[Game Over] Newbie 1784 - Escape Room

[TesXX]

@Srceenplay what do you think of the BP claim strategy?

[nancy]

How is that question relevant to this game?

RQS is "Random Questioning Stage", where you ask players a bunch of meaningless questions, it used to be the thing before it was replaced by RVS because RQS was found to inherently favor scum.

[Srceenplay]

@Srceenplay what do you think of the BP claim strategy?

I don't like giving scum anymore information than we have to.
They start they game with more than us to begin with.

[WhyMafia]

WhyMafia did your partner give you any pointers before the game started?

Not applicable bc I am not scum

Although I fail to see how you are giving me a scum lean

[Srceenplay]

How is that question relevant to this game?

RQS is "Random Questioning Stage", where you ask players a bunch of meaningless questions, it used to be the thing before it was replaced by RVS because RQS was found to inherently favor scum.

Because

[WhyMafia]

How is that question relevant to this game?

RQS is "Random Questioning Stage", where you ask players a bunch of meaningless questions, it used to be the thing before it was replaced by RVS because RQS was found to inherently favor scum.

Because

Why are you so unhelpful xd

[Srceenplay]

@WhyMafia
I am helping.
What do you think about Loopdan?

[TesXX]

@nancy how does claiming BP or not BP f up RVS?

[WhyMafia]

@WhyMafia
I am helping.
What do you think about Loopdan?

First post was legit, kinda confused why he changed his vote in his next post.

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Chronicle

Seems to be bandwagoning mhmhmhmhm


Third ever mad game, first on this site

You vote chronicle for bandwagoning.
Loopdan switches to the same vote and he doesn't get a mention.

[nancy]

@nancy how does claiming BP or not BP f up RVS?

Look at this thread for evidence. RVS has been stilted by the philosophical differences in your insistence that people claim and my refusal to claim. Discussing theory at this point is not at all conducive to scumhunting, which is what we should be doing and which is what RVS is designed to facilitate.

[TesXX]

@nancy how does claiming BP or not BP f up RVS?

Look at this thread for evidence. RVS has been stilted by the philosophical differences in your insistence that people claim and my refusal to claim. Discussing theory at this point is not at all conducive to scumhunting, which is what we should be doing and which is what RVS is designed to facilitate.

Couldn't we claim stuff, and then post all of the random voting after(if it's even needed at that point)?

[Pine]

Greetings, friends! I will be your IC (Inexperienced Challenged) player this game. My name is Pine, and it is my job to do my best to help teach you how this game is played on mafiascum.net. I will attempt to do so with the companionable assistance of our SEs (Semi-Experienced players), XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

The very first thing you should know is that the way the game is played here is quite a bit different than it is played in most other places. Mafiascum's methodology relies on a great deal of theorycraft and deduction, supported by a broad and varied set of established patterns and assumptions, collectively referred to as "site meta," which gradually shifts and adapts to changing expectations of behavior.

The first stage of a mafiascum.net game is the Random Voting Stage, a.k.a. RVS. In this stage, we vote for one another without conviction, usually for humorous or sarcastic reasons. The point here is for Town to try and determine who is genuine, and who is nervous and forced. The theory, of course, is that the scum players are not actually in the dark, and must fabricate a reason for an RVS vote. This gives us an effective icebreaker, and a means to begin play.

A warning - quickly running a player up to the point of actual lynch during RVS is generally frowned upon, as Town has very little information at this point. Lynching a player at this stage is generally regarded as cause for great suspicion, particularly directed at the person who "hammers," or casts the final vote to seal someone's fate. That said, do not withhold your vote if you feel strongly or have conviction that it is in the right place, just be prepared to explain yourself.

A few additional resources:

• Beginners Guide to Mafia and Various Mafia Role Descriptions, a Flash presentation by Mike "Burnfire" Grevengoed.
  HIGHLY RECOMMENDED READING!
  
  Game Theory (See also: Theory in the wiki).
  HIGHLY RECOMMENDED READING!
  
  General Queue Information
  Forum Rules and Guidelines

Be aware that these guides are, generally, of limited use. They should be regarded as a starting point, a foundation upon which your understanding of site meta can begin. That is also the purpose of these Newbie games, after all. The SEs and I will do our best to fill in the human element, based on our experience with this site in general. When you feel you are ready, I encourage you to sign up for standard games, particularly in the Open, Micro, or Mini Normal subforums. Open games have an announced setup. Micro games have nine or fewer players, and may overlap with the Open style. Mini Normal games have between 10 and 13 players (almost always 13), and conform to a highly structured set of Normal rules and guidelines as to what roles and modes are permitted. I do not recommend in engaging in Theme or Large games until you have completed one of these simpler games, due to the greater complexity in Theme and Large games.

Good luck!

[nancy]

Hi Pine

[TesXX]

@Pine, what's your opinion on the BP strategy?

[Pine]

It bears making a second post to address how I function as an IC. While I am still a player, and will be playing to win, anything you see in one of these boxes is said from my perspective as an IC. As such, I will be attempting complete impartiality and honesty when I use the area tag. I

will not

use this tag to manipulate or deceive you, as that would construe a gross violation of my responsibility as a teacher and mentor. I will instead be using it to discuss game theory, use of the mafiascum website, various accepted tactics, and site meta. Anything you see in this box you can trust comes from the person behind the player, rather than a possible opponent. My goal is to see this site thrive and grow, and educated newbies are critical to that goal.

[nancy]

Pine are you scums?

[Pine]

The BP-claiming strategy came out of a discussion we had in the dead thread for Newbie 1772, I think, which I will look up later. While I was part of the discussion that founded the idea, I have not fully groked the implications and will need to review it.

However, as

I am not myself a Bulletproof Townie

, I have no qualms about confirming it.

VOTE: nancy

Hi nancy!

PEdit: Only if you are bae.

[nancy]

Oh you're sooooooooo innocent aaaaaren't you!!!!

VOTE: Pine

Dieee!!!!

(Also yes I am let's bus each other for that sweet cred.)

[TesXX]

POSSIBLE BPS

(updated)

This means they can't be BP

TesXX

bjc0303

Chronicle

StealthyNoodle
nancy

WhyMafia

Loopdan

Srceenplay

Pine

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[Pine]

I decided to look this up now instead of later. While we had been discussing setup throughout the thread, this linked post is where I bring up the subject of a Day 1 BP claim strategy. The entire thread is actually a good read, and somewhat short at 7 pages, as nancy and I discuss a good deal of general and specific strategies.

(I agree, nanhai, we should def bus each other)

"Bussing" is shorthand for "Throwing someone under the bus," a common strategy adopted by scumteams. The premise is that if you bus your partner by trying to get them lynched, then you either put enough distance between you so that no one suspects you are a team, or if you successfully lynch your buddy, you are regarded as a least-likely suspect. As you may imagine, the popularity of this strategy leads to it backfiring quite often, and I am on the record in many, many places as being vocally anti-bussing. If you'd like to discuss this further, I can get into the theory of it.

[Pine]

nancy and I are, of course, joking. Not only would I genuinely not want to bus her, but such joking around between friends is fairly common in the RVS stage. While I am by no means certain of her alignment, this exchange actually makes me think she's

probably

Town

I'll catch up with the thread and look at early reads after making dinner. Spaghetti and from-scratch meatballs!

[nancy]

Omg yum.

And yes Senpine I am also unequivocally anti-bus.

[nancy]

But I would always make a special exception for you <3

[TesXX]

I decided to look this up now instead of later. While we had been discussing setup throughout the thread, this linked post is where I bring up the subject of a Day 1 BP claim strategy. The entire thread is actually a good read, and somewhat short at 7 pages, as nancy and I discuss a good deal of general and specific strategies.

Alright, currently reading the thread.