[Game Over] Newbie 1784 - Escape Room

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Chronicle

Seems to be bandwagoning mhmhmhmhm


Third ever mad game, first on this site

[WhyMafia]

Oh and not bp

[WhyMafia]

I'm scum this game Pine.

Confirmed scum
VOTE: Nancy

[WhyMafia]

I'm scum this game Pine.

Confirmed scum
VOTE: Nancy

OMGUS

VOTE: WhyMafia

That means oh my god you suck right?

How is that OMGUS?
I thought that applied to if someone else votes you

[WhyMafia]

Yep, OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck.

It's basically voting someone simply because they voted you. You can also for instance OMGUS scumread someone, which is scumreading someone simply because they scumread you. So I OMGUS voted you.

Oh I am stupid. I thought you were calling me out for OMGUS

@Nancy why should I trust you and remove my vote on you

[WhyMafia]

Pfft, you're not stupid.

You should trust me because I'm Town, obviously.

And even if I'm scum, I promise I'll pocket you and keep you alive until LyLo.

Win win.

I think you're trying to manipulate me mhmhmhm

[WhyMafia]

Even if I were, I assure you I'd be doing it with your best interests at heart. I already claimed scum, so when we get to LyLo together you have no reason not to lynch me. (:

If you're doing it in my best interests, why don't we just lynch you today

[WhyMafia]

WhyMafia did your partner give you any pointers before the game started?

Not applicable bc I am not scum

Although I fail to see how you are giving me a scum lean

[WhyMafia]

How is that question relevant to this game?

RQS is "Random Questioning Stage", where you ask players a bunch of meaningless questions, it used to be the thing before it was replaced by RVS because RQS was found to inherently favor scum.

Because

Why are you so unhelpful xd

[WhyMafia]

@WhyMafia
I am helping.
What do you think about Loopdan?

First post was legit, kinda confused why he changed his vote in his next post.

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Chronicle

Seems to be bandwagoning mhmhmhmhm


Third ever mad game, first on this site

You vote chronicle for bandwagoning.
Loopdan switches to the same vote and he doesn't get a mention.

Fair enough. It was a mistake, I didn't see it. I don't think I would be that obvious to reveal a potential scum buddy, but you don't know me so believe what you want

[WhyMafia]

@WhyMafia
I am helping.
What do you think about Loopdan?

First post was legit, kinda confused why he changed his vote in his next post.

So you overlooked him by mistake.
His vote change is confusing to you.
His vote on stealthynoodle by your reasoning deserves him being voted.

Help me vote him then.
You can ask him questions to try and get unconfused.

VOTE: Loopdan

Yea he's viable to look into.
Loopdan, explain your vote
VOTE: Loopdan

[WhyMafia]

Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon!!

Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon!!

No problem!
It's not like I'm changing my vote reason!
UNVOTE: All
@Chronicle
@Loopdan
explain your votes from earlier

[WhyMafia]

Why are we debating his alignment when he's not even lurking - he hasn't logged on since the game started. This is wasting time to find scum, unless we're using this to gauge reactions.


But idk I'm bad at mafia

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Whymafia

I am in school rn - give me a few hours

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Whymafia

I am in school rn - give me a few hours

I don't know? When you say a few hours and it's been almost eight hours, is that considered lurking?

I'm sorry but I am in the school pit band and we are having a show this weekend so I had a long rehearsal. Normal school ended five hours and a half ago, then I had rehearsal for another three and a half hours. I just finished most of my hw as well so I have a bit of time rn. I love how you're calling me out for lurking yet there are more players who have posted less than me. Are you trying to get an easy bandwagon started on me lol. Anyway, I'll post a reads list

Note - idk what a standard reads list looks like on ms. I'm sorry of it's horrible, I'm a tad overwhelmed rn

[WhyMafia]

Reads list
Tes - Not certain, apart from suggesting Bp strat, he hasn't done much. Could be a gamble as he looks Town by suggesting it, but it's becoming fairly common (from what I can tell by what others said), so if he was scum, he might as well look as best as possible.
Chronicle - Neutral. Similar to Tes he defended the bp strat quite vigorously as well as the inactive. He hasn't really done anything that screams "TOWN", but seems to be trying to help find scum (pressuring others into participating with the strat that usually finds scum).
Loop - Town, didn't work against the strat and also helped pressure others. This is more of a vibe I guess
Nancy - Scum lean. Starts out with going out for an aggressive counter to the strat. Proceeds to say it won't help new players learn. However most of the new players seem to not mind using this strategy. If there's a cop, look into her please.
Pine - Not enough posts to judge with, but made a valid point
Screenplay - Neutral, slightly miffed he's pushing me, but it's my fault for missing loopdens post. I want his reads before saying anything conclusive. Idk how it's considered lurking, we all have outside lives. If I wanted to lurk, I wouldn't have replied "a few hours" in the first place. Seems to be aggressive against the new player, some of it deserved, but I don't trust him fully. Maybe I'm just biased.
Stealthy - Scum lean - I'm having trouble with quotes, so I'll refer to post numbers
79/89 - Says that he agrees with Nancy that the strat isn't good for new players, but proceeds to say by not supporting it, she has a higher possibility of scum. It seems to me that she's braver than you and posted her opinion while you just want to look good to town. You're a hypocrite. Stating that you agree with what she said, but those words make her a scum read to you makes no sense. Even tho she didn't cooperate, you should've stuck to what you believed in lol. While I don't necessarily consider her as pro town, you make her seem so much better. You could be bussing her idk.
94 - Again, you agree with her ... what makes you vs her different? That she took a more direct stance? If the majority of the players said that this strat was bad and she was the only who argued it was good, I think you wouldn't have gone along with this strategy xd

I hope what I just said made sense, it probably didn't knowing me. Anyways, go analyze this now

[WhyMafia]

Thanks for the reads list advice Nancy. Much appreciated
It's just a combination of irl stuff + the fact that all of you seem to know what you're doing xd. I am able to understand what's going on, but I'm just not really used to this. If that makes any sense. Like I've learned a lot from just a couple of days so far, and it's just a lot to process.

Anyway, @srceenplay can you give me concrete reasons why you think I'm scum
@chronicle it was not a good idea to vote me and just leave me hanging. You just simply voted me and left. Do you have anything to add?

[WhyMafia]

@nancy


Why are you so sure pine is town? He made only a few posts and they were simply to defend you. I'm just interested in hearing your reasoning

[WhyMafia]

Your poor me I'm bad AtE is scumy. You trying to find made up reason as evidence to vote someone is scumy.

A) Who are you talking in regards to that post
B) what does "your poor me I'm bad AtE is scummy mean

Is this some mafiascum lingo

[WhyMafia]

Oh ok

I was unaware mentioning emotions was scummy. I'll keep that in mind. So of all the people who posted you think I'm scummy bc I was referring to a comment made about my skill?

[WhyMafia]

I personally think pine is worth looking into -
He begins by heavily defending Nancy and proceeds to leave

In addition, I would have to say Nancy has a higher chance of scum than stealthy atm. She repeatedly appeals to my emotions, making me want to trust her. My other reasoning in on my reads list from page 8. I don't feel like repeating all of it. Just go check. That being said, I do appreciate what you said Nancy xd.

[WhyMafia]

*Waves*
Anyone alive?

[WhyMafia]

*Waves*
Anyone alive?

Hello hello.

Well, Pine just posted in two other threads. Either he's forgotten about this thread, or he's simply not responding on purpose.

Hopefully he's writing a juicy post right now. There are just hours left till prod.

Inb4 he replies with a one word answer

[WhyMafia]

N

ewbie

G

ame

#

1784

Notice

Pine

has been prodded.
I'm still ill so I'm really sorry for not updating votecount flavour yet.

Hope you feel better soon

[WhyMafia]

I personally think pine is worth looking into -
He begins by heavily defending Nancy and proceeds to leave

In addition, I would have to say Nancy has a higher chance of scum than stealthy atm. She repeatedly appeals to my emotions, making me want to trust her. My other reasoning in on my reads list from page 8. I don't feel like repeating all of it. Just go check. That being said, I do appreciate what you said Nancy xd.

What even? Have you even thought to yourself why AtE is scummy before you said this?

Wtf does AtE even mean

[WhyMafia]

Why are you so sure pine is town? He made only a few posts and they were simply to defend you. I'm just interested in hearing your reasoning

Pine and I are friends, and I like to think I can get a pretty good read on him early on. Combination of gut and recognizing patterns.

But he only made nine posts. What patterns did you see in his posts that made you TR him?

He made four game related posts. I also fail to see how one could tell if it's a town read after so little info, even if prior friends

[WhyMafia]

B) what does "your poor me I'm bad AtE is scummy mean

AtE = Appeal to Emotions.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... reviations

Feel free to use the above link as a reference if you encounter an abbreviation you don't know. If you haven't already read the wiki pages Pine linked to in his IC post, I'd highly recommend that, when you feel you can process it.

Thanks for the reads list advice Nancy. Much appreciated
It's just a combination of irl stuff + the fact that all of you seem to know what you're doing xd. I am able to understand what's going on, but I'm just not really used to this. If that makes any sense. Like I've learned a lot from just a couple of days so far, and it's just a lot to process.

You're welcome. Don't worry, I promise that this is a case of everyone else seeming to know what they are doing without really having any clue. You can't see into the doubts and confusion in other people's minds, but it's always there. That said, I definitely have a better idea of what's going on that you! So if you need help processing anything, let me know!

Why are you so sure pine is town? He made only a few posts and they were simply to defend you. I'm just interested in hearing your reasoning

Pine and I are friends, and I like to think I can get a pretty good read on him early on. Combination of gut and recognizing patterns.

Thanks

[WhyMafia]

I was unaware mentioning emotions was scummy.

Not really, but your statement does come through as fishing for compassion. Something a wolf in sheep's clothing could do.

Fair enough. I won't really talk about my issues till endgame

@chronicle it was not a good idea to vote me and just leave me hanging. You just simply voted me and left. Do you have anything to add?

I'm going to be doing naked votes often, I'm beginning to like them.

What would be the point of naked votes lol.

[WhyMafia]

Before that, am I the only one who'd prefer that nancy didn't put teaching above playing to her win-con? Is there anyone who prefers that she's playing this way?

No, I would have preferred she just went along with it and save us the trouble, but I do not think that alone tells anything of her alignment.

I think it's weird bc she didn't want to use it bc of teaching noobs but I fail to see any major noobs here except for me

[WhyMafia]

Not tracker

I'm kind of confused why there is a push for the lynch of pine. While it's bad to lose an active town, chances are they are vanilla townie and we can base future Lynchs off the reactions/comments of others. A pine lynch without him defending himself could cause us to lose an important town role. Not only that, we gain far less info from a pine lynch

[WhyMafia]

Tes your profile pic gives me nightmares

[WhyMafia]

@srceenplay
If you could protect one person who would it be
If you could kill someone who would it be (daykill)

[WhyMafia]

Tes your profile pic gives me nightmares

It's just L eating a banana.

If you say so

[WhyMafia]

@srceenplay
If you could protect one person who would it be
If you could kill someone who would it be (daykill)

Protect myself
Kill pine.

That's susp in my eyes. Of all the people to kill, you choose Pine? So you feel he would provide js with the most info? L m a o
I personally don't find anything suspicious with loop apart from his advocacy with a pine lynch. I'm confused why people repeatedly ask me about him. Can someone explain to me what he did?

I feel like everyone who was in favor of a Pine lynch is pulling back after realizing that it went looking good. Why take a risk to kill an inactive who could be a power role when we could actively look for someone who is scum. There are other potential scum ..

[WhyMafia]

I have a slight suspicion on him, but nothing worth killing him over atm. His only posts of substance were defending Nancy early game. I would hope to think that he's too experienced to be the scum that lurks. Heck, he almost got replaced. There's no point in killing someone if we know little about them. We have a 7/9 chance of killing town after all

[WhyMafia]

I have been. I've talked about your reasoning multiple times and I've asked you a question about your Pine TR. I'm wondering why you think Noodle is objectively obvscum. I'm also going to make a post about Srceenplay. It's a stretch to say I haven't been pushing the gamestate forwards at all. I haven't developed as many reads as some people because, it's not always this way but I generally don't develop reads early.

Pushing the gamestate is a little different and, broadly speaking, involves developing your reads while helping others develop their reads and pushing wagons accordingly. Asking questions alone isn't pushing the gamestate because the trajectory of the interaction doesn't lead to the gamestate moving forward, it only leads to a response. Something has to be done with the response, and the question itself also has to be useful (chiefly for sorting alignment). Asking me about my Pine TR, for instance, hasn't led anywhere, therefore hasn't pushed the gamestate. Slight difference in the way that I pushed you earlier for instance, because by arguing that you were scum I created content for the game to orient itself around and by doing so pushed the gamestate forward.

Are you saying you don't get defensive as scum and then ask curiously how he can see you being defensive?
Just want to make sure I'm reading it right.

Yes and no, I'm curious as to what he thinks defensive scum looks like.

If you had to day kill someone right now, who would it be?
If you had a doctor protection, who would you protect (and you can't self heal)

[WhyMafia]

Hi all! Thank you mod for cutting me some slack, I've largely been absent from the site for several days due to real life issues. I'm catching up right now.

When you finish reading up, reads list please

VOTE: SrceenPlay
I just don't buy him. He advocated a Pine lynch for reasons that are absolute garbage + I am biased towards him XD

[WhyMafia]

If you had to day kill someone right now, who would it be?
If you had a doctor protection, who would you protect (and you can't self heal)

What's the purpose of this question?

I'll tell you after you respond

[WhyMafia]

Why are you biased?
Do you think being biased can Cloud your judgment?

Yeah
I might be subconsciously holding stuff against you.

@Stealthy
I would like if you answered the question I asked to Nancy as well

[WhyMafia]

I don't feel that this is relevant. Feel free to disagree though

[WhyMafia]

I don't feel that this is relevant.

that what is relevant?

I don't feel that this is relevant. Feel free to disagree though

If keeping your thoughts and understanding secret helps Town, sure why not. Usually town try's to be honest and straight forward as possible. To each their own.

I just feel like I'll be biased bc srceen generally makes me feel frustrated. I fail to see how knowing this helps town but ok

[WhyMafia]

If you had a doctor protection, who would you protect

I'd really, really like to hear your reasons for asking this.

I don't give my reasons to scum!!!!


In all seriousness, in case any of y'all flip scum, I doubt any of you would say that you would kill your scum buddy. The doc prot shows how much you think somebody is town.

I guess it was a bad plan tho :/

[WhyMafia]

^ Basically because if you think of that question from a scum!WM perspective, it maximizes info on where he might direct a NK. If we have a scumteam of 2 newbies, as it's looking like, then this kind of information is something scum!WM might be trying to gather in a kind of cutesey way.

But everyone has different reads on who is solid town? If everyone has different opinions, how would that help me?
Also, I used the question to at least try to scum hunt. I'm susp on screenplay (sorry for the autocorrect xd) for his answer to that question. He wanted to kill Pine of all people.

@Pine
I didn't intend for my questions to be like that, but I'll go with it!

I haven't played in too many games (this is my second to be precise), and I was just curious if after this game, someone experienced could pm or write in this thread some ways to look for scum. I'm just improving xd

[WhyMafia]

Meant to include this sorry VOTE: SrceenPlay
You tried to get Pine killed and now you seem very defensive over it. Your latest response (well I'm not voting him) seems to be whining. I feel as though you were hoping to put pressure on someone else, and quickly back off if it doesn't work out.
I'm not sure if I explained this right, if someone's confused just tell me

[WhyMafia]

Question - If I had asked "Who would you day kill right now" and forget about the protection would that have been a better question (this is for future games)

[WhyMafia]

Pine
Since you just read and caught up. Everything is fresh in your mind. Can we get a read list?

My reads were pretty plainly stated, but I can give you a TL;DR summary.

The Funky Middle

WhyMafia

I am honored

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Pine

Why vote Pine? He just got prodded.

It's easier to lynch someone when they are not around to defend themselves.

VOTE: Pine


Not tracker

@cog
What do you want to fight about?

Why do you want an easy lynch?

What made Pine compelling? Do you have any actual town reads?

1) I don't.

2) Pine couldn't defend himself.
3) still working on a list.

Srceenplay can you explain this?

Sure!
I said it's easier to lynch someone when they don't defend themselves.
When asked why I want an easy lynch, I said I don't.

My mind is mush
You pushed Pine bc it was easy to lynch but you didn't want an easy lynch? The hell

[WhyMafia]

Tes, who do you think are good lynch targets right now?
And who would you say are your solid town reads?

[WhyMafia]

Tes, who do you think are good lynch targets right now?
And who would you say are your solid town reads?

The town reads I'm still working on right now. My suspicions are nancy and Srceen right now.

Explain
I believe Nancy is still at L-2.
Vote her with me. Let's find out if she is on my team.

Why should he vote with you when he's already susp of you? It sounds to me that you're trying to deflect attention onto Nancy

[WhyMafia]

How long does an inactive take to get a prod out of curiosity?

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Srceenplay
Hammered!

um what
it takes 5 to hammer
He's at L-2

[WhyMafia]

@nancy
Lots have happened since you last gave any definite reads. Can you re-affirm who you believe is suspicious/town to you?

[WhyMafia]

Can't really find the motivation to look at recent posts, so I'll push that back a bit. For some reason I'm reading it but nothing is processing.

Missed this post. What do you think is scum indicative about being jumpy? Describe what scum being jumpy looks like to you, and why Town can't be jumpy? I don't agree with your characterization, btw, but I'm curious about what you're seeing in my posts.

But just to address this quickly, after getting some pressure your sudden big reaction seems out of nowhere(310, 314, 316 mainly). Read to me as being driven into a corner, because of how it contrasts to your play the rest of the day(which read as town: calm, responsive etc).

That, along with the whole wincon argument.

But I'm tired now, and honestly I don't like where my vote is right now. I only got off the WhyMafia wagon because it lacked support, and your wagon just sprung up + I wanted to see where the wincon argument went. Now with Srceenplay and his confusing mess of "I voted cuz he's not around to defend but don't want an easy lynch" and some other shit, I need to sit back and rethink my reads.

UNVOTE:

Srceen, WhyMafia and Tes are my preferred lynches as of now. Noodle and Cog are out of the question.

And I still need to make up my mind about Loop, Pine and nancy, though the first 2 lean town.

Also nancy/pine, still don't see Noodle being scum

Chronicle nobody joined your wagon of me because you gave a naked vote, and didn't elaborate.

Also
Regarding Stealthy's post, I was only defending Pine bc lynching someone based on someone who is inactive is ridiculous. I also defended the person Cog replaced (albeit less so bc I was busy when they were trying to lynch him)

[WhyMafia]

^Yep I don't really find it scummy. Your reason seems pretty valid. Still I don't see the "Pine

of all people

"-bit. Is it because he's IC?

Oh that was being dramatic sorry xd

[WhyMafia]

the fact that he makes a post(222), doesn't get a response within the next 3 hours, and proceeds to this:

*Waves*
Anyone alive?

makes me believe he's pushing the game state and want feedback for his ideas/statements. As scum, he would probably gain more from just waiting instead? And it wouldn't look suspicious either.

@CogMachine Are you copycatting WhyMafia, to make me believe you're townie as well?

I'm bored.

People should post so we can get to lynching mafia.

I have another few hours sitting at a starbucks. So no. I am legitimately bored.

I didn't realize whymafia had done something like that, and I don't think its indicative of alignment one way or another. Mafia get bored too I'm sure.

I'm more interested in what you think about my comments on Loopdan tbh. Or just your read on him.

So you weren't reading the thread? Stealthy had just noticed that on the same page, yet to fail to see it? FoS (I think I used it right)

[WhyMafia]

Code red - we have a weaboo alert

[WhyMafia]

I don't give my reasons to scum!!!!

This looks a bit forced.

^Yep I don't really find it scummy. Your reason seems pretty valid. Still I don't see the "Pine

of all people

"-bit. Is it because he's IC?

Oh that was being dramatic sorry xd

I dunt really get what being dramatic has to do with what you said. The "of all people" implied that there was a different person you would prefer to lynch, which was what I expected your response to be.

1st statement just gave me massive scum vibes off you lmao. I feel like you're trying to get a bandwagon started. Look at the whole post, not just the first post. You can clearly tell that's a mixture of sarcasm and banter


2nd statement - Kind of valid. I'm saying that out of exasperation. Like there are other players who are active, yet people were leading lynch on the inactive???

VOTE: TesXx
Die scum

[WhyMafia]

Forgive me, you will

Like yoda, talk I shall

Wondering you might be

Dared have I been

Issue, if it may be, stop

I shall

[WhyMafia]

I love how WhyMafia's beautiful Yoda-haiku just fetched him a vote.

That was not even close to a haiku smh

@screenplay
It was on the forum that introduced me to mafia
I heard that you guys here are all tryhards and I would be hammered if I spoke yoda-esque. I'm actually surprised nobody else voted me besides you.

[WhyMafia]

I love how WhyMafia's beautiful Yoda-haiku just fetched him a vote.

That was not even close to a haiku smh

@screenplay
It was on the forum that introduced me to mafia
I heard that you guys here are all tryhards and I would be hammered if I spoke yoda-esque. I'm actually surprised nobody else voted me besides you.

So why do you want to be hammered?

Can you post a link?

No bc it's in a private forum conversation
I'll link you the game i am in rn though

MiniDeathStar:

Link removed. Do *not* mention ongoing games, even if they take place on other mafia sites. This is a very serious offence that may get you site-banned from MafiaScum.

[WhyMafia]

WhyMafia and StealtyNoodle are the scum team! GG!

Yeah ...

No

What makes you think that?

[WhyMafia]

@WhyMafia
Discussing ongoing games is prohibited, even if they are on another site.

Erm
What?
All I ever said that I was playing on this site ...

VOTE: WhyMafia

I don't like his last five posts at all. Trying to look like casual town, but obviously cares how other's view his slot.

I am honesty confused at this point
Nobody was talking so I made a joke
Hammer me
When my flip is revealed, I think it will be pretty obvious who is scum

[WhyMafia]

@WhyMafia
Discussing ongoing games is prohibited, even if they are on another site.

I am unaware how I broke any rules
I mentioned that I play on another site
I also said that someone pm'ed me to talk like yoda for a bit on ms
How is that discussing the ongoing game?

If I did break any rules, I apologize, and won't complain if I get replaced out :/

MiniDeathStar:

It's okay. I've removed the link and I won't replace you for a first time offence, but *please* read the ongoing games policy very carefully and follow it at all times, including in private communication. Admins *do* ban for this.

[WhyMafia]

Gonna be on a plane today, so likely slow posting.

If we could not quickhammer that'd be great.

Wouldn't a quick hammer make someone seem extremely scummy?

[WhyMafia]

Not when you lynch scum

Quickhammer me
I dare you

Let's see who's right

[WhyMafia]

I wasn't talking about the game though ....


They told me mafiascum is an uptight community and wouldn't react well if I spoke like yoda. They told me to speak like yoda and see what happens. I didn't know mentioning that I played here was a crime.
Well rip

Srceen

If I was talking about this specific game, don't you think that I'd be playing a lot better as they could give me specific tips?

[WhyMafia]

Ah I've checked the thread that MiniDeathStar pointed out. Thanks for letting me know.


SrceenPlay sorry for making your guts sick xd

[WhyMafia]

Question - Is the ongoing game rules meant in regards that you cant post about any ongoing game? Or just ms games. I've never mentioned this specific game, but I understand the concerns that I'm cheating. Please accept my apologies

Anyway, can we move on? It's just leaving a bad taste in our mouths

[WhyMafia]

Not when you lynch scum

Quickhammer me
I dare you

Let's see who's right

^not a town post

It isn't?
Gee golly
Go ahead and lynch me if you think I'm not town.
It'll help narrow down to see who's scum. I can't be jester after all.

No scum would go out and ask to be lynched bc
A) It's gamethrowing
B) Even if it casts suspicion member town, a 1 v 7 isn't good odds for my hypothetical scum buddy

Oh no, I'm getting so defensive!!!

Maybe I'm just trying to win the game, something you really haven't been doing much (unless of course you're scum, which in that case you're doing just a tad better)

It's time to bare down and find scum.

[WhyMafia]

Chronicle
I haven't seen much from you either <3

Here are your charges
- Naked voting
- Hypocrisy (You get angry over the couple of votes on BJC bc they're wasted but did naked votes. On 250 you say that we should understand it from her point of view on why the setup strat is detrimental for new players. However, previous to that post, you repeatedly attack Nancy over not supporting this method and vigorously defend the usage of this strategy)
- Unoriginal Content :
While people may assume you are posting useful content, let's take a look of what you have been doing, shall we?
Post 10 = RVS
Post 85 = Parrots (yells at nancy for not claiming despite it a pro town strat)
Post 112 = Just explains vote (it was RVS)
Post 114 - 132 = Just questions Nancy on merits of not claiming (Which had been done at that point)
Post 133 = Question
Post 136 = Expresses displeasure at vote on inactive
Post 137 = Asks why Tes is scum again
Post 139 = Continues to defend bp strat
Post 148/149 = More questions, yay!
159-174 = Defends against lynching inactives (Gotta agree with this not gonna lie +1 for Chronicle .. FINALLY
*Note - I'm checking his posts ... if someone was already defending against lynching the inactive, this point is null)
177 - fluff

From here on, continues to try to push against lynch of BJC
181-182
this is interesting
says he dislikes the vote bc it seems pointless
185 - naked votes me ... WAT
191 - Explains lurking (+1 seems pretty interesting)
213 - When asked to explain his vote on me ... says his previous vote was no longer suspicious
214 - Proceeds to ask why I was rated likely town
HOLD UP - ".... When asked to explain a naked vote ... he proceeds to ask someone else why i would be town. Fishy Fishy"
216-217 - Continues to ask nancy about her reads (+1) and then questions me
Ok running out of time, I'll continue this tomorrow sorry
Just skimming through though, he never explained why Noodle wasn't scum at that point???

I'll continue to explain why Chronicle has a strong scum lean for me tomorrow (won't be around for 16 hours likely)

[WhyMafia]

260-326
Chronicle
Nancy made like 2 posts about wincon/interactions with stealthy in the time you took from saying she could be town to a solid, solid scum read. Your reasoning was the posts she made in between here, but never elaborated. Explain.

Ok I am off to bed now

[WhyMafia]

Pretty busy today/tomorrow
I'll have lots of time on Friday onwards (start of Spring Break)
I'll try elaborating now

[WhyMafia]

In case you're wondering, the "go ahead and lynch me" gambit probably doesn't work as well as you think it does.

Oh! I'm being perfectly honest. Lynching me gives info does it not? After all, what kind of scum would defend a bad member of town?

[WhyMafia]

April 5, 2017 - 4:15 PM (GMT)

Day 1

A poet at heart, WhyMafia decided to disperse the ongoing commotion by quickly piecing
together a witty poem. He turned his back for a moment, producing a notepad out of his inner
pocket and snatching the pencil he had tucked behind his ear. His eyes were beaming with
creativity and his tongue had crawled out of the side of his mouth in the typical I MUST JOT
THIS DOWN RIGHT NOW fashion. After scribbling for a few seconds, he turned around to face
his audience and proudly recited:

WhyMafia:

Forgive me, you will; Like Yoda, talk I shall; Wondering where you might be; Dared have
I been; Issue, if it may be, stop; I shall!

No words exist that could express the awkwardness of the silence that steeped the room in
that very moment.

Srceenplay:

I think we should lynch him.

StealthyNoodle:

Why? I kinda liked the haiku.

WhyMafia:

... that wasn't even a haiku.

Loopdan:

Your haiku was bad and you should feel bad.

Chronicle:

Yeah, only a mafia can come up with this abomination.

WhyMafia:

Come on, let's not..

Srceenplay:

I was this close to piercing my ears out, honest.

Loopdan:

It's so bad it's not even a haiku.

WhyMafia:

Man, I was told you guys were party poopers, but I never thought you'd..

Chronicle:

The literal worst.

Loopdan:

So bad.

And to WhyMafia's dismay, three votes immediately appeared next to his name, which he
knew were probably the closest equivalent to rotten tomatoes being thrown at him. Stealthy
Noodle tried to comfort him by reminding that great art usually became appreciated only
after its creator's demise, but for some reason WhyMafia wasn't too comforted.

WhyMafia (L-2)

: Srceenplay, Loopdan, Chronicle

StealthyNoodle (L-3)

: Pine, nancy

nancy (L-4)

: StealthyNoodle

Srceenplay (L-4)

: CogMachine

TesXX (L-4)

: WhyMafia

Not voting:

TesXX

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 actions:

April 9, 2017 - 3:00 PM (GMT)

You have (expired on 2017-04-09 15:00:00) to discuss and decide on a lynch.

Vote Count 1.07

Wow. You're good at writing flavors. Pretty much summed up my emotions regarding this whole fiasco

[WhyMafia]

Why this naked vote?

I don't think Noodle is scum anymore.

{Pine, Screenplay, WhyMafia}
{Chronicle, Loopdan}
{bjc}
{Noodle}
{Tes}

Is this your actual readlist? Because if it is, I'm curious about your WhyMafia read.

@chronicle it was not a good idea to vote me and just leave me hanging. You just simply voted me and left. Do you have anything to add?

I'm going to be doing naked votes often, I'm beginning to like them.

nancy talk to me about your Loopdan read. I'll look into that messy Tes interaction you two are having later/tmr.

WhyMafia, between nancy and Noodle, who do you think is more likely to be scum and why?

Noodle, who do you think could be scum?

@556

I believe I have explained why i thought Noodle was town before.

LIES
Unless I'm blind, Chronicle never explained his Noodle town read. Check his posts if you don't believe me
@Chronicle what post number did you give reasoning

[WhyMafia]

@chronicle it was not a good idea to vote me and just leave me hanging. You just simply voted me and left. Do you have anything to add?

I'm going to be doing naked votes often, I'm beginning to like them.

Your repetitive naked votes let's you lie low. You avoid any comeback, thus robbing us of your reaction.

I have never ran away from explaining my thoughts, if you ask I will deliver, unless there is something I want to try.

Naked votes are something that I'm trying, they won't last outside of helping me form early reads.

Or would you like expand on this vote, and the reason you didn't add anything when WhyMafia asked?

Didn't have anything to add. Just moving on to the next person to push and get a feel on

Reaction fishing .. what a common excuse

So .. what made you want to "reaction fish" me. After all, "I never run away from explaining my thoughts"

[WhyMafia]

@srceenplay
if noodle and I were scum buddies .. why the hell would i wait till then to post my poem???

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Chronicle

aight i gtg now

[WhyMafia]

Looks like the nancy wagon has dissipated.

I'm concerned that there's only one real wagon, thats usually a pointer that mafia aren't on the chopping block.

Help me pressure chronicle then

[WhyMafia]

I posted like 10 posts on why Chronicle is scummy xd

Check my most recent posts

[WhyMafia]

Well ignore this part, I see now that you already explained yourself a couple of times on that matter.

oh
I was blind?
Can you give me post numbers?

[WhyMafia]

Back from V/LA. Sorry I'm still pretty worn out (the reason I went on V/LA) so my contributions won't be up to where I'd like them to be but I'm around again. Just ftr this will likely be last solo game on MS, at least for a long time. Kind of fitting for Pine to be here for it, since he was IC in my newbie game when I first came to site.

I am honesty confused at this point
Nobody was talking so I made a joke
Hammer me
When my flip is revealed, I think it will be pretty obvious who is scum

This is a really terrible attitude if you're Town WM and doesn't help anybody. If you're scum then sure, play the apathy card and pretend not to care about getting lynched. It's transparently poor play by either alignment and if you actually cared about finding scum you wouldn't be asking to be lynched while sitting back doing nothing, you'd be hunting on your wagon. Please eradicate this from your playbook.

In case you're wondering, the "go ahead and lynch me" gambit probably doesn't work as well as you think it does.

Oh! I'm being perfectly honest. Lynching me gives info does it not? After all, what kind of scum would defend a bad member of town?

No. Just no. Info lynches are NEVER good. Info lynches are the plague. Do. Not. Ever. Lynch. For. Info. It is comprehensively BAD play and should be vehemently opposed by anyone with Town's best interests at heart. Town lynches scum. Period end of story. "Less expensive" lynches are also a big fat no. You should be focused on lynching scum, not lynching someone for information or because they rolled VT.

Oh
Well
Erm
This places me in a conomdrum. When you have time, can you place your opinion on me, chronicle, and screen?
Thanks for the tips though guys xd

[WhyMafia]

This places me in a conomdrum.

What conundrum are you referring to?


@src talk to me about 595 please. Why do you not care about being on a wagon with WM? Why are you wagoning Chronicle? You appear to be scumreading both WM and Chronicle, yet abandon the larger WM wagon to join WM in forming a new Chronicle wagon. Why? What are your reads?

VOTE: srceenplay

Agreed on that's gross
I'm actually incredulous that he's being that obvious

Can you explain your chronicle read?

[WhyMafia]

This places me in a conomdrum.

What conundrum are you referring to?


@src talk to me about 595 please. Why do you not care about being on a wagon with WM? Why are you wagoning Chronicle? You appear to be scumreading both WM and Chronicle, yet abandon the larger WM wagon to join WM in forming a new Chronicle wagon. Why? What are your reads?

VOTE: srceenplay

Bc I seem like I'm scum
I realize how bad this looks now, but I kinda used a tos strat :/

[WhyMafia]

The only way I can see Chronicle being scum is with Pine

Why?

Also still waiting on your explanation of your pine TR.

Because I'm TRing Chronicle and yet there are some pretty convincing associatives. As for Pine, I already explained my TR there as it stood before. As it turns out, I'm /still/ TRing Pine, because if you don't Townread the slot that produces 387 I don't know what to say to you. May I ask why you're pressing me for explanation when I have produced something like ten times as much content as you this game?

Bc I seem like I'm scum
I realize how bad this looks now, but I kinda used a tos strat :/

Er what do you mean you seem like you're scum? You mean you think you look objectively like scum? What strat are you referring to?

The one where I ask to be lynched. It's meant to show I am perfectly fine with being lynched (something scum wouldn't be on d1). I realized that tos is not equivalent to forum mafia :p

[WhyMafia]

@Chronicle what post number did you give reasoning

what the fuck I just brought it up in 567, but my brief Noodle read came way back in 407

what

the

fuck

This places me in a conomdrum.

What conundrum are you referring to?


@src talk to me about 595 please. Why do you not care about being on a wagon with WM? Why are you wagoning Chronicle? You appear to be scumreading both WM and Chronicle, yet abandon the larger WM wagon to join WM in forming a new Chronicle wagon. Why? What are your reads?

VOTE: srceenplay

Agreed on that's gross
I'm actually incredulous that he's being that obvious

Can you explain your chronicle read?

I have Cronicle as a null town. When the point about him not do to much came up it made me think why is he a null-town. If anything he should just be null. I thought maybe he is just trying to sneak by. So, let's see what happens.

As for voting the same as WM. Why not? I scum read him ya, but I don't know for sure. I was founding to give the benifit of the doubt and try to look someplace as not as obvious. Then he post like this and solidify the read again. Maybe he's like a Momo??

What's a momo

[WhyMafia]

@Chronicle what post number did you give reasoning

what the fuck I just brought it up in 567, but my brief Noodle read came way back in 407

what

the

fuck

Fair enough

You haven't changed your mind at all ever since that original post?

[WhyMafia]

@Chronicle what post number did you give reasoning

what the fuck I just brought it up in 567, but my brief Noodle read came way back in 407

what

the

fuck

Well ignore this part, I see now that you already explained yourself a couple of times on that matter.

oh
I was blind?
Can you give me post numbers?

yes, you are blind.

and also scum.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true fyi

[WhyMafia]

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true fyi

Like how you repeated multiple times that I never explained my Noodle read? Anything else you want to lie about?

False. I stated multiple times I might be missing something. You showed your posts, and I acknowledged it. You seem to be upset over very little

[WhyMafia]

I'd say I'm close to

certain

that WhyMafia is not scum.
I've been taking notes on him from every page, and I just can't see it.

He's been way too active, genuine, seemingly honest, butthurt and quarreling. He's been taking pretty wild risks, and he's been admitting mistakes and regrets. Regarding Chronicle, it seems like stubbornness/tunneling.
I admit there's been some shady situations(like the doc-prot. question and the "lynch-me"-part), but he's been open about discussing them and have admitted that he sees, in hindsight, that they make him suspicious. The whole trial-error-play is way too risky for scum.

If he was scum putting up this play, I'd be impressed.

Ugh, I'll do the big scumPine post later. This whole investigation-biz takes forever.

MY MASTER PLAN WORKED MWAHAHAHAHAHAH
shoot scum slip


In all seriousness, looking back, yeah I was tunneling Chronicle. Still find him a tad susp though

[WhyMafia]

Considering we have just over 2 and a half days left, we probably should decide on a lynch. I say we kill screen!
VOTE: Srceene

[WhyMafia]

Much to think, I have

Analyze, I must

Pivotal point, we have reached

Time, do not, have I

Post, tomorrow, I will

Goodbye for now, this is

[WhyMafia]

Tes, who do you think are good lynch targets right now?
And who would you say are your solid town reads?

The town reads I'm still working on right now. My suspicions are nancy and Srceen right now.

You said this 6 days ago. Post your reads list as your next post or die scum. I'm tired of you focusing only on setup. That only gets us so far, and makes you seem all towny. I want explanations as well.
VOTE: Tes

[WhyMafia]

Before Pine was being replaced I preferred a WhyMafia lynch because given nancy and pine's close relationship it's likely that if one of them is town they will accurately read the other at some point in the game. I've had success with forcing close players to read each other. But with pine being replaced that is lost.

@nancy-- Please explain your pine vote and then unvote.

Well now that Pine is replacing out I don't mind saying this anymore but basically I've had a secret scumread on Pine for most of the game and have been dancing with him to get a feel on whether that read is accurate or not. I bit on his push on Noodle and sold a few hard reads to see how he'd react. When he then came back and nearly mirrored my reads, that was a sign to me that (he thought) he had pocketed me. Since he posted his readslist, most of my focus has been on sorting his scumreads, especially Noodle. The way that Noodle has conducted his push on Pine has seemed fairly townie and essentially me sorting Noodle as Town sorts Pine as scum by PoE. But it's not just Noodle. I've sorted you and src as Town and Tes remains the only one I'm not really able to sort anywhere. The Tracker claim eliminates another slot that I was suspecting due to associatives with Pine, and leaves only WM and Chronicle with strong Pine associatives.

Here's the thing though, I can't allow myself to conf!bias on that PoE and assume that I am actually correct in my read on Pine, and if Noodle is scum (and he's been behaving like scum for most of the game) then that functionally confirms Pine as Town. So my vote was because I wanted to see who would join the wagon, which would help me feel better about where I had sorted people, and my unvote was because Noodle unvoted and I need to sort him more.

Can you explain the terminology a bit? What's poE. Also, what do you mean by "The Tracker claim eliminates another slot that I was suspecting due to associatives with Pine, and leaves only WM and Chronicle with strong Pine associative?"
Finally, what does this statement mean?
"I can't allow myself to conf!bias on that PoE "

[WhyMafia]

Can you explain the terminology a bit? What's poE. Also, what do you mean by "The Tracker claim eliminates another slot that I was suspecting due to associatives with Pine, and leaves only WM and Chronicle with strong Pine associative?"
Finally, what does this statement mean?
"I can't allow myself to conf!bias on that PoE "

Sure! Sorry. PoE stands for Process of Elimination. It basically involves ruling out different combinations of slots as this or that alignment together in order to refine your reads. For instance, PoE suggests that both Pine and I are extremely unlikely to be scum with anyone we push due to our anti-bus stance, so if you believe that either of us are scum you can safely eliminate possible pairings based on that. It also means that if we're scum, our scumpartner is unlikely to be below null in our reads, which means that if Pine is scum then one of {Chronicle, WM} are

probably

scum, with a lesser but still reasonable chance of {Loopdan, src} being the scumbud.

If you go through Pine's ISO you'll notice that his treatment of your slot is fairly odd, mostly due to the way he's postured around your content and at times seems to have gone out of his way to take favorable interpretations of your content. There are three basic ways to interpret this: he's scumbuds with you and wants to paint you in the best light possible, he's scum without you and wants to create false associatives to bury you if he flips, he's Town and he wants to be an encouraging IC. I'm currently leaning towards the third option.

"I can't allow myself to conf!bias on that PoE" means that if I focus on the PoE of possible scumbuds with scum!Pine, I'm in danger of getting caught up in a constructed narrative where Pine is scum, and ignore other alternatives. Conf!biasing is always liable to happen when you notice one or two details that seem strange in a certain way. Taking those little details and running off with them into an elaborate narrative is a surefire way to blind yourself to what is actually going on in the game and wrongly clear slots as Town that may actually be scum. So I take note of those associatives between Pine and other slots, but I am careful not to let myself get caught up in that narrative and continually check myself to pull myself out of it if I do start drifting that way. That doesn't mean that the PoE isn't valid, it just means that I have to not let it shape my reads and my approach to the game.

Ohhhhh. Thanks for clearing that up!

[WhyMafia]

(WM came closest with L-2?)

YUP

[WhyMafia]

WM how do you feel about your play so far and how do you feel about the gamestate right now?

My play - Full of mistakes, but I'm trying to put pressure/find scum

GameState - Erm. Is that just like what's going on in the game atm?

[WhyMafia]

<3

Btw BlackVoid, let me know if you need anything to help you get involved and caught up. You likely won't be around tomorrow so make the most of today please? If we can sync up on reads that would be great because at the moment Town is extremely apathetic and mostly lurking and I don't really have anyone to bounce ideas off before deadline.

HELLO
Catching up

[WhyMafia]

These last few pages are giving me a headache. I agree with everyone's points :-:

[WhyMafia]

Also I think the bolded part in 706 reveals a scum POV.

VOTE: nancy

Explain please

[WhyMafia]

Ok
We need a lynch target
My suspects
Tes - It appears that he's either lurking rn or just can't play atm. If he can't play, I feel kinda guilty. However, he promised a reads list ages ago. He is yet to give his solid opinion on most players. However, he continually pushed for us to use the setup. That would be ok, but that's literally his only contribution.
Loop - Can someone explain why he's town? I'm reading all his posts. All he's seem to done is push myself and Nancy. He doesn't seem to be explaining himself very well. Instead, he's questioning, and questioning. However, he has given some good insight, so I would prefer a Tes lynch

[WhyMafia]

See this is why the whole claiming shenanigans at the start of the game are totally useless. THESE interactions here are where the gold is. Seeing how people interact with your slot when your status is unknown. NOT gearing up the game to follow PRs, and being lazy about scumhunting as a result. Over-reliance on PRs is why Town meta is so weak on MS. Like how the fuck are we supposed to get anything half as useful from people interacting with conf!towns?

What do you think of Tes?

[WhyMafia]

It's horrible play by Town.

That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Or that it is scum motivated.

Nancy, how is Noodle scum if you have secretly been scumreading pine and pine was voting noodle and pine never buses?

I won't get lynched.

I feel certain I won't get lynched.

This is why I said you were behaving like caught scum, ftr Noodle. The only way you soft PR like this is if you are scum because if you were actually a PR you would be trying to get the wagon off you so that you didn't have to claim, not sitting back and refusing to engage with people at risk of getting run up to L-1.

I disagree. I've seen newer players soft claim at the first sniff of a wagon on them.

I'm here. Why do you need me to respond to the claim? We have a confirmed doc-tracker setup (unless there's a CC) and now we play follow the tracker.

I'll vote Why, Pine, or Nancy.

These are all valid points imo

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Drixx

I have townreads on Loopdan and TesXX as well. Unsure on the rest of the playerlist. Chronicle might be town but his play is radically different from a recent towngame that I was backup modding (Micro 695) so I'm not ready to slot him as town just yet.

Can you explain?

[WhyMafia]

The town reads on chronicle and tes.

[WhyMafia]

Oh everyone is online

Hello

Hello there!

[WhyMafia]

I would provide a reads list, but I feel like it would be re-hashing the statements that everyone else made already. I'm going to try to re-read to see if there is anything y'all missed though

[WhyMafia]

I personally think scum team includes Noodle. Not only for all the reasons you guys listed, but also for his interactions with me. He repeatedly hard defends me from every push against me. Not saying I don't appreciate it, but it's fishy. If he's scum, he would know I am town. However, the way things were going sometimes, I could be perceived as someone who might get lynched. That way, once I'm lynched, it seems like he's town because he repeatedly attempted to defend me. Adding on to that, if he gets lynched as scum, it'll create associations that Noodle seemed to defend me from a lynch. Therefore, I have a higher possibility of being his scum buddy. Hope his makes sense
Sorry if you're town Noodle :/
VOTE: StealthyNoodle

[WhyMafia]

Okay, I'll read everything and respond once I get home tonight. I dont know what softclaim is, and the wiki says nothing about it. Sorry for not participating all yesterday.

I think a soft claim is when you hint towards your role
Like
"I have a night action"
Is this correct @Experienced players

[WhyMafia]

I personally think scum team includes Noodle. Not only for all the reasons you guys listed, but also for his interactions with me. He repeatedly hard defends me from every push against me. Not saying I don't appreciate it, but it's fishy. If he's scum, he would know I am town. However, the way things were going sometimes, I could be perceived as someone who might get lynched. That way, once I'm lynched, it seems like he's town because he repeatedly attempted to defend me. Adding on to that, if he gets lynched as scum, it'll create associations that Noodle seemed to defend me from a lynch. Therefore, I have a higher possibility of being his scum buddy. Hope his makes sense
Sorry if you're town Noodle :/
VOTE: StealthyNoodle

Looking back - by my last sentence, I meant it'll probably lead to a mis-lynch in the future

[WhyMafia]

Thanks WM that content is super.

Do you have any opinions on other slots as well?

And yes, that's what softing is. Do you believe Noodle when he says that he doesn't know what a softclaim is, given the experience he's shown throughout the game so far?


Drixx I absolutely need more from you than what you've given me here. I'm happy for you to take whatever approach you want to mafia but I don't believe that you are incapable of having naunced reads on Day 1. I want to see you sort the other slots on the table and I want to see you show some motivation here to gamesolve because remaining quiet the way you are doesn't seem like something that town!you would feel comfortable doing as the most likely lynch at this point.

I think noodle is smarter than he is trying to show. By appearing as new, he could garner sympathy and use his new player status as excuse for poor plays (then again, inshouldnt be talking as I use the same excuse)
I also find srceen susp. He hasn't posted good content in a while, and his recent posts seem low quality. He's been bandwagoning and forgetting things. Judging by his early game content, he seems better than that. He could be attempting to lie low as of right now

[WhyMafia]

Meesa back
Meesa happy that meesa is seen as innocent

[WhyMafia]

This Town deserves to lose tbh.

Meesa sad now :/
Meesa tried

[WhyMafia]

I mentioned I wanted to look at WhyMafia and Screenplay more in-depth. I went through WhyMafia's ISO and I could see him being a potential Pine partner. At first, he questions townreads on Pine saying that all he did was defend nancy (implicitly creating a false Pine-nancy association). But once there are votes on Pine, he immediately switches to defending him in 299 preferring to lynch a more active player. He continues this line of reasoning in 463. But in 801, he's fine lynching TesXX for "lurking." That's pretty inconsistent. If Drixx flips scum, I'd look at WhyMafia as a partner. A few other points: I think this has been mentioned already but I didn't like him asking people who they would protect if they were the doc. He could easily have asked what their reads were. The "lynch me" post and subsequent reasoning didn't feel genuine either because he knew scum wouldn't ask to be lynched and is basically arguing that his "lynch me" request makes him town so it seems like that's why he did it.

@WhyMafia, can you please post your read on Pine/Drixx? You keep defending that slot but you haven't ever given a solid reason why you are townreading them.

Eh. I defended pine earlier in the game bc I thought it was unfair that we were lynching him on the basis that he wasn't active. It also wastes valuable time. On the other hand, I was pretty sure tes is able to remain active. I was pushing him bc all he seemed to do was talk about the setup and shy away when asked about something else. I feel Pine is scum though so yeah

[WhyMafia]

Humble WhyMafia is too cozy. It takes a

good actor

to keep up this kind of play.

noodle's flashback

Forgive me, you will

Like yoda, talk I shall

Meesa sad now :/
Meesa tried

...
wait a minute

Rely on emotions, yousa must
The answer, yousa find

[WhyMafia]

...
Any Chewie-sounds now and I'll fix my readlist for sure.

[WhyMafia]

Unless a sad C-3PO that is
of the hook for now you are

Happy, meesa am

[WhyMafia]

@Srceenplay talk to me about this sequence?

@WhyMafia
I am helping.
What do you think about Loopdan?

VOTE: Chronicle

Seems to be bandwagoning mhmhmhmhm


Third ever mad game, first on this site

You vote chronicle for bandwagoning.
Loopdan switches to the same vote and he doesn't get a mention.

@WhyMafia
I am helping.
What do you think about Loopdan?

First post was legit, kinda confused why he changed his vote in his next post.

So you overlooked him by mistake.
His vote change is confusing to you.
His vote on stealthynoodle by your reasoning deserves him being voted.

Help me vote him then.
You can ask him questions to try and get unconfused.

VOTE: Loopdan

Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon!!

Agreed. I still don't get what I did wrong there

[WhyMafia]

Town = Nancy, BlackVoid

Town Lean = Nobody :/

Unsure = Stealthy, Chronicle

Scum Lean = Loopdan, SrceenPlay, Tes

Scum = Drixx

[WhyMafia]

@Nancy
It's just that it's a gut read on Noodle. I can't provide any solid evidence, I just am finding him to be willing to contribute and is open.

Some of the other players in this game (Tes, Srceen) have contributed far less
Have we settled upon lynching Drixx?

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Drixx
One down

Your vote was already on Drixx ... why were you trying to hammer?

[WhyMafia]

If you have a townread on Loopdan, Noodle, I'd love to hear all of the stories about it.

Loopdan

provides theories of his own. I've rarely seen him take advantage of others' theories and reads. His scumreads and questions have mostly been directed at you, likely because he(as me and others) have seen you as scummy to the bone.

I disagree with this categorization so much it makes me sick, but OK.

Agreed.
@Stealthy
Please explain what unique theories Loopdan has brought XD

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: SrceenPlay
Die scum

[WhyMafia]

Oh ok

I was unaware mentioning emotions was scummy. I'll keep that in mind.

So of all the people who posted you think I'm scummy bc I was referring to a comment made about my skill?

This post stuck out to me on a re-read. Quoting this because it's important. The bolded part comes from a newb-mafia perspective. He's trying to figure out what is scummy and making sure to avoid doing them in the future.

Not necessarily. I could be trying to learn that so I don't get mis-lynched, hurting my team's win con

[WhyMafia]

{Chronicle} I still need to read more through this one's iso, I'll make an updated version of this list when I do.
{Loop} null I guess, I've been having trouble trying to get a read on him. I will include any opinions I've changed in the update. Somebody may have asked this but @Loop how come you wanted a Pine lynch in 662?
{Srceen} nullscum. I dislike the change if thought process from 841 to 900.
{StealthyNoodle} also nullscum. I'm not completely done looking through his slot, I haven't liked some of his cases against nancy and I don't like how he tried to pull the same thing as WhyMafia did in 701
{WhyMafia} scumlean. I'm not a fan of the "I'm fine with getting lynched therefore I am town" thing that he pulled and I disagree with his reasoning of why scum wouldn't do it. Unsure of why he had a switch in attitude toward Chronicle, unless I missed something.
{Drixx} also scumlean. Yeah, I looked back at Pine's wallpost(I may take another look at it eventually) and his wallpost did seem like he was actually

trying

to townread nancy, possibly because she'd be the easiest to not have to put effort into making fake reads for(since he could probably pull the meta crap). There's also what BV said in 951 about a possible Drixx + WM team which I agree with if WM were to flip red.

What about the rest of the players? Who's your preferred lynch?

[WhyMafia]

{Chronicle} I still need to read more through this one's iso, I'll make an updated version of this list when I do.
{Loop} null I guess, I've been having trouble trying to get a read on him. I will include any opinions I've changed in the update. Somebody may have asked this but @Loop how come you wanted a Pine lynch in 662?
{Srceen} nullscum. I dislike the change if thought process from 841 to 900.
{StealthyNoodle} also nullscum. I'm not completely done looking through his slot, I haven't liked some of his cases against nancy and I don't like how he tried to pull the same thing as WhyMafia did in 701
{WhyMafia} scumlean. I'm not a fan of the "I'm fine with getting lynched therefore I am town" thing that he pulled and I disagree with his reasoning of why scum wouldn't do it. Unsure of why he had a switch in attitude toward Chronicle, unless I missed something.
{Drixx} also scumlean. Yeah, I looked back at Pine's wallpost(I may take another look at it eventually) and his wallpost did seem like he was actually

trying

to townread nancy, possibly because she'd be the easiest to not have to put effort into making fake reads for(since he could probably pull the meta crap). There's also what BV said in 951 about a possible Drixx + WM team which I agree with if WM were to flip red.

btw
is this the best you can do?
It seems like you put hardly any effort into those reads. Literally everything you said is parroting what other's have said. I fail to see how thinking of these reasons were hard, considering everyone already posted these reasonings. VOTE: TesXX

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Drixx
One down

Your vote was already on Drixx ... why were you trying to hammer?

For future reference, you should not interfere when someone is running a gambit. When someone who is already voting a wagon pretends to hammer, it is usually to check for a reaction. You pointing it out immediately took away any chance of Srceenplay getting a reaction from me in a situation where I may have believed I was lynched.

Oops. My apologies.

[WhyMafia]

So, if someone whose alignment you don't know tells you that you are giving off scumtells, your response would be to make sure you don't do them in the future as opposed to question the motivations of the person arguing it?

No? I was just unaware of what I later found out to be a

common

scum tactic. Of course I don't want my faction to mis-lynch me and lose, so I would avoid using them.

[WhyMafia]

Since you are so focused on wincons, you do know that the town wincon isn't just to survive, right? If you just keep mislynching your fellow townies, you will lose the game. To win, you have to find scum. You can't just lynch anyone other than yourself. You have to lynch the right people. So, with that in mind, why are you more focused on not doing a specific scumtell rather than questioning srceenplay on whether emotional play is scummy in the first place? Why didn't you think he could be scum fabricating it as a reason to suspect you?

Because I did research and that was the general consensus. Appealing to emotion = bad

[WhyMafia]

I don't think it is

necessarily

scummy for a new player to be survivalistic but if you are going to refer me back to the town wincon, I'd expect you to actually be playing towards it.

Err
Mis-lynching hurts my win-con
Does it not?

[WhyMafia]

Now would you look at that. Produce content and get townread.

It's like, magic, or something.

Why is Tes suddenly your top town read?
What was so good from his reads list?

[WhyMafia]

Lmk when you're done with WM and want to digest, Void.

What does Lmk mean :/

[WhyMafia]

Since you are so focused on wincons, you do know that the town wincon isn't just to survive, right? If you just keep mislynching your fellow townies, you will lose the game. To win, you have to find scum. You can't just lynch anyone other than yourself. You have to lynch the right people. So, with that in mind, why are you more focused on not doing a specific scumtell rather than questioning srceenplay on whether emotional play is scummy in the first place? Why didn't you think he could be scum fabricating it as a reason to suspect you?

Because I did research and that was the general consensus. Appealing to emotion = bad

Yeah, I see StealthyNoodle linked you to the wiki page in 238. The posts that we are discussing happened before this. Your story is not adding up.

I knew the wiki before Stealthy linked it ..
After I was told that AtE was bad, I looked it up ...

[WhyMafia]

Since you are so focused on wincons, you do know that the town wincon isn't just to survive, right? If you just keep mislynching your fellow townies, you will lose the game. To win, you have to find scum. You can't just lynch anyone other than yourself. You have to lynch the right people. So, with that in mind, why are you more focused on not doing a specific scumtell rather than questioning srceenplay on whether emotional play is scummy in the first place? Why didn't you think he could be scum fabricating it as a reason to suspect you?

Because I did research and that was the general consensus. Appealing to emotion = bad

Yeah, I see StealthyNoodle linked you to the wiki page in 238. The posts that we are discussing happened before this. Your story is not adding up.

I didn't know what ate stood for, but i knew that using emotions was not a good way to play the game, if that's what you're trying to say

[WhyMafia]

I didn't know what ate stood for, but i knew that using emotions was not a good way to play the game, if that's what you're trying to say

If you knew that using emotions was not a good way to play the game, why would do it?

(Also, nancy I saw your post. I'm commenting as I catch up so it might be a couple of hours before I finish).

....
I looked it up after I was told by srceenplay??
I just didn't know what aTe stood for ...

[WhyMafia]

Now would you look at that. Produce content and get townread.

It's like, magic, or something.

Why is Tes suddenly your top town read?
What was so good from his reads list?

Srceenplay is my top TR. His readslist shows a genuine Town thought process that I don't think he'd really think to fake in this particular instance.

When in the world did screenplay post a reads list?

[WhyMafia]

How could you "look up" whether emotions are a good way to play the game. What page was it on? Can you link it for me?

You're asking for the website I used?
Well uh
I don't want to get in trouble.
I asked the maf community that introduced me to the game :/

[WhyMafia]

How could you "look up" whether emotions are a good way to play the game. What page was it on? Can you link it for me?

You're asking for the website I used?
Well uh
I don't want to get in trouble.
I asked the maf community that introduced me to the game :/

Linking it would bring you to an on-going game

[WhyMafia]

Okay. I see you were warned by the mod to not discuss ongoing games. That makes a lot more sense now. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell me anything about your alignment. Looks like I hit a dead end here.

Glad we cleared that up
Nancy, thoughts on the interaction?

[WhyMafia]

BTW
what does ISO stand for?

[WhyMafia]

Now would you look at that. Produce content and get townread.

It's like, magic, or something.

Why is Tes suddenly your top town read?
What was so good from his reads list?

Srceenplay is my top TR. His readslist shows a genuine Town thought process that I don't think he'd really think to fake in this particular instance.

UNVOTE:


Glad someone liked my read list. I thought it was shit.

pedit wait you posted a readslist Src?

??
and what's a pedit

[WhyMafia]

I also think that WM's stances are bad but they feel pretty natural in a way that I don't think this kind of newbie would have an easy time reproducing and I don't think they necessarily come from scum.

I don't know if I should feel happy or insulted

[WhyMafia]

Preview edit, when you're writing a post and click submit but there have been more recent posts in thread.

His readslist = Tes' readslist.

Can you explain why you think Tes' reads are genuine? To me it seems like a re-hash ..

[WhyMafia]

@WM I could, but I'd rather keep it private. I don't like people knowing how to get a townread from me. I'll talk about it at a later point.

Fair enough. Can you at least point out what's unique about his reads?

[WhyMafia]

Void I vastly prefer a Chronicle lynch today ftr.

Why do you prefer a Chronicle lynch? Isn't it pretty much agreed upon that Drixx/Pine is scummy? Do you believe that Chronicle has been more scummy than them?

[WhyMafia]

Well then, I'll put my vote back on and go to sleep.
VOTE: Drixx

Cya in the morning

[WhyMafia]

I think WM has been equally as opportunistic tbh

Mind explaining?

[WhyMafia]

I think WM has been equally as opportunistic tbh

Mind explaining?

Tomorrow.
Right now your townish.
Don't sidetrack with the short time left.

Mhmk so we should be talking about Loop/Chron/Drixx?

[WhyMafia]

I hardclaim hufflepuff.

I hardclaim Slytherin

[WhyMafia]

In case you're wondering why it's autowin btw, we have two Tracker clears by Day 3 plus, thanks to anti-bus^TM we know that Noodle and Tes have 0.00001% chance of being scum, meaning that the only slots left with any chance of being scum today are {Chronicle, Loopdan, Srceenplay, WhyMafia}. Even if we were to mislynch today, Town goes into Day 3 with 3 conf!towns and a scumpool of 2. So yes, autowin. But it's just WM so it doesn't really matter.

Huh wait what
I didn't sign up for this!!

Isn't it possible that the mafia didn't do a night kill solely to make the tracker result irrelevant?

[WhyMafia]

@Nancy
Are you certain that Pine would

never

bus?

[WhyMafia]

@Nancy
Are you certain that Pine would

never

bus?

[WhyMafia]

@Nancy
Are you certain that Pine would

never

bus?

Oops sorry bad connection

[WhyMafia]

I tracked WhyMafia to me.

Good game.

???
I don't have a night action. Even if I did, how would you still be alive? There is no doc after all

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: WhyMafia

It's game over so you can drop the act. I'm conf-town.

...
I don't know what kind of gambit you're playing, but I'm confused as hell

[WhyMafia]

So what kind of reactions are you gettting BlackVoid?

[WhyMafia]

UNVOTE:

Okay, I was gambiting. I actually tracked Chronicle who went nowhere.

Were you trying to make me claim scum. Well, it wouldn't work cause I'm not scum.

[WhyMafia]

Do you think scum!Loopdan or scum!Srceenplay hardbussed their partner on Day 1?

Cause I sure don't. Which means only Chronicle or WhyMafia could be scum.

No kill is gamethrowing unless you disbelieved the BP claim, which I highly highly doubt.

You tracked Chronicle. He went nowhere. WhyMafia is scum.

How is no kill gamethrowing if it's part of a gambit/necessary doe short term survival?
Also, how does no hard bussing lead to innocence of screenplay and loopdan? I get that if it was Pine, but can you explain how it clears loopdan or screenplay?

[WhyMafia]

Possibilities here:
Since doc haven't claimed(guaranteed win, so

please claim if you are

), it's not nancy.
Also it's most likely a shot at BP, or a nokill as Chron mentioned. If it's a nokill from Chron, that would return nothing for Tracker (right?). Why in the world would scum not attempt to kill tracker. Anyone else being killed would suggest scum!nancy, but as long as doc doesn't claim, she's out of the question.

yes but I'm dumb and decided to do no kills

oops scum slip

[WhyMafia]

You've been pinging my gut as scum all game and I think WM's reaction to the fake guilty was real.

Wdym my reaction was real. Real as in it was genuine?

[WhyMafia]

WM is the only slot here who would possibly derp enough to do a no kill gambit.

idk if I should feel happy or upset at that

[WhyMafia]

If it's a nokill from Chron, that would return nothing for Tracker (right?)

Correct

Why in the world would scum not attempt to kill tracker

Think about it.

[WhyMafia]

N

ewbie

G

ame

#

1784

Game Mechanics

Non-visiting mafia and town would return the same tracker result: "no visit".
This is different from "no result", which would happen if a tracker were roleblocked or dead.

Useful

[WhyMafia]

Let's not over think this. Whymafia is the vote. No reason at all for it not to be.

This statement seems extremely scummy to me. Combined with a bunch of his other posts, it's just fishy. Why would he want a quick lynch? If he was town, he would try to milk the most info possible out of d2 and then announce that I'm the most scummiest by far.
VOTE: SrceenPlay

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay

Are you proud of me? I did good observation!!!

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Tes
VOTE: Tes
VOTE: Tes
VOTE: Tes

Didn't know quad voter was a role

[WhyMafia]

I'm an octuple voter and you just got hammered and rekt m8.

damn

R.I.P

[WhyMafia]

Are you proud of me? I did good observation!!!

You done good kid. Makin me proud as a spicy punch.

Whoopie!

[WhyMafia]

I'm an octuple voter and you just got hammered and rekt m8.

VOTE: nancy
VOTE: nancy
VOTE: nancy
VOTE: nancy
VOTE: nancy
VOTE: nancy
VOTE: nancy
VOTE: nancy
VOTE: nancy

We already hammered!!!!!

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Srceenplay

I'm going to self hammer to kill the day and information gathering.

Can you post some relevant material for once?

[WhyMafia]

Let's not over think this. Whymafia is the vote. No reason at all for it not to be.

@SrceenPlay please explain this

[WhyMafia]

I was sheeping nancy

Ok
A) Why were you sheeping repeatedly throughout the game.
B) That doesn't explain why you didn't want to discuss my lynch

Let's not over think this. Whymafia is the vote. No reason at all for it not to be.

This post clearly shows that you want me dead asap. Explain.

[WhyMafia]

That was another gambit

YOU DON'T KNOW ME

inb4 he's some irl stalker

[WhyMafia]

I was sheeping nancy

Ok
A) Why were you sheeping repeatedly throughout the game.
B) That doesn't explain why you didn't want to discuss my lynch

Let's not over think this. Whymafia is the vote. No reason at all for it not to be.

This post clearly shows that you want me dead asap. Explain.

EXPLAIN MR. SRCEENPLAY

[WhyMafia]

April 11, 2017 - 11:30 AM (GMT)

Twilight 1

All of a sudden, a horrifying screech slashed through the air and twisted the brave adventurers'
faces into painful grimaces. Loopdan was chalking his vote down on the blackboard.

Loopdan:

(Eyeing everyone) What? Drixx be scumz.

BlackVoid:

Yeah, we heard that, thanks.

nancy:

Actually after that, I'm pretty sure he's not the scum.

Her words were promptly accompanied by a change of mood chord, courtesy of the wall speakers.

Drixx:

Let's be honest here chaps, if the poor sod I filled in for was actually a scumborg, why would I even bother
with this charade? You think I'm dying to stay here and listen to you squabble and banshee around with the chalk?
Like come on. This is basically proof by induction that I'm town.

Srceenplay:

(Lisping through toothbrush) Blah-blah-blah. Can the scum die already? I wanna go to bed.

nancy:

No, this Drixx wagon is disgusting and it makes me wanna lynch literally anybody else.

StealthyNoodle

You're a bad actress, nancy. I daresay you're probably even Drixx's scumbu--

nancy:

Oh come on, you cannot be this obtu--

StealthyNoodle:

For all we know, the doctor is still out there, biding his time, waiting for the opportunity to kick
your lying scummy arse down the pit without making himself obvious. Like this is just so apparent to me that I'm
appalled at this town's total inability to loremipsumdolorsitametconcectetur...

nancy's eyes were gleaming with fury as she wrenched the chalk off Loopdan's hands and carved
her name into the board as dramatically as she could in an attempt to drown out StealthyNoodle's
rant.

nancy:

FINE, IF YOU ZOMBIES WANT THAT HAMMER ON TOWN SO BADLY, YOU CAN HAVE IT!

Tribunal:

Did I just hear the h-word?

nancy:

ZOMBIE SHEEP AT THAT!

Drixx had strategically climbed on top of the desk, presumably trying to save himself from the
numerous trap doors that were stationed all over the floor. Unfortunately for him, a tile on the
ceiling directly above him yanked itself open and a robotic arm descended at high speed before
reeling the flailing Drixx up and disappearing into the void.

Tribunal:

Can you believe they try this every single game? Silly, right? And now, for the flip...

The lights around the room all went off as the single black LCD screen to the front broadcasted
Drixx's role in big, bold letters that bathed everything in sanguine glow.

Drixx

: BlackVoid, Loopdan, StealthyNoodle, Srceenplay, nancy

StealthyNoodle (L-4)

: Drixx

TesXX (L-4)

: WhyMafia

Not voting:

TesXX, Chronicle

Spoiler:

Drixx

the mafia goon (Day 1) has been lynched.

Deadline for Night 1 actions:

April 13, 2017 - 11:30 AM (GMT)

You have (expired on 2017-04-13 11:30:00) to submit or change your night actions.

Final Vote Count

Scum is not on the lynch. So it's down to whymafia chronicle Tess

You're assuming that all the players on Drixx wagon are anti-bussers

[WhyMafia]

It was quite obvious Drixx was going to be the d1 lynch after a certain point.

[WhyMafia]

Show me where

Frequency does not indicate that a strategy will never appear

[WhyMafia]

It was quite obvious Drixx was going to be the d1 lynch after a certain point.

Then why didn't you vote him?

Because I didn't see the point, I wasn't able to get on near the end of day, and I still considered Tes to be scummy at that point.

[WhyMafia]

I'm not saying it can't but saying it just doesn't happen.

Town claiming jester day 1 and selfvoting in RVS and telling people to vote him and make mafiascum great again normally didn't happen. But then it happened.

That was actually a thing? Wow

[WhyMafia]

I claim mafia deathproof godfather

[WhyMafia]

Yeaaaaaa I'm sorry Mini babe ♥ ♥

WhyMafia is actually scum though.

Really? Are you that confident in your read?

[WhyMafia]

Should I not be?

mhm
You shouldn't

[WhyMafia]

UNVOTE:

Okay, I was gambiting. I actually tracked Chronicle who went nowhere.

Were you trying to make me claim scum. Well, it wouldn't work cause I'm not scum.

Tell me what town!WhyMafia is thinking when he makes this post.

I was thinking how rude

[WhyMafia]

Wait.

Are you actually 14 years old?

Is that a problem :/

[WhyMafia]

Like it's completely irrelevant to this game I just find it extraordinary that a 14 year-old would be playing forum mafia.

Oh
Is it not common?
Err
plz don't be child predators ;-;

[WhyMafia]

Lol.

So
Mind telling me what's giving you certainty that I'm scum?

[WhyMafia]

You should go back over Pine associatives like I said though and see what you can find.

It's a goldmine. A treasure trove. A cornucopia of heavenly proportions. A feast for the eyes.

Hmm
Have you considered he may have planted those associatives for a potential mis-lynch? If you're also tasking into account my posts, I defended him bc I didn't feel it was right to lynch him earlier in the game bc he was inactive

[WhyMafia]

@Nancy
What makes you think that Screen may not be scum over me?

[WhyMafia]

You seem convinced that I'm scum over screen. So what makes him less scummy?

[WhyMafia]

I can't see the context so I don't know.


Whymafia, are you ok getting lynched understanding that if you are town you still win with us?

Yes.

[WhyMafia]

Srceenplay why are you voting to no lynch when there's a confirmed tracker?

What does that matter?

True, what does the

confirmed town's life matter

Like seriously everybody, let them kill the tracker

ok!
VOTE: BlackVoid





sike
UNVOTE: All

[WhyMafia]

Slight FOS on TesXX and StealthyNoodle for that. Replacements usually offer a fresh perspective of the game so it's scum-sided to not want one.

Can't replacements lead to more mis-lynches though? What if one player is a poor town town player, and the replacement says something that contradicts the originals posts.

[WhyMafia]

Rip dip potato chip

[WhyMafia]

WHICH I AM NOT TYVM

[WhyMafia]

I miss Loopdan...

Agreed

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: WhyMafia

How did I go from a town read to someone worth voting xd

[WhyMafia]

I'll have more thoughts after Alisae catches up and posts his reads. I'd like WhyMafia to actually posts thoughts on who he thinks is scum. Nothing he posted this day phase has looked like scumhunting.

My apologies, I have been busy irl

[WhyMafia]

WOW
YOU PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ME
THATS RUDE ;~;

I dislike all of you. Except maybe Pine.

He was my scum buddy

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: WhyMafia

How did I go from a town read to someone worth voting xd

You're right. Let me just
UNVOTE: WhyMafia
There

That's a good boy
Now
Let's discuss
Why did you vote me in the first place. To hurt my nonexistent feelings?