is scum then this was a pretty gutsy response, to do exactly what Grey threatened to scumread him for. I wouldn't expect a scum player to want to keep an interaction going that was bringing him negative attention like this.
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
I mean, I don't see belaboring a point as scummy anyway, so I think the scumread is undeserved in the first place.
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
