Open 675: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game Over!)

[PenguinPower]

In your version of the narrative, sure. But in reality?

[Prince Lyon]

I trust GBT's judgement on Dunn and I also don't think he's at all like he was in FG's micro.

[Titus]

Vote Count 2.13

Spade_Ace (7):

schadd_, Killthestory, nancy, PenguinPower, bangthemafia, Titus, Cloudkicker

PenguinPower (4):

Dunnstral, Prince Lyon, gigabyteTroubadour, Spade_Ace

nancy (1):

davesaz

Not Voting (0):

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-18 19:31:00).

I want to draw everyone's attention to this votecount.
I am near 100% positive that gigabyte is town. I am town. Spade_Ace is confirmed town. I townread Dunnstral and Giga is near 100% sure that they are town.
Davesaz can go either way but I think that he's town and it serves my narrative so we'll put it down as that.

Literally every single scum in the game was on the Spade_Ace wagon. Do you think that scum would have felt the need to jackhammer a VT if the competing wagon was town?
Like the crazy push on Spade didn't happen in reaction to the nancy wagon it happened in reactino to the Penguin wagon. Scum don't want Penguin wagoned.

And let's be real if Penguin was town scum would be jumping all over the opportunity to lynch him if they took the time to RB and abuse his lack of N1 action.

This is the roleblocker. If Titus claimed roleblocked Penguin has to claim a neighbourize; so Titus couldn't be roleblocked which means that Penguin had to not act.
That left them killing Schadd because they couldn't RB him. like I still think the odds of a nancy scumflip are good but Penguin is roleblocker here >90% of the time.

There's no other narrative that makes sense here.

Assumption...giga scum. Comptent night scum. I want to back away from mechanics. I get if I am outvoted though.

[Prince Lyon]

It doesn't take competence it just takes a simple risk assessment
Do we let Penguin get guiltied? no. Do we let the cop get a result? even though it's probably on PL who isn't getting lynched anyway. Locked to a set of actions.
It's possible that some other scum faction made terrible night actions and risked getting watched to Schadd for no reason (unless they themselves have the watcher) but 2 scum PRs are already locked.

I am pretty close to positive Giga is town and won't be voting there. Penguin needs to die.

[Titus]

It doesn't take competence it just takes a simple risk assessment
Do we let Penguin get guiltied? no. Do we let the cop get a result? even though it's probably on PL who isn't getting lynched anyway. Locked to a set of actions.
It's possible that some other scum faction made terrible night actions and risked getting watched to Schadd for no reason (unless they themselves have the watcher) but 2 scum PRs are already locked.

I am pretty close to positive Giga is town and won't be voting there. Penguin needs to die.

And if Penguin is town, the night actions are equally simple.

[Prince Lyon]

You're forgetting the part where the night actions involve killing the cop without being able to roleblock the suspected watcher.

[Titus]

You're forgetting the part where the night actions involve killing the cop without being able to roleblock the suspected watcher.

I wasn't rbed anyway and no one knew who I was tracking. Both plans involve not blocking the tracker.

[Prince Lyon]

No.
Watcher. Not tracker.

[Prince Lyon]

Also you were basically leashed onto Penguin anyway so your night action was predicted.

[davesaz]

Wait, you weren't rbed?

[Prince Lyon]

No one was roleblocked.
Okay we're going to play a game here. Everyone in their next post is either going to make a detailed case for why they voted Spade and not Penguin and why they're still not voting Penguin or they vote Penguin.

[PenguinPower]

I was roleblocked - dave already knew that.

[davesaz]

I'm on a meeting lol.

[davesaz]

@Lyon I have other things to discuss, as I previously pointed out the whole Penguin / Titus thing revealed absolutely nothing.

[Prince Lyon]

Davesaz I am not really concerned with what you have to discuss. Penguin is getting lynched today. You could be cop with a guilty and I'd still lynch PP today.

[PenguinPower]

You should probably hush, and let the non-tunnely people talk.

[davesaz]

You should probably hush, and let the non-tunnely people talk.

How about you tell us who your scumreads are.

[Prince Lyon]

Dave. You aren't getting nightkilled and let's keep it it that way. If you think nancy is scum then PP is the most obvious choice of partner in the game. Vote them.

[PenguinPower]

You should probably hush, and let the non-tunnely people talk.

How about you tell us who your scumreads are.

I will. I'm still waiting on something though.

[PenguinPower]

Dave. You aren't getting nightkilled and let's keep it it that way. If you think nancy is scum then PP is the most obvious choice of partner in the game. Vote them.

Vote y because if x is scum then why is scum before x confirmed scum?

Great logic there, bud.

If you think nancy is scum, and PP is the most obvious choice of partner, than vote nancy. If nancy is scum, lynch PP.

[Prince Lyon]

We lynch the roleblocker today, we get to leash KTS's slot and autolynch him if it doesn't go off as intended and get a free mislynch from it.
If we lynch someone who is NOT the roleblocker today then Town!KTS will just get roleblocked either way and Scum!KTS gets to roleblock Titus if he's leashed onto town or do nothing if not.

If you think nancy is scum, and PP is the most obvious choice of partner, than vote nancy. If nancy is scum, lynch PP.

Because you're the roleblocker and you need dead.
I am going to recommend leashing KTS onto Cloud because regardless of alignment quickhammering a townread to defend the roleblocker is policy vig worthy and I'm starting to think he's scum.

[PenguinPower]

Because you're the roleblocker and you need dead.

You keep saying this. Curious - I flip Town Neighborizer, what does that do to your reads?

[Prince Lyon]

I don't see a way for there to be 3 scum in a universe where you're not scum.

Unless it's like KTS/nancy/like Dunnstral? Or Titus would have to be scum but I doubt that.

[davesaz]

I'm thinking PenguinPower is scum independent of the mechanics, just look at that iso with no scumreads other than the already flipped town. I keep lurking players as NAI to a degree but I don't see it as still being viable for town to be in this position. I do wish it had jumped out at me before though... Just aiming to not hurry because it would be good to figure out who the partners are.

The whole <nancy or giga> pairing was about scum tending to pick a low, medium, high spread of lottery numbers in order to maximize their PR chances and they're the only living people with high numbers. I don't see giga scum in that pair so I want to find out who nancy would fit with as partners. Any of the 1's is a potential partner in the low slot, leaving the pool too large and too many question marks. If some of the 1's can be ruled out as potential nancy partners then we can POE it down a bit. Then flip Penguin. To that end I need reasons for everyone's nancy reads.

[CloudKicker]

Penguin is actually scum