Open 679: Jungle Oligarchy (Game OVER)

[Infinity 324]

-278 meh spade prob not WW

How did you conclude am not WW based on Hans putting me at L2??

Cause it's unlikely for werewolves to bus, especially on an early wagon

[Spade_Ace]

-278 meh spade prob not WW

How did you conclude am not WW based on Hans putting me at L2??

Cause it's unlikely for werewolves to bus, especially on an early wagon

He unvoted me immediately. That itself should have told you am probable WW.

[Infinity 324]

In 930 you thought I was werewolf cos Hans didn't talk about me. I didn't this is a valid logical conclusion. In 960 you think am not werewolf cos Hans put me at L2. I don't understand this thought process at all.

930 is a lot weaker than 960, but I still thought it was weird that hans criticized BTD and momo for not contributing as much as they could've but he didn't mention you.

PEdit: I don't remember him unvoting you right away but I'll check.

[Spade_Ace]

He changed his vote to omega in the next page.

[Infinity 324]

Yeah I'm not reading closely enough

You could be werewolf.

[Infinity 324]

If Hiraki is scum then this was a pretty gutsy response, to do exactly what Grey threatened to scumread him for. I wouldn't expect a scum player to want to keep an interaction going that was bringing him negative attention like this.

This is a point, but I feel like ending it there might have been suspicious at that point.

[davesaz]

Riley Cake requested replacement.

[Hiraki]

How does that make me Hans's logical partner????

It's almost like it was my opinion of that post.

If Hiraki is scum then this was a pretty gutsy response

Trust me - that is NAI. I have no problem being ballsy if it means that I'll call someone out on their own shit.

I still owe what I said before and will deliver.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Riley Cake requested replacement.

[Spade_Ace]

How does that make me Hans's logical partner????

It's almost like it was my opinion of that post.

Nope not good enough. You are easily dismissing things pointed out about you. I rmbr you doing this as scum. Opinions are based on some reason.

Based on reading Umlaut's 934, Spade is the most logical partner.

You clearly stated that reading his post, I was the most logical partner. How did you come to that conclusion, when he himself hasn't said that in his post??

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've lost all motivation now.

Grey, who's scum? Why aren't you voting Hiraki again? I skimmed earlier and it seemed like you are scum reading his slot.

[-Grey-]

I've lost all motivation now.

Grey, who's scum? Why aren't you voting Hiraki again? I skimmed earlier and it seemed like you are scum reading his slot.

For one thing, people whine when I force them to lynch scum, so I'm keeping my mouth shut.

For another, I've kinda lost motivation due to that shitty attitude. How fucked up is it that town wants to bitch when a d1 lynch they had to be sledgehammered into voting flips red?

Ungrateful bastards.

So they can find scum on their own. I'm done leading the horses to water and drowning them.

[Spade_Ace]

@grey i dont think anyone bitched that hans flipped scum. Either way, consider that you have double vote in this game. Am sheeping you for most part.

Do another magic.

[Aristophanes]

Riley Cake requested replacement.

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[Spade_Ace]

Hey ari, any thoughts on the game???

[Hiraki]

I rmbr you doing this as scum. Opinions are based on some reason.

Yes, you remember me making opinions as scum.

How did you come to that conclusion, when he himself hasn't said that in his post??

OK - I'm sorry that I have to really go down this simple here. There are clearly implied things that I say when I make the statements versus when someone else makes the statement.

Here's the "correction":

"Based on reading Umlaut's 934, Spade is the most logical partner

(TO ME)

."

[Spade_Ace]

Man, you dont seem to understand what am asking.

Okay,

To You

, how am i the most logical partner? The word

'logical'

means you had a structured thought process which led you to believe that. Am asking for that thought process.

[Infinity 324]

Hiraki you said I was forcing associations between hans and riley. I want to know what you meant and where it happened, but you keep dodging the question.

[Spade_Ace]

I rmbr you doing this as scum. Opinions are based on some reason.

Yes, you remember me making opinions as scum.

You are easily dismissing things pointed out about you.

I rmbr you doing this as scum. Opinions are based on some reason.

Also nice job in misrepresenting me by editing out the 'dismissing' part.

[Hiraki]

you didn't ask that. You literally said:

" when he himself hasn't said that in his post?"

Now if you said something to the effect of:

"How did you come to that conclusion?"

OR

"Why do you think this?"

Then you would be correct. Instead, your argument is phrased to the tune that my interpretation of his post is what I think HE is thinking. I will answer your NEW query later today.

Also nice job in misrepresenting me by editing out the 'dismissing' part.

Yes, because that was clearly the most relevant portion of the post. I am dismissing EVERYTHING.

I want to know what you meant and where it happened, but you keep dodging the question.

I already answered this with my opinion on the argument and I have no further intention of continuing this argument.

[Spade_Ace]

The only thing of substance i found in your above post is this

I will answer your NEW query later today.

And am going to hold you to it.

[Hiraki]

Posting what I promised:

I really like 934 because it does a lot of work for me.

Note that lucca himself pointed out that we should rule out people on the Hans wagon, but included himself on the clear list.

At the time, I thought little of this. Now, it's more relevant. I think Lucca is a better player than to make a mistake like this as a werewolf. While he never called it a mistake, it is clearly a mistake.

This leaves Spade, myself, and Fred.

I think Fred is scum but not werewolf.

125 and 127 are not people on the same team unless they're both ballsy players. I don't know much about Frederick but I do know, especially based off of the last few pages, that Spade is not a ballsy player. That being said, if Spade does flip mafia, we still go here essentially only for 609 where after pages of not posting, Frederick pops in and talks about Spade. Kop has said nothing thusfar.

PoE leaves Spade but my biggest argument is this coaching aspect:

VOTE: SpadeAce

L2

Bad vote Hans.

VOTE: SpadeAce

L2

Bad vote Hans.

Why do you deserve to live, Spady? What are you actually doing to deserve not being lynched today?

No offense. But that is a stupid question. I deserved to be killed if you think am a scum not based on my activity. And if activity is the parameter, then there are others who deserve to eat rope before me.

Don't you think it is weird the way QT is pushing for my lynch without giving any reason? I have played with transcend before and he knows I am an easy lynch. If I do end up getting lynched today, lynch QT the next day. Am almost certain they are scum.

Hans's level is "Mafia Scum", which means that he was experienced enough to know that inconsistent behavior would make him look scummy.

This is the only place where you get a hint that Spade knew what he was dealing with. When I play games, I can tell by posting - not by the person's post count - if they know what they're doing in this game.

In contrast, here is Momo who has a

Goon

rating, which in Spade's terms means that he has to be lower than Hans in terms of quality. Here are the posts on him:

Even if it is an act, how is it alignment indicative?

That is NOT something that you say to someone that you think is a newbie.

VOTE: MomoSeems to be finding easy lynched to put pressure on.

Again, there is a distinct difference in ability here but Spade acts as if there is none.

[Infinity 324]

I already answered this with my opinion on the argument and I have no further intention of continuing this argument.

Can you quote where you answered then? As far as I know, you didn't explain it at all.

[Hiraki]

I still don't see where I'm making correlations between hans and riley though.

@hiraki

I'm not going to argue with you about this because there is a clear denial on your part that you were forcing it to some extent.

[Infinity 324]

That's not an answer. You made a statement, back up your statement.