Alisae:
Why did you ask this question? Normally I'm not one for rolefishing accusations because I think they're dumb as hell, but I can't really see why you would ask this as town.
In post 99, Alisae wrote:I don't really care about the ball mechanics.
I don't see why everyone else is tbh.
I liked his approach to the dragonballs here; as an example for taking an unsafe position in a mechanics, Alisae shrugged and brushed off the entire conversation at a time when it was something that people were talking about quite a bit early game.
Alisae's first attempt at scumhunting is voting Almost for
this post. The impetus behind the initial push is that Almost is attacking ABR for a post that isn't really indicative of alignment (which is a fine point in and of itself). He moves to question Almost's early townreads, gets
this as a response, then ends up backing off.
Alisae, why did you back off at that post (did you find the answer satisfactory)? Why not press him to answer for the post you voted him for in the first place?
I like his short-lived post on Socrates; it feels genuine in that he jumps on something and then immediately jumps off and I can see the thought process behind it easily enough (he thought Socrates was making a reachy attack, then realizes he probably dismissed it too quickly). Right now there's a common thread of attacking people for making reachy attacks in general (happens with Almost later, happens with Tywin), which makes sense with his early approach; he's hanging back and analyzing things more than making things happen, and I like how he's willing to push and let go of the push pretty quickly (and not on very much) because it makes it less likely that he's looking for weak points to push and more trying to figure out.
Noting
150 as another point where Alisae attacks Almost but doesn't seem to follow through.
In post 218, Alisae wrote:I now just came to the realization that my early scumread on Socrates was stupid and I now like every one of his posts and is therefore my top TR now.
Could you go into this read a little more in depth?
I know that your initial approach was to dislike his scumread on Not Chara but I thought you ended up dismissing that pretty much immediately after you started pushing it; this implies that your scumread held on a bit longer than that. What posts did you like that you didn't like before? What were you scumreading him for here if it wasn't his initial Not Chara push? Why did you vote Not Chara if it wasn't for Socrates's post?
In post 307, Alisae wrote:I really would like to see more tbh.
We have the Shaz head saying Zef is scum for hypocrisy but doesn't vote them (Meh scumtell at best).
Saying they get SR'd real hard looks LAMIST.
Shaz doesn't really comment on anything else that's going on in the gamestate.
Don't really get how they said Zef dropped a scumtell to Zef being town but ok.
I would really like Shaz to talk more about Maria.
Shaz can you talk more about Maria?
So I really don't have a good grasp on it? Like, I would sorta like to see them post more if anything. Does that make sense?
This is a meh post in general.
Shaziro never said that zefiend was scum for hypocrisy (he simply answered zefiend's weird public poll question), I've already talked about my problem with the LAMIST reasoning and the zefiend confusion at the end would have been solved if he read Shaziro's first post a little more closely. Him not adding anything significant to the gamestate is kind of a given, and him talking more about the person he naked voting after being completely silent up to that point also seems like an obvious question to ask.
What bothers me more than this post, though, is Alisae's eventual reasons for voting Clumsy - his
312 implied that he wanted to have a conversation with them before voting for them, but after he figured out he was wrong with half of his case and Shaziro had a reason for voting Maria that he didn't like, Alisae decided that there wasn't really a chance that he was town anymore and voted him. Alisae, why was Shaziro being unaware of Maria's meta a reason to vote him and stop talking with him?
I liked
this post, though; while it's not something I feel strongly about, I do feel like scum players have a tendency to play up their contributions instead of acknowledging their mistakes when they make them (I have been scumhunting a BUNCH! My reasons for suspecting player X were rock solid! etc).
And, as with most things, I find that Tammy got to questioning on something that bothered me before I did, and so here's Alisae's response to his Clumsy vote:
In post 521, Alisae wrote:I don't think Maria posted anything that seems AI, and claiming that they were defensive seems ehhhhhhh I didn't really like the arguement and thought it was bad.
Also I hate the first part of the question, it seems really manipulative to me.
You've pressed a lot of players for attacking others for reasons that aren't alignment indicative without voting them (in particular, Almost's attack on Vifam). I agree the assertion that MariaR was "defensive scum" there is pretty ridiculous considering she wasn't even responding to an attack on her. I don't understand why you hate the first part of the question or even what question you're talking about.
At first blush, I agree with Alisae's take on Tywin versus Majiffy (although I think Tywin looks much townier from that than Majiffy does).
What I don't understand is this take here:
In post 630, Alisae wrote:Actually no, this isn't a TvT.
I don't believe that Tywin forgot that the clums hydra is scum.
With Majiffy they were like "Welp, 1 scum caught D1" and that's great an all but did Tywin suddenly forget about the Clums hydra? Because it doesn't read genuine to me?
Alisae's first thought on Tywin vs Majiffy was because they were both town, but as soon as Tywin goes "I caught 1 scum D1" instead of "I caught 2 scum D1" Alisae flips from townread to full scumread, which doesn't exactly make sense to me. The frustration over the chainsaw accusation isn't frustration than I can understand too well;
this was the post detailing how unreasonable he thought that the chainsawing accusation was, but chainsawing is attacking your scumpartner's attacker, so Tywin thinking Alisae might be scum defending his #1 scumread isn't exactly the most insane thing anyone's ever said (or anywhere close to it).
Alisae backing off makes about as much sense as the initial attack: Alisae, could you talk me though your Tywin read in full? How did you go from town to scum to town again to trending scum again immediately after?
In post 775, Alisae wrote:Tywin, you going back and forth on your read on me is hilarious just FYI.
Can you also explain this? I feel like you should be able to understand where he's coming from pretty well when you're going back on forth on your read on him quite frequently yourself.
