Mini Normal 1897: Chocolate Mafia - Game Over

[BlackVoid]

Vote Count 1.09

Transcend (3):

Darkshadow64540 (67), TwoFace (84), Boonskiies (285)

Something_Smart (3):

Eddie Cane (92), eagerSnake (235), Transcend (261)

rb (2):

aronagrundy (151), ThinkBig (294)

ThinkBig (1):

rb (66)

TwoFace (1):

hapahauli (95)

Not Voting (3):

horrordude0215, I Am Innocent, Something_Smart (277)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 deadline is Monday, April 10th 2017, 6:00PM PST or in (expired on 2017-04-10 18:00:00).

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[Something_Smart]

your reasoning clearly relies on the assumption that miller + backup watcher implies full cop + full watcher when it doesn't.

[rb]

Also: for any town players who choose to believe the miller claim right now, if you're willing to let the miller claim live into LyLo, pls replace out so I don't have to lose IQ points correcting you

[Something_Smart]

And if your argument is that any sort of cop combined with any sort of watcher and a backup watcher is too overpowered (without having any clue what the scum power is) then I don't know what to say to you.

[Boonskiies]

@Rb - there's basically been a confirmed 3 investigative roles in this game, and I'm pretty sure there are more. are you even reading the thread?

[rb]

TB - post 48 isn't an explanation of why you scumread me.

Provide reasons, thanks.

[rb]

@Rb - there's basically been a confirmed 3 investigative roles in this game, and I'm pretty sure there are more. are you even reading the thread?

But I thought you thought Transcend was scum? So how would he be 'basically confirmed investigative' in your eyes?

[rb]

We have a backup watcher, which means there's probably a watcher. Then the other one is probably Transcend - who you've been saying is likely to be scum, but if you think he's scum, how come you think there's 3 'basically confirmed' investigative roles? That doesn't make sense? It should still be 2 in your eyes if you thought Transcend was probably scum.

[Boonskiies]

I didn't say they were town aligned. I've stated my thoughts on there being scum investigative roles.

[rb]

So how would a town miller be more likely to be true based on Transcend being a scum investigative role?

[eagerSnake]

My reasoning is setup/role related, we disagree about it, and youre trying to paint me as scum for not just making up reasonings at this point

[Boonskiies]

So how would a town miller be more likely to be true based on Transcend being a scum investigative role?

well, at this point, I'm pretty sure he's a mafia watcher, despite whatever he is going to claim.

[Something_Smart]

I'm not trying to paint you as scum, I just have a hard time seeing your reasoning as coming from town.

[rb]

Miller is anti-town utility, which is completely unrelated to Watcher (it gives nothing to a Watcher) - so if we know there's a Watcher, and then you think Transcend is scum utility - there's still no investigative role that hints at being relevant to there being a Miller. Essentially you're trusting that such a thing would exist, or perhaps that the existence of a Miller is a 'fuck you' to the players to go looking for a cop and make them setup spec a lot. But the information and reasoning you're giving about why you believe the claim, isn't saying any of those things. Why?

[rb]

I'm not trying to paint you as scum, I just have a hard time seeing your reasoning as coming from town.

Why? Because you disagree?

[rb]

So how would a town miller be more likely to be true based on Transcend being a scum investigative role?

well, at this point, I'm pretty sure he's a mafia watcher, despite whatever he is going to claim.

Why?

[eagerSnake]

I mean it's not invalid as a backup watcher to disbelieve a miller claim in a 10v3 normal.

[rb]

aronagrundy: explain why I'm your top scumread, thanks

[Something_Smart]

I'm not trying to paint you as scum, I just have a hard time seeing your reasoning as coming from town.

Why? Because you disagree?

This was to eager, and obviously I disagree with his reasoning. I could see backup watcher and miller together with a limited watcher and/or a limited cop, or possibly a watcher and no cop at all (but a rolecop or another town role that could interact with me).

I mean it's not invalid as a backup watcher to disbelieve a miller claim in a 10v3 normal.

It's not invalid to disbelieve it, no. But even if you don't believe the claim, you don't lynch it D1 unless you REALLY don't believe it, and your reasoning for that is faulty (and intentionally obstinate, might I add).

[rb]

TB's statement seems that he more is just appearing to believe because someone else said they did, when I would have expected him to first ask why the first person believed so I'm asking him why he didn't

That's stupid

also getting around to TF: why's that stupid? a lack of interest in other people's motives and reasoning, with an attitude more focused on people's end conclusions, is how scum play - because people are more likely to think someone is town when they share conclusions than if they don't.

[Boonskiies]

FoS: rb

blatant role phishing. We were speculating. You are phishing.

[rb]

Also did someone say I OMGUS'd ThinkBig even though I clearly voted him WAYYYY back on page 1? The OMGUS vote is by TB, not me.

Noobs

[eagerSnake]

I mean it's not invalid as a backup watcher to disbelieve a miller claim in a 10v3 normal.

It's not invalid to disbelieve it, no. But even if you don't believe the claim, you don't lynch it D1 unless you REALLY don't believe it, and your reasoning for that is faulty (and intentionally obstinate, might I add).

Why don't you lynch it D1 exactly? What is the utility in keeping it alive even if you disbelieve it?

[rb]

FoS: rb

blatant role phishing. We were speculating. You are phishing.

if you're town please replace out, I'd like to not lose IQ points having to try and cooperate with you

[Boonskiies]

I've seen miller used in f2f as basically a named townie with WIFOM elements.