Mini Normal 1897: Chocolate Mafia - Game Over

[BlackVoid]

Vote Count 1.08

Transcend (3):

Darkshadow64540 (67), TwoFace (84), Boonskiies (285)

Something_Smart (3):

Eddie Cane (92), eagerSnake (235), Transcend (261)

rb (2):

aronagrundy (151), ThinkBig (294)

ThinkBig (1):

rb (66)

TwoFace (1):

hapahauli (95)

Not Voting (3):

horrordude0215, I Am Innocent, Something_Smart (277)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 deadline is Monday, April 10th 2017, 6:00PM PST or in (expired on 2017-04-10 18:00:00).

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[Boonskiies]

@Eager - what do you think of rb now?

[eagerSnake]

About the same as you

[ThinkBig]

because I go into every game and try to outguess the mod before the game starts.

do you think Smart is scum trying to coast on a Day 1 miller claim? What would you have preferred he do as a miller?

but how do you know he's miller?

Neither Boonskiies nor I ever said that we

know

he is a miller. I said I believed his claim. That's a world of difference.

[eagerSnake]

Still see nothing that explains why tb thinks he's so scummy

[rb]

So clarify the following for me:
- why did your meta with Blackvoid/homesite meta not get mentioned on page 1?

Does it really have to? It's page fucking 1 during RVS. Do I really need to type up a Ph.D. dissertation as to why I believe Something_smart's page 1 miller claim?

TIL that typing "I have meta on Blackvoid" is an acceptable submission for my Ph.D. dissertation.

makes my life so much easier actually, thought i was going to have to write a thesis of something

and as a counterpoint - are you not also expecting an unreasonable level of justification as to why I

wouldn't

believe the miller claim then? Why the double standards?

[Boonskiies]

I'm pretty sure he's actually a miller.

[rb]

because I go into every game and try to outguess the mod before the game starts.

do you think Smart is scum trying to coast on a Day 1 miller claim? What would you have preferred he do as a miller?

but how do you know he's miller?

Neither Boonskiies nor I ever said that we

know

he is a miller. I said I believed his claim. That's a world of difference.

Why are Boonskiies and yourself defending and answering for one another?

On that note, can you please do something else as well eagerSnake?

[Boonskiies]

Still see nothing that explains why tb thinks he's so scummy

I agree with that sentiment, but take TB out of the equation. I understand where they are both coming from, but like I said...they both have deadend cases.

[eagerSnake]

I don't think he is a miller

[rb]

nvm, someone asked you what you thought of me - thought you were just randomly repeating that you thought I wasn't scum.

[rb]

I don't think he is a miller

How come?

[eagerSnake]

Because I don't see miller with watcher and backup watcher

[Something_Smart]

Because I don't see miller with watcher and backup watcher

we've been over this before

[eagerSnake]

Cool. I'm not easily swayed.

[Something_Smart]

I think that translates to "I don't like to be right."

[eagerSnake]

Also that was beetlejuicey

[rb]

Still see nothing that explains why tb thinks he's so scummy

I agree with that sentiment, but take TB out of the equation. I understand where they are both coming from, but like I said...they both have deadend cases.

Which part is a deadend?

Obviously, you don't understand what I'm pointing out in that case. If you think that the important point here is about whether or not TB believes he's a miller, then you're wrong. It's completely irrelevant to me whether someone's conclusion is that SS is a miller or not a miller.

What's very relevant is that when aronagrundy said, "I believe the miller claim" - it seems to me that the very first town reaction would be, "why do you believe the miller claim?" - even if I had good reasons myself to believe it, I'd want to know why arona believed it, and to see if they could give a good reason because if we don't question why people think certain things, and simply scum or townread people on the basis of whether they agree with us or not...well that's some pretty shitty mafia playing right there.

TB's lack of apparent town curiosity, and seeming lack of ability to understand that this is the relevant point being made (not whether or not he simply believes the claim or not) is what should raise red flags for a town player in the early game.

[ThinkBig]

Because I don't see miller with watcher and backup watcher

This makes no sense at all. A miller doesn't visit anyone, so why wouldn't a miller go with a cop+watcher+backup watcher?

So far we have:

Something_smart (miller)
EagerSnake (backup watcher)
Unknown player (watcher)
Transcend (some sort of investigative role)

I'm pretty confident one of these is scum.

[Something_Smart]

Also that was beetlejuicey

I want a straight answer from you and I'm not getting one.

Like, seriously. I'm pointing out a flaw in your reasoning and your response is "I'm not easily swayed"? It actually makes me feel like you're not interested in finding out the truth.

[eagerSnake]

Yeah
It's the "miller" that's the scum

[rb]

UNVOTE: Transcend
VOTE: rb

back to transcend please.

ur also slow, we aren't lynching transcend

[eagerSnake]

Also that was beetlejuicey

I want a straight answer from you and I'm not getting one.

Like, seriously. I'm pointing out a flaw in your reasoning and your response is "I'm not easily swayed"? It actually makes me feel like you're not interested in finding out the truth.

Straight answer to what exactly

[rb]

Because I don't see miller with watcher and backup watcher

This makes no sense at all. A miller doesn't visit anyone, so why wouldn't a miller go with a cop+watcher+backup watcher?

So far we have:

Something_smart (miller)
EagerSnake (backup watcher)
Unknown player (watcher)
Transcend (some sort of investigative role)

I'm pretty confident one of these is scum.

it's more to do with: what's the point of a miller if there's a Watcher? Normally a miller would be paired with a cop, but we don't necessarily have a cop yet. Miller could also be a fake flag, and maybe there's not a cop or an investigative, but it looks like there IS an investigative and it's a Watcher - so why a miller?

[eagerSnake]

You asked me why exactly I don't believe the claim

I told you all my reasoning was in the thread already

This was on like my 6th post or something